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MyLostTemple
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On February 02 2009 04:37 koreasilver wrote: Belief in creationism is not required to believe in a god, and so I have no idea why you think that not believing in creationism automatically makes you an atheist. Not believing in creationism does not make you not believe in a god. You are also narrowing the definition of "atheist" to a standard that you believe should be the definition of "atheist" and so you are distorting the argument. A religious individual may simply counter that by saying that "I'll exclude all those except 'true believers' for my standard of 'religious'". Using Dawkin's ideals as an argument is flawed as one person's view does not constitute as the absolute truth nor do they reflect the sentimentality of all of his colleagues. Your arguments are fallacious. creationism comes from the word create which requires a creator. so you have to believe in a god if you believe in creationism. | ||
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MyLostTemple
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koreasilver
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On February 02 2009 09:48 MyLostTemple wrote: creationism comes from the word create which requires a creator. so you have to believe in a god if you believe in creationism. You need to believe in a god to believe in creationism. You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. A square is a rectangle, but that does not mean that all rectangles are squares. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On February 02 2009 10:34 koreasilver wrote: You need to believe in a god to believe in creationism. You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. A square is a rectangle, but that does not mean that all rectangles are squares. "You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. " are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences. But in the same time these people believe in god disregarding same very logic that they use to derive their disbelief in creationism? | ||
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rei
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"You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. " Are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences, but in the same time these people believe in god disregarding the need to use logic and empirical evidences to prove this god exist? | ||
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EtherealDeath
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On February 02 2009 10:53 rei wrote: "You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. " are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences. But in the same time these people believe in god disregarding same very logic that they use to derive their disbelief in creationism? obv we were made by an alien species who themselves arose by evolution. duh. + Show Spoiler + /wrists But anyways, other than that, idk what creationists would believe in if not a god. | ||
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nofAcedAgent
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koreasilver
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On February 24 2009 03:17 EtherealDeath wrote: obv we were made by an alien species who themselves arose by evolution. duh. + Show Spoiler + /wrists But anyways, other than that, idk what creationists would believe in if not a god. You misread it. Of course creationists will believe in a god. | ||
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daz
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MamiyaOtaru
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On February 02 2009 09:48 MyLostTemple wrote: creationism comes from the word create which requires a creator. so you have to believe in a god if you believe in creationism. Creationism is commonly taken to mean a belief that the earth was created 7000 years ago over the course of 6 days. It's very possible to be religious and not believe that. Now if you want to argue semantics, sure, go there  | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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AtlaS
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On January 30 2009 21:58 IdrA wrote: i think what he meant was that since its impossible to actually disprove that god exists theres still a leap of faith to be an atheist (to say that god absolutely does not exist) and so its more logical to be an agnostic. the mistake alot of people make is thinking that being agnostic means you think its 50/50 whether god exists or not. you can think the chances of god existing are the same as the spaghetti monster and everything else, still agnostic because you're not absolutely sure he doesnt. Well said. I was raised Catholic, then went through the whole Atheism phase in high school where I was constantly trying to find "truth", and now I guess I'm a "lenient" Catholic. only reason i keep the catholic faith is because I am very patriotic and being polish and catholic goes hand in hand (at least it used to be like that, i don't know how it is with this generation) I feel like since it's impossible to ever find out this "truth" that I was looking for, I've resorted to a much simpler outlook on life. Good people go to a better place. I feel like if I lead a good life where I made an overall positive impact on this earth, then that's enough for me. And honestly, it's not for the whole heaven or hell thing for me that drives me. In the end, that won't matter 'cause we'll never know if they exist 100% certain, so might as well enjoy my life here and not be so occupied with what's ahead. And I don't find "enjoying life" to be a life where I use women, do hard drugs, and overall leave a bad impact on this place. I feel sorry for people like Richard Dawlkens (sp?) who spends so many hours in writing books for the sole purpose to try to direct people away from god. I also feel bad for people like Jehovah's Witnesses who don't do anything meaningful with their lives and all they do is go door to door and try to convert random people. The people I don't feel sorry for are the priests or rabbis or atheists that go on mission trips to third world countries and try to help people that are less fortunate. They are the ones whose first intent is to make a better place for us all. Even people who just live a day to day life, trying to provide a bright future for their families and loved ones; those are the people whom I respect. simple as that, i'm happy and it works for me edit:tl;dr In the end, it doesn't matter what religion you are or even if you believe in god, as long as you are a good person and leave this world a little better off than before. that's all that counts. 2nd Edit: Tasteless- Good luck in gom season 3! Season 2 was some awesome commentating. Can't wait til sunday at 4am  | ||
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Wotans_Fire
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a-game
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it's still unexplained as to how life basically existed a nanosecond after the earth itself was created. especially considering bacteria are complex enough that you'd think life would require a bit more runway to evolve to that stage than a few hundred million years. that in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean life was created instantly, from what i've read it seems like the most likely theory is that earth's original bacteria got here from asteroids/comets etc. which still poses the question of where the asteroids got their life from, but yeah. if anyone wants to correct/debate points i said here feel free to edit: for the record, i'm not religious | ||
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Physician
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On March 28 2009 09:02 Wotans_Fire wrote: Here you go: Atheism is {the pic he posted} Let me put you on the spot Wotans_Fire. Do you agree with that definition of Atheism you posted? | ||
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