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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 30 2009 15:39 GMT
#81
dennet wont sway a religious person, he goes out of his way to avoid being confrontational in the books ive read
the god delusion would be fine but to be honest no rational arguments are likely to affect someone like that.
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vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
January 30 2009 16:06 GMT
#82
tasteless, I have to find a few articles on this subject for a paper I want to write for my english class. I'll let you know if I find anything interesting.

iirc, wikipedia's article on evolution is actually pretty good, and cites lots of sources.
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 30 2009 16:12 GMT
#83
ahahahhahaha LOL
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ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
January 30 2009 16:13 GMT
#84
On January 30 2009 22:49 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I'll just come out and say it.
Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc.
Your just the other extreme of the religious spectrum.
You still push YOUR beliefs (That there is no god, no afterlife etc) on others.

I just wonder, why even bother?
Who cares if there's a god or not, or if one religion is right or if a million are wrong.
It doesn't effect our day to day life.
We will all figure out the truth on our deathbed.


Hi.
What you are saying about atheists is generally wrong, you are making a gross generalization. First of all, atheists don't go from door to door trying to recruit people like jehovah's witnesses. They just live their life, and, seeing as most atheists are critical thinkers of some sort, they will defend their beliefs and/or pose critical questions about other beliefs.
There are some atheists who find it hard to believe that there is a considerable amount of people who believe in a transcendental entity that has created the universe and is perhaps guiding it, and that there is a life after death, the 'wellness' of which depends on how you live your life. Some of these atheists may make bold and offensive statements to initiate discussion on the matter, because they feel they are completely in the right. Some of these atheists may indeed go to far and attack people for their beliefs.
Most atheists, I hope and do think, accept that one can not be 100% certain that a God of sorts does not exist. However, they realize that it is very improbable, so they dismiss this thesis. These atheists may be called 'atheist agnostics'.
Now, when you're saying that "Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc.", you're not only calling all mormons and jehovah's witnesses 'bad', which is quite an improper statement. Also, you are generalizing all atheists and calling them bad on the basis of the behaviour of a few atheists, which is like calling all muslims bad because you had an unpleasant experience with a few of them.
I think you are also quite wrong in saying that religion does not effect our daily life, but I won't go into that here cause I've already made a long post and my hands are tired and I'm stoned and I feel like doing something else.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
January 30 2009 16:15 GMT
#85
hahaha nice tasteless, keep fightin the good fight
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
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SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 16:23:24
January 30 2009 16:16 GMT
#86
Convince that how everything is controlled by the overmind.

Edit:
I took Religionphilosophy last year. Unless you've gotten enough arguments i could summarize some of the main problems pro and against.

Altough u seem to be ontop of it already, but feel free to P.M me if u need it.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 16:46:12
January 30 2009 16:32 GMT
#87
Arguing with a man like that is a waste of time.
The thought process that goes, "this man clearly hasn't thought closely enough about the logic of the situation", is fatally flawed.

The reality is he can't follow the logic because he doesn't want to. Thinking through a complicated issue like religion requires a scientific mind and the will to think through all the lines of argument.
The issue is large enough that it's easy to become confused or philosophical and ignore the obvious answer. If their perspective on every issue is shifted then the don't see the argument properly.

The basic flaws in religious belief are actually very simple and Dawkins does a great job of outlining them. But you still need to think the ideas through yourself.

I honestly believe the best thing you can do is tell the man he doesn't understand, briefly explain why he is wrong and then that you don't want to continue the argument.
You wouldn't give a psychic or an astrologer this much time, this dude is no different.

All you're really doing is boosting your own ego whilst wasting his and your time.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
January 30 2009 16:48 GMT
#88
Kudos to this guy for being manner enough to actually read something ;P

Sounds like an interesting conversation tbh.
Nak Allstar.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 30 2009 16:51 GMT
#89
on topic tasteless:


http://unreasonablefaith.com

you have here everything you need
I am not good with quotes
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 17:11:42
January 30 2009 17:07 GMT
#90
Maybe you could find this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_resistance article in korean wikipedia ( here ) and then look through references ect and maybe you'll find something interesting. Atleast it's an interesting up to date area in the whole evolution topic and might sway him. I cant read korean at all so I cant dig any deeper.

EDIT: Considering the jehovas that came to my door wanted to talk about Noah's Ark I kinda doubt that anything will work.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 17:21:58
January 30 2009 17:21 GMT
#91
The Noah's Ark "confirmation" by there being floods in other cultures is so fucking stupid.

Ancient civilizations grew around rivers, and rivers tend to flood, thus they all have a fucking flood story, and by virtue of relativity one of those floods happens to be the greatest of them all.
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Mhugues
Profile Joined December 2007
France112 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 17:25:11
January 30 2009 17:22 GMT
#92
Somhow on topic
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=xWqgD7lGneU

This is my usual answer to all those who says that bible carries the ultimate truth


For your problem, I'll join all those who says that arguing is pointless. If he did not agree with you from the begining, he will mostl likely never.
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
January 30 2009 18:02 GMT
#93
On January 30 2009 22:29 Snare wrote:
Tasteless just lost a fan =]


why do people care about a persons religious beliefs? do they have anything to do with starcraft commentary?
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
January 30 2009 18:23 GMT
#94
On January 30 2009 19:50 Eatme wrote:
I think they have me up on "saveable" list since I politely talked to them and accepted their funny magazines. But I wasnt at home last time they shoved up but they did leave a folder explaining that satan is really ruling the world. And no it really says that and backs it up with bible quotes.


seriously, politely talking to them the first couple times made them keep coming back. and I was a minor at the time, they kept coming back to tell a minor what he should believe in. =( messed up on a lot of levels
hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
January 30 2009 18:41 GMT
#95
Anyone who truly believes in god is an idiot

Anyone who truly thinks less of someone for being an atheist is even dumber
TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
January 30 2009 18:43 GMT
#96
On January 30 2009 18:23 PH wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses are very strange from my experiences with them. Don't expect too much.

Just cut contact and give it a rest. If you're completely secure in your beliefs, then what does it matter?

One of my best friends is a Jehovah's Witness and there's nothing strange about him. He's actually very polite and respecting of other people's beliefs. Perhaps the man Tasteless is involved is also very respecting about Nick's beliefs and is just using this as a learning experience as any sensible person might.

What does any debate about anything matter if both sides are secure in their beliefs? We might as well just ignore anyone and everyone who doesn't believe just like we do, then start wars to punish them for thinking differently.
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 19:16:42
January 30 2009 19:01 GMT
#97
On January 30 2009 23:47 MasterOfChaos wrote:
A similar point to your D is asking what reasons suggest that the probability of existance of his god is higher than that of all the other gods known in the world.

Found a nice long version of that argument:
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/01/20/why-is-your-religion-more-valid-than-another
I like it because it is hard to refute it without refuting your own religion. Except when using obvious circular reasoning.

edit: And found my favourite argument against ID too:
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/09/16/the-futility-of-invoking-a-designer/
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Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
January 30 2009 19:08 GMT
#98
Yeah, I'd also just recommend not to waste your time but instead to "suddenly have embraced Pastafarianism" then "preach" to him in pirate regalia.

http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
"Eyes in the sky."
Underwhelmed
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States207 Posts
January 30 2009 19:57 GMT
#99
On January 30 2009 22:49 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I'll just come out and say it.
Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc.
Your just the other extreme of the religious spectrum.
You still push YOUR beliefs (That there is no god, no afterlife etc) on others.

A Jehovah's Witness approaches Tasteless with the intent to convert him
Tasteless stands up for his beliefs in a civilized manner
Peanut gallery makes accusations of extremism on Tasteless' part

What. The. Fuck.
I live in California, and not once have I ever seen an atheist running around trying to convert people, while I get approached by people who apparently think I need salvation multiple times a year. How you think that atheists are just as "extreme" as people who believe anybody who doesn't believe in their religion is going to hell is beyond me.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
January 30 2009 20:37 GMT
#100
On January 31 2009 04:57 Underwhelmed wrote:. How you think that atheists are just as "extreme" as people who believe anybody who doesn't believe in their religion is going to hell is beyond me.


Envy? I can't think of something else.
All (other) atheists I know are friendly, down to earth and rational in their thought process.

Jehovas witness were at my doorstep some day, read some things from the bible, gave me some magazines. I reacted in a sarcastic way like "ooh, thats REALLY interesting". They said they would come again, but I never saw anyone of them again. Would be fun meeting more of them. And guys from scientology, haha :D
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