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On January 30 2009 22:29 Snare wrote:
Tasteless just lost a fan =]
On January 30 2009 23:26 tdotkrayz wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Tasteless...
Not to say that I don't respect him as a commentator anymore, but I don't respect him as a person the way I used to.
^WTF?!? You dont respect him because he isnt religious, lol O_o. What do his religious believes have to do with how good he is as a person or at his job or at anything for that matter.
On the contrary, actually I gained respect for him for his willingness to enter a debate with a kind of people who stand so firmly to their believes that usually cant be argued with.
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Jehova's Witnesses. Funny stuff. =P
I think that if you believe in a god, there is one, and if you don't, there isn't one. The god just lives in the people's minds anyway, the minds of those who believe. I'd have a lot more to say about religions but sadly I don't think it's the right place for that.
I'll say that I met a danish person who researches what the Jehova's Witnesses do, how they blackmail and threaten people who leave them and how they keep pushing their beliefs to others. Apparently at least in Danmark there had been a lot of that kinds of crimes performed by Jehova's Witnesses, which makes me think of them as a joke. Actually, my grandmother's friend's son was threatened and blackmailed by them, so the Danish person's claims definitely aren't just out of the thin air. As if God, if he existed, would want that. Ridiculous.
However, one of the biggest reasons that this kind of stuff makes no sense is the bible. Some say that bible is God's word although it's written by humans. It's their opinions and how they feel, and there are certain parts where the same things are described differently in different people's views. Also, why would there be more than one major religion if there was only one real "god"? The other people's opinions are wrong? That's just a stupid thing to say. I think that it's the same "god" they all worship, but just different sides of him or different intepretions.
This post is starting to get ridiculously lenghty, so I guess I'll just stop that. I guess I'd describe myself as an agnostic; I like to think of why people would think how they would, what could be and what would not.
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On January 30 2009 23:45 MyLostTemple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 23:26 tdotkrayz wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Tasteless...
Not to say that I don't respect him as a commentator anymore, but I don't respect him as a person the way I used to. "i'd rather be hated for who i am than loved for who i am not" -keith cobain
keith? , kurt?
also how the hell can you lose respect for him as a person, because he has a mind of his own and doesnt mindlessly follow some fantasy?
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change your profile man!
"MyLostTemple United States"
change that to korea, so people know you are in korea. 
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Extremists of any kind are closeminded.
You have to realize that everyone's beliefs are beliefs. Spiritual beliefs do not have to be rational in the scientific sense. There is nothing wrong with religious beliefs in any way until it becomes too extreme and you try to push it into other people; same thing with atheism.
Jehova's witnesses are annoying at times but you have to realize that some of them really do believe that they are doing the right thing. And for individuals with strong beliefs, you can't change the way they think because they're so rooted deep into it. I've heard some absurd arguments from both sides that attempt to validate their own beliefs and/or shut down the opponent's beliefs.
I used to be a Christian for a long time, and I renounced by beliefs only after reading and learning about Christianity and other religions. It takes time; throwing evolution arguments isn't going to do anything because it's such a common and rather trite topic that people often use against Christians and it pretty much doesn't do anything to them because they've composed counter-arguments towards it for fucking years now, regardless of how absurd their arguments may sound to us.
Just don't bother.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On January 30 2009 22:49 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
I'll just come out and say it.
Atheist's are just as bad as mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc.
Your just the other extreme of the religious spectrum.
You still push YOUR beliefs (That there is no god, no afterlife etc) on others.
I just wonder, why even bother?
Who cares if there's a god or not, or if one religion is right or if a million are wrong.
It doesn't effect our day to day life.
We will all figure out the truth on our deathbed.
yeah your totally right! and who gives a fuck if the world is flat or if germs really exist? who cares if a man was born of a virgin or if a cracker turns into the blood and body of another person? why not sit back in our big reclining chair; drunk off ignorance and high off indifference while we spew some overly simplistic excuse that deters from discourse. why not just do that?
If you don't want to challenge/question/investigate your own thoughts, life, and meaning then stay off this blog. read the last four lines of your post and ponder the lethargy of your life philosophy.
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There's also the problem that when a person, for example, really wants to hear the god's voice, he will hear it even if it wouldn't actually happen since he wants to hear it so much he'll intepret it as the god's voice even if it was not. Like if I want to find signs of god in every sound I hear inside my head or in my dreams or whatever, I will find them and I'll intepret them the way that it was the god who said that or whatever. It's always like that with everything; people will always try to intepret everything to help or reinforce their cause.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On January 30 2009 23:53 hugitout wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 23:45 MyLostTemple wrote:On January 30 2009 23:26 tdotkrayz wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Tasteless...
Not to say that I don't respect him as a commentator anymore, but I don't respect him as a person the way I used to. "i'd rather be hated for who i am than loved for who i am not" -keith cobain keith? , kurt? also how the hell can you lose respect for him as a person, because he has a mind of his own and doesnt mindlessly follow some fantasy?
oh fuck lol i spelled it keith instead of kurt! this is what i get for watching "the count down with keith olberman" while posting here hahahah
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On January 30 2009 23:50 TheFlashyOne wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 23:26 damenmofa wrote:
dude ur analogy is a) old and b) weak and proves nothing, let alone logically proving the existance of god. David Hume wrote a book called "Dialogues concerning natural religion" where you can find your exact argument in the mouth of Cleanthes, claiming the natural order of the universe proves the existence of an intelligent designer. Hume goes on and disproves that logic convinvingly through the character of Philo. You should read Humes book so you dont have to use outdated and disproved arguments from 200 years ago anymore...
edit: also his belief is by no means original as others said... probably already proven by showing his exact opinion already is in a 200 year old book, but just to make it clear again, his belief is that of a classic deist, its nothing original. I suggest all of you read Humes book if you want some standard knowledge/education about the god question, Im sure it will help to differentiate your own standpoint a lot. Well, A- it wasn't an analogy , B-My point wasn't weak and C- it does prove something. I didn't read Hume's book but i checked and he seems to argue against the Argument from design (my argument) but doesn't go as far as to deny the existence of god. That would simply make him an agnostic yet i'd be really curious to know what his arguments are about the impossibility of proving God's existence. Im not sure why the opinion of an 18th century scottish scholar should have preponderance over mine in this debate.
well its quite simple, your analogy never goes beyond assumption. Unfortunately you have no evidence, no cold hard data to prove the existence of god. Also, you have no clue if order really exists in matter, maybe it only exists in (your) mind? If you really think your analogy comes close to logic proof, you not only need to read Humes book, but also get a grip of basic logic.
Oh, I also wanna explain to you why the opinion of an "18th century scottish scholar" should have more preponderance over your opinion in this debate... Probably because he is a well known and one of the most important philosophers of the 18th century/the enlightenment? Probably because his book about this topic is the philosophical standard lecture on it? Maybe u also think that your opinion is far more sophisticated than those of pre-christian greek scholars like Aristoteles, Platon, Sokrates and all the other big ancient philosophers. But maybe, just maybe, ur ignorance just knows no bounds...
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There also are theories that suggest that the creation of the world is just a metaphor and that the world in fact was created as detailed in the Evolutionistic way of thinking, but that the bible's 7 days were actually spread accross billions of years and are just a... metaphor. I think that this easily makes the most sense. It's silly to try to prove others wrong, just try to make everything work... sigh.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
i got one link to this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5691856346955590274&ei=EfaCSbeLBJfE2AKEur2cCw
the problem is this video is followed by one of those fringe 9/11 conspiracy videos with some fight club sound track in the back ground, i can't give him this, i lose all credibility. i'm tempted to give him a dawkins book, i'll even buy it for him.
anyone know which is the best one to suggest? i find hitchens tooooo much for a religious person. actually... on that note, what's the best daniel dennet book? breaking the spell?
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On January 31 2009 00:04 Shikyo wrote:
There also are theories that suggest that the creation of the world is just a metaphor and that the world in fact was created as detailed in the Evolutionistic way of thinking, but that the bible's 7 days were actually spread accross billions of years and are just a... metaphor. I think that this easily makes the most sense. It's silly to try to prove others wrong, just try to make everything work... sigh.
yeah that's what the Catholics teach.
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lol, don't show him that video.
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Starcraftism is the best religion.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
i really wasn't expecting this much of a response to the blog, i have to go soon, but i'll read the other responses tomorrow. sorry. i do appreciate feedback.
BUT PLEASE HELP ME FIND ARTICLES, NO ONE IS DOING THAT
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tasteless just give him the hume book... i think it has a lot more credibility than youtube vidoes or dawkins books...
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
yeah someone from tl.net just sent it to me, it's one of those fringe-ish vids. there are much better out there that don't alienate ppl so much.
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I JUST THINK THE ENTIRE IDEA IS A FRUITLESS ENDEAVOR DUE TO PRIOR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.
But I'll try to remember some of the main reasons that made me walk away from Christianity today.
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Lol incredibly closed minded zealotry.
Explains the protoss love.
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On January 30 2009 18:23 PH wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses are very strange from my experiences with them. Don't expect too much.
Just cut contact and give it a rest. If you're completely secure in your beliefs, then what does it matter?
I feel the opposite. They have been always nice to me even though I'm really agnostic. When people approach me with their religious views I just treat them with respect, and say I have my beliefs and they should respect mine like I do theirs.
Never had any problems doing it that way. I know people might keep trying to persude you, but I just walk away from the situtation afterwards. It's easy like that. No drama.
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