EPTthe god delusion would be fine but to be honest no rational arguments are likely to affect someone like that.
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
the god delusion would be fine but to be honest no rational arguments are likely to affect someone like that. | ||
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vAltyR
United States581 Posts
iirc, wikipedia's article on evolution is actually pretty good, and cites lots of sources. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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ManBearPig
Belgium207 Posts
On January 30 2009 22:49 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: I'll just come out and say it. Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc. Your just the other extreme of the religious spectrum. You still push YOUR beliefs (That there is no god, no afterlife etc) on others. I just wonder, why even bother? Who cares if there's a god or not, or if one religion is right or if a million are wrong. It doesn't effect our day to day life. We will all figure out the truth on our deathbed. Hi. What you are saying about atheists is generally wrong, you are making a gross generalization. First of all, atheists don't go from door to door trying to recruit people like jehovah's witnesses. They just live their life, and, seeing as most atheists are critical thinkers of some sort, they will defend their beliefs and/or pose critical questions about other beliefs. There are some atheists who find it hard to believe that there is a considerable amount of people who believe in a transcendental entity that has created the universe and is perhaps guiding it, and that there is a life after death, the 'wellness' of which depends on how you live your life. Some of these atheists may make bold and offensive statements to initiate discussion on the matter, because they feel they are completely in the right. Some of these atheists may indeed go to far and attack people for their beliefs. Most atheists, I hope and do think, accept that one can not be 100% certain that a God of sorts does not exist. However, they realize that it is very improbable, so they dismiss this thesis. These atheists may be called 'atheist agnostics'. Now, when you're saying that "Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc.", you're not only calling all mormons and jehovah's witnesses 'bad', which is quite an improper statement. Also, you are generalizing all atheists and calling them bad on the basis of the behaviour of a few atheists, which is like calling all muslims bad because you had an unpleasant experience with a few of them. I think you are also quite wrong in saying that religion does not effect our daily life, but I won't go into that here cause I've already made a long post and my hands are tired and I'm stoned and I feel like doing something else. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Edit: I took Religionphilosophy last year. Unless you've gotten enough arguments i could summarize some of the main problems pro and against. Altough u seem to be ontop of it already, but feel free to P.M me if u need it. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
The thought process that goes, "this man clearly hasn't thought closely enough about the logic of the situation", is fatally flawed. The reality is he can't follow the logic because he doesn't want to. Thinking through a complicated issue like religion requires a scientific mind and the will to think through all the lines of argument. The issue is large enough that it's easy to become confused or philosophical and ignore the obvious answer. If their perspective on every issue is shifted then the don't see the argument properly. The basic flaws in religious belief are actually very simple and Dawkins does a great job of outlining them. But you still need to think the ideas through yourself. I honestly believe the best thing you can do is tell the man he doesn't understand, briefly explain why he is wrong and then that you don't want to continue the argument. You wouldn't give a psychic or an astrologer this much time, this dude is no different. All you're really doing is boosting your own ego whilst wasting his and your time. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Sounds like an interesting conversation tbh. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
http://unreasonablefaith.com you have here everything you need | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
EDIT: Considering the jehovas that came to my door wanted to talk about Noah's Ark I kinda doubt that anything will work. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Ancient civilizations grew around rivers, and rivers tend to flood, thus they all have a fucking flood story, and by virtue of relativity one of those floods happens to be the greatest of them all. | ||
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Mhugues
France112 Posts
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=xWqgD7lGneU This is my usual answer to all those who says that bible carries the ultimate truth  For your problem, I'll join all those who says that arguing is pointless. If he did not agree with you from the begining, he will mostl likely never. | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On January 30 2009 22:29 Snare wrote: Tasteless just lost a fan =] why do people care about a persons religious beliefs? do they have anything to do with starcraft commentary? | ||
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Duke
United States1106 Posts
On January 30 2009 19:50 Eatme wrote: I think they have me up on "saveable" list since I politely talked to them and accepted their funny magazines. But I wasnt at home last time they shoved up but they did leave a folder explaining that satan is really ruling the world. And no it really says that and backs it up with bible quotes. seriously, politely talking to them the first couple times made them keep coming back. and I was a minor at the time, they kept coming back to tell a minor what he should believe in. =( messed up on a lot of levels | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
Anyone who truly thinks less of someone for being an atheist is even dumber | ||
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TaP.Nuada
United States428 Posts
On January 30 2009 18:23 PH wrote: Jehovah's witnesses are very strange from my experiences with them. Don't expect too much. Just cut contact and give it a rest. If you're completely secure in your beliefs, then what does it matter? One of my best friends is a Jehovah's Witness and there's nothing strange about him. He's actually very polite and respecting of other people's beliefs. Perhaps the man Tasteless is involved is also very respecting about Nick's beliefs and is just using this as a learning experience as any sensible person might. What does any debate about anything matter if both sides are secure in their beliefs? We might as well just ignore anyone and everyone who doesn't believe just like we do, then start wars to punish them for thinking differently. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On January 30 2009 23:47 MasterOfChaos wrote: A similar point to your D is asking what reasons suggest that the probability of existance of his god is higher than that of all the other gods known in the world. Found a nice long version of that argument: http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/01/20/why-is-your-religion-more-valid-than-another I like it because it is hard to refute it without refuting your own religion. Except when using obvious circular reasoning. edit: And found my favourite argument against ID too: http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/09/16/the-futility-of-invoking-a-designer/ | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster | ||
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Underwhelmed
United States207 Posts
On January 30 2009 22:49 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: I'll just come out and say it. Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc. Your just the other extreme of the religious spectrum. You still push YOUR beliefs (That there is no god, no afterlife etc) on others. A Jehovah's Witness approaches Tasteless with the intent to convert him Tasteless stands up for his beliefs in a civilized manner Peanut gallery makes accusations of extremism on Tasteless' part What. The. Fuck. I live in California, and not once have I ever seen an atheist running around trying to convert people, while I get approached by people who apparently think I need salvation multiple times a year. How you think that atheists are just as "extreme" as people who believe anybody who doesn't believe in their religion is going to hell is beyond me. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On January 31 2009 04:57 Underwhelmed wrote:. How you think that atheists are just as "extreme" as people who believe anybody who doesn't believe in their religion is going to hell is beyond me. Envy? I can't think of something else. All (other) atheists I know are friendly, down to earth and rational in their thought process. Jehovas witness were at my doorstep some day, read some things from the bible, gave me some magazines. I reacted in a sarcastic way like "ooh, thats REALLY interesting". They said they would come again, but I never saw anyone of them again. Would be fun meeting more of them. And guys from scientology, haha :D | ||
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