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architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
February 02 2009 00:22 GMT
#201
don't waste time teaching special ed kids about integrals.
tpfkan
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 00:52:32
February 02 2009 00:48 GMT
#202
On February 02 2009 04:37 koreasilver wrote:
Belief in creationism is not required to believe in a god, and so I have no idea why you think that not believing in creationism automatically makes you an atheist. Not believing in creationism does not make you not believe in a god.

You are also narrowing the definition of "atheist" to a standard that you believe should be the definition of "atheist" and so you are distorting the argument. A religious individual may simply counter that by saying that "I'll exclude all those except 'true believers' for my standard of 'religious'".

Using Dawkin's ideals as an argument is flawed as one person's view does not constitute as the absolute truth nor do they reflect the sentimentality of all of his colleagues.

Your arguments are fallacious.


creationism comes from the word create which requires a creator. so you have to believe in a god if you believe in creationism.
Follow me on twitter: CallMeTasteless
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
February 02 2009 00:54 GMT
#203
anyways this thread is getting heavily derailed. like i said before, if you guys want me to make another post in the general section surrounded by another atheist scholar just let me know; because right now this topic has very little to do with arguing against Jehovah witnesses and.
Follow me on twitter: CallMeTasteless
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 01:35:29
February 02 2009 01:34 GMT
#204
On February 02 2009 09:48 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2009 04:37 koreasilver wrote:
Belief in creationism is not required to believe in a god, and so I have no idea why you think that not believing in creationism automatically makes you an atheist. Not believing in creationism does not make you not believe in a god.

You are also narrowing the definition of "atheist" to a standard that you believe should be the definition of "atheist" and so you are distorting the argument. A religious individual may simply counter that by saying that "I'll exclude all those except 'true believers' for my standard of 'religious'".

Using Dawkin's ideals as an argument is flawed as one person's view does not constitute as the absolute truth nor do they reflect the sentimentality of all of his colleagues.

Your arguments are fallacious.


creationism comes from the word create which requires a creator. so you have to believe in a god if you believe in creationism.

You need to believe in a god to believe in creationism.

You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god.

A square is a rectangle, but that does not mean that all rectangles are squares.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 01:55:00
February 02 2009 01:53 GMT
#205
On February 02 2009 10:34 koreasilver wrote:

You need to believe in a god to believe in creationism.

You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god.

A square is a rectangle, but that does not mean that all rectangles are squares.


"You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. "
are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences. But in the same time these people believe in god disregarding same very logic that they use to derive their disbelief in creationism?


GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 02:28:56
February 02 2009 02:28 GMT
#206
Creationism has been disproven by evidence. God has not been.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 21:05:43
February 02 2009 21:03 GMT
#207
@Jibba thanks, here is the new question then
"You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. "
Are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences, but in the same time these people believe in god disregarding the need to use logic and empirical evidences to prove this god exist?

GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 21:10:49
February 02 2009 21:09 GMT
#208
Yes. The first is a negative proof, the second is a lack of proof, so they base it on personal sensation. You know what it feels like to get a boner and you don't need visual evidence each time. They claim to have sensory evidence.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
mmgoose
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
769 Posts
February 23 2009 18:13 GMT
#209
embrace the noodly appendage my son; spend your time with a lovely korean wench and grog which i believe they call 'soju'.
And you know if a grandmother had a penis she would be a grandfather.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 18:18:16
February 23 2009 18:17 GMT
#210
On February 02 2009 10:53 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2009 10:34 koreasilver wrote:

You need to believe in a god to believe in creationism.

You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god.

A square is a rectangle, but that does not mean that all rectangles are squares.


"You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. "
are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences. But in the same time these people believe in god disregarding same very logic that they use to derive their disbelief in creationism?




obv we were made by an alien species who themselves arose by evolution. duh.


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/wrists
But anyways, other than that, idk what creationists would believe in if not a god.
nofAcedAgent
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States952 Posts
February 23 2009 20:32 GMT
#211
" i had been tricked into making an appointment with someone who is planning on saving my soul. Crap."

aha fucking gold
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 23 2009 21:07 GMT
#212
On February 24 2009 03:17 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2009 10:53 rei wrote:
On February 02 2009 10:34 koreasilver wrote:

You need to believe in a god to believe in creationism.

You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god.

A square is a rectangle, but that does not mean that all rectangles are squares.


"You don't need to believe in creationism to believe in a god. "
are you referring to people who don't believe in creationism because of logic and empirical evidences. But in the same time these people believe in god disregarding same very logic that they use to derive their disbelief in creationism?




obv we were made by an alien species who themselves arose by evolution. duh.


+ Show Spoiler +
/wrists
But anyways, other than that, idk what creationists would believe in if not a god.

You misread it. Of course creationists will believe in a god.
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
February 23 2009 23:05 GMT
#213
good luck dude i hope you shatter his faith
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
SteveStyle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States27 Posts
March 02 2009 21:40 GMT
#214
Hey Tasteless it's been a while since you first talked to the Jehovahs Witness, have you had any new conversations with him recently?
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 03 2009 01:06 GMT
#215
On February 02 2009 09:48 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2009 04:37 koreasilver wrote:
Belief in creationism is not required to believe in a god, and so I have no idea why you think that not believing in creationism automatically makes you an atheist. Not believing in creationism does not make you not believe in a god.

You are also narrowing the definition of "atheist" to a standard that you believe should be the definition of "atheist" and so you are distorting the argument. A religious individual may simply counter that by saying that "I'll exclude all those except 'true believers' for my standard of 'religious'".

Using Dawkin's ideals as an argument is flawed as one person's view does not constitute as the absolute truth nor do they reflect the sentimentality of all of his colleagues.

Your arguments are fallacious.


creationism comes from the word create which requires a creator. so you have to believe in a god if you believe in creationism.

Creationism is commonly taken to mean a belief that the earth was created 7000 years ago over the course of 6 days. It's very possible to be religious and not believe that. Now if you want to argue semantics, sure, go there
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 03 2009 02:51 GMT
#216
You can think our universe was created by alien life forms or even human jackasses with futuristic-higher technology but not think those aliens / people are particularly god-like. In a sense, everyone that believes in the conservation of energy / mass is a creationist because they think that every status quo that has existed has been influenced in someway by a previous moment (and time may also be cyclical).
AtlaS
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 23:57:49
March 27 2009 23:18 GMT
#217
On January 30 2009 21:58 IdrA wrote:
i think what he meant was that since its impossible to actually disprove that god exists theres still a leap of faith to be an atheist (to say that god absolutely does not exist) and so its more logical to be an agnostic. the mistake alot of people make is thinking that being agnostic means you think its 50/50 whether god exists or not. you can think the chances of god existing are the same as the spaghetti monster and everything else, still agnostic because you're not absolutely sure he doesnt.


Well said.

I was raised Catholic, then went through the whole Atheism phase in high school where I was constantly trying to find "truth", and now I guess I'm a "lenient" Catholic. only reason i keep the catholic faith is because I am very patriotic and being polish and catholic goes hand in hand (at least it used to be like that, i don't know how it is with this generation) I feel like since it's impossible to ever find out this "truth" that I was looking for, I've resorted to a much simpler outlook on life. Good people go to a better place. I feel like if I lead a good life where I made an overall positive impact on this earth, then that's enough for me. And honestly, it's not for the whole heaven or hell thing for me that drives me. In the end, that won't matter 'cause we'll never know if they exist 100% certain, so might as well enjoy my life here and not be so occupied with what's ahead. And I don't find "enjoying life" to be a life where I use women, do hard drugs, and overall leave a bad impact on this place. I feel sorry for people like Richard Dawlkens (sp?) who spends so many hours in writing books for the sole purpose to try to direct people away from god. I also feel bad for people like Jehovah's Witnesses who don't do anything meaningful with their lives and all they do is go door to door and try to convert random people. The people I don't feel sorry for are the priests or rabbis or atheists that go on mission trips to third world countries and try to help people that are less fortunate. They are the ones whose first intent is to make a better place for us all. Even people who just live a day to day life, trying to provide a bright future for their families and loved ones; those are the people whom I respect.

simple as that, i'm happy and it works for me

edit:tl;dr In the end, it doesn't matter what religion you are or even if you believe in god, as long as you are a good person and leave this world a little better off than before. that's all that counts.

2nd Edit: Tasteless- Good luck in gom season 3! Season 2 was some awesome commentating. Can't wait til sunday at 4am
I don't have mono anymore. Woooo!
Wotans_Fire
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom294 Posts
March 28 2009 00:02 GMT
#218
Here you go:

[image loading]
"OMG this is pivotal!" ~ Tasteless "Indeed" ~ Artosis
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-28 02:48:37
March 28 2009 02:47 GMT
#219
i found it pretty interesting when i learned that bacteria already existed a few hundred million years after the earth itself formed.

it's still unexplained as to how life basically existed a nanosecond after the earth itself was created. especially considering bacteria are complex enough that you'd think life would require a bit more runway to evolve to that stage than a few hundred million years.

that in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean life was created instantly, from what i've read it seems like the most likely theory is that earth's original bacteria got here from asteroids/comets etc. which still poses the question of where the asteroids got their life from, but yeah.

if anyone wants to correct/debate points i said here feel free to

edit: for the record, i'm not religious
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-28 04:48:34
March 28 2009 04:46 GMT
#220
On March 28 2009 09:02 Wotans_Fire wrote:
Here you go: Atheism is {the pic he posted}

Let me put you on the spot Wotans_Fire. Do you agree with that definition of Atheism you posted?
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
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