EPTtasteless vs jahovas wittness - Page 2
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TheFlashyOne
Canada450 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 30 2009 18:52 Fen wrote: Ive debated this with very well educated christians. While in most situations they think act logically and rationally as soon as religion is debated, their arguments become terrible. Religion is a way for humans to cope with death. Some people just cant handle that when the die they will cease to exist. Religion gives them the comfort of knowing that when they die they continue living. The rest of religion is just fluff and just serves to re-enforce the persons beliefs. Ask ANY christian, and they will say they are going to heaven. However how many christians also have sex before marriage, work on the sabbath etc.? The rest of religion is just there to re-enforce belief with arbitary rules. christians working on sabbath? why not?  | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On January 30 2009 19:03 freelander wrote: christians working on sabbath? why not? Even if what you say about religion is true, any well educated person, christian or not, will tell you that since you cannot prove or disprove (I'm talking in a scientific manner) the existence of a God and etc. religion is just what it is, and belief in divinity resumes to personal choice. A true christian doesn't know he'll be going to heaven, he lives his life with that hope. It's all a matter of choice really. Though I admit most Christians are self-deluding sheeple | ||
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minus_human
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
he did a c-walk then was like ....I AM THE FUCKING DEVIL with a crazy look in his eyes then the jahovas witness turned around quickly walked down the stairs | ||
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AdemTheDestroyer
Australia47 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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spetial
United States688 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On January 30 2009 18:52 Fen wrote: Ive debated this with very well educated christians. While in most situations they think act logically and rationally as soon as religion is debated, their arguments become terrible. Religion is a way for humans to cope with death. Some people just cant handle that when the die they will cease to exist. Religion gives them the comfort of knowing that when they die they continue living. The rest of religion is just fluff and just serves to re-enforce the persons beliefs. Ask ANY christian, and they will say they are going to heaven. However how many christians also have sex before marriage, work on the sabbath etc.? The rest of religion is just there to re-enforce belief with arbitary rules. religion is a way of having a population police itself where enforcement by government is impracticle or unworkable. religious laws and rules are also created in opposition to human nature so people will always feel indebted to the religion. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On January 30 2009 19:34 Rekrul wrote: one time a jahovas witness came to our door in korea long ago when i lived with joel he did a c-walk then was like ....I AM THE FUCKING DEVIL with a crazy look in his eyes then the jahovas witness turned around quickly walked down the stairs 1. wear a slayer shirt 2. put something heavy on 3. show him who darwin is 4. explain that by jehovas beilives there is only room for like 40,000 of them in the sky, and there are about 5 milion of them in the USA and Canada. | ||
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ishob
Norway143 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
for those who ask why i bother with this, i have every right to do so (along with freetime) + he's coming knocking on my door trying to preach something to me, attempting to impose his believes on me. i have every right to enter us into discourse. i did debate in college and i enjoy this kinda stuff. i already made some logical points that he had no way to refute and had to go back and ask his superiors. stuff like: A) If god created the universe where did god come from? if god has been around forever it seems more logical to claim that the cosmic soup of the universe has been around forever--at least we have evidence for that. you basically get in a loop hole when you try to point to a creator because you need to ask yourself where that creator came from. B) He made some argument about how the world likes a machine and machines require a creator. i used Wittgensteining logic and explained that he was simply using language to define the world as machine like; calling the world a machine is just a metaphore for the world, not a definition and therefore not a sound argument. C) I pointed out that athiests can be good people and bad people just like the religious can be good and bad. With that being said it seems like religion isn't necessary for morality to exist. infact it should be more impressive for someone to make a moral act without the accountability than someone to make a moral act because he knows he's being watched and possibly punished if not done so. D) going into that last point he said that i may be right but that God had a plan for me. he pointed to his book and said he gave us all this information. i pointed out that it was only one book and that's hardly a lot of information when you consider how many books have been written, just goto your library and you'll how many more books you need to have a solid compass to guide yourself. also do not derail the blog into a religion vs atheism/agnosticism thread, this is to help me gather useful info to refute this guy who, by the way, is a really nice guy. if you're wondering why i do this stuff it's because i only became an agnostic then athiest by people challenging my beliefs. i feel a lot better off now without the whool being pulled over my eyes and if this person has the balls to go around doing this stuff the least i can do is give him some logical feedback. | ||
RaGe
Belgium9953 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On January 30 2009 18:03 benjammin wrote: i think you should change the blog title to: a pebble vs an ocean isn't apathy one of the stages of being an atheist? no that's an agnostic the atheist at least opts to chose a side. | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On January 30 2009 18:37 freelander wrote: well you can use these arguments, like explaining evolution and such against these kind of guys who are radicals. Like the jehova guys. I think, the biggest part of christianity in the US is kinda radical. And imo you are used to this kind of religion (though I am just assuming) Lot of the American neoprotestant minichurches are radicals in the sense of taking the Bible word by word. I find it ridiculous that in a lot of states of US, that creationism is included in the education.. this is utterly stupid and shows something. If you get in a debate with a welleducated, non-radical christian person, I wonder if you could save your stance well apparently your not well educated yourself because the only state that teaches evolution is Kansas. there arn't tons of states doing this and right now one of the biggest movements in Kansas is to get this law reversed. by the way i'm in KOREA right now so there's no need to bash on american religions (even if they deserve it). | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On January 30 2009 19:00 TheFlashyOne wrote: its really really really strange to be a real Atheist. at least be an agnostic. To me it is stranger to devote your life to one religion knowing that throughout history there have been thousands of other religions, denominations, cults that people have complete faith in. And while there may be thousands or millions of people throughout history that have held the same beliefs as you, far more have had faith in another religion or are not religious. Yet somehow, YOUR religion, that for most people is just a religion they were born into and know little if anything about what other religions believe, is the right religion. I don't feel the need to find contradictions or things that just don't add up in the bible when I explain why I am an atheist. It's hard for me to comprehend how anybody who has given faith and religion any thought can be so ignorant as to think that they know the one that is true. I don't try to tear apart a persons religion I simply explain why I would never choose one. How could anybody honestly feel that a just god would only give salvation for eternity to those who were born in the right place in the universe and at a time. Missionaries may serve this purpose of spreading the word of a religion throughout the world so that more can be saved, but I can see no reason that people born in Africa, China, or the jungles of the amazon should ever feel the need to give up what makes the different cultures of the world so great because they fear eternal damnation. Most christians feel that their missionary work is so good and important, but I would that this is probably what infuriates me the most about religion. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
put him on msn ill talk to him | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
Like some of my cousins and the others that are apart of their church honestly believe and have told other people in my family that if they are not baptized that they will go to hell. While if they do miraculously know the true word of god and they are right, then what they are doing is admirable, however the chances of their word of god being right, considering there is a god is tiny. So they are most likely just assholes. | ||
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