I've switched to T this season (my main is P) and I haven't played vs any cheese. In previous seasons, I didn't feel that cheese was nearly as bad as a lot of people say. Maybe it was just me being P. But this season, the opponents either played standard or played bad. Well, one guy did a carrier rush, but I don't consider that too cheesy. I've played 15 games so far, so I know I've had extraordinary luck this season.

I think another thing is that I haven't played Blue Storm. That map is just so good for cheesing, if I played that map 15 times instead of random other maps, I'd probably be cheesed about 10 times

Dewis

Finland344 Posts

January 27 2009 23:49 GMT

#22

On January 28 2009 08:44 Salv wrote:
Depends what you call cheese. Do you consider a DT drop cheese and things of the like?

No, I'm mainly talking about all kinds of proxygate and proxygate+cannon variations.

I just don't understand people who do it all the time, doesn't people want to improve or do they actually think they are when they win games with cheese only?

Piy

Scotland3152 Posts

January 27 2009 23:50 GMT

#23

my heart bleeds for you

Ganfei

Taiwan1439 Posts

January 27 2009 23:50 GMT

#24

On January 28 2009 08:44 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
i dont even play my strongest race, terran on the motw anymore after being constantly taken down by proxy gates in my base

i dont even bother fighting it cuz they do w/e it takes to cheese. if i kill their first pylon before their gate, they'll make 2-3 more.

if they can't get lots out, they will cannon rush.

and lets not get into the topic of 5 pools.

kill the gateways, not the pylons. just stick 4 scvs on the gate as it warps, get your first rine out, and go for the probe

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

January 27 2009 23:51 GMT

#25

I would 5 pool more often to counter those stupid 8 rax bunker rushes, but everytime I'm about to 5 pool I feel so gay and decide not to do it.

Why the hell do people even bother cheesing? It's so gay and it's not even worth the win.

s.a.y

Croatia3840 Posts

January 27 2009 23:53 GMT

#26

do a build with rax first, and you will kill it ez mode

kroko

Finland2136 Posts

January 27 2009 23:54 GMT

#27

Too many ppl play for rank. Just today(actually yesterday at Finland) I played twice vs 7x-Justice build. Which is 4pool into disc while BM'ing. Every MU is timing games for me. PvT is T going for fe into 5fac timing push, PvP is 2g reaver -> go, PvZ is either 3 hatchling or 2/3/4 hatch hydra.
Seems like I only get standard games vs my friend, or vs some1 on cw who dosent play ladders, or every 10th game on iccup T__T...

Dewis

Finland344 Posts

January 27 2009 23:55 GMT

#28

On January 28 2009 08:51 Tien wrote:Why the hell do people even bother cheesing? It's so gay and it's not even worth the win.

Referring to Incontrol's thread about not playing predictable, cheese can be good to use in a bo series, but at a massgaming ladder I don't really see the point either.

jhNz

Germany2762 Posts

January 27 2009 23:55 GMT

#29

i only cheese if i don't have time for a long game

so if i know that i have to go within the next 10 minutes i always do something like gates in the opponents main or smth like that :>

TheSchwA

United States248 Posts

January 27 2009 23:55 GMT

#30

I used to get really frustrated with this too, nothing you can do but get over it and just play. If you play someone four times in a row, and they've cheesed in every single game, you should assume they're going to cheese again. Just scout well, and if you notice anything odd, prepare for it. Normally you should have a very strong chance at winning the game if you've scouted the cheese. People are just obsessed with ranking up for many reasons, let them.

Dewis

Finland344 Posts

January 27 2009 23:59 GMT

#31

On January 28 2009 08:55 TheSchwA wrote:
I used to get really frustrated with this too, nothing you can do but get over it and just play. If you play someone four times in a row, and they've cheesed in every single game, you should assume they're going to cheese again. Just scout well, and if you notice anything odd, prepare for it. Normally you should have a very strong chance at winning the game if you've scouted the cheese. People are just obsessed with ranking up for many reasons, let them.

True, I expected cheese from the guy already after the first game, and I'm sure that he knew that I would play more cautious too, yet he cheesed every game. Unbelievable.

Divinek

Canada4045 Posts

January 28 2009 00:06 GMT

#32

Maybe some people want to improve their cheese strategies. Gotta practice some how

anderoo

Canada1876 Posts

January 28 2009 00:09 GMT

#33

On January 28 2009 08:51 Tien wrote:
I would 5 pool more often to counter those stupid 8 rax bunker rushes, but everytime I'm about to 5 pool I feel so gay and decide not to do it.

Why the hell do people even bother cheesing? It's so gay and it's not even worth the win.

lol
once i got 4 pooled consecutively in a few ZvZ's, so the next game I 4 pool and the guy was just going for hatch in main

"i'm sorry i really thought you were gonna 4 pool me... re but standard?"

FREEloss_ca

Canada603 Posts

January 28 2009 00:10 GMT

#34

On January 28 2009 08:55 Dewis wrote:

Show nested quote +

Referring to Incontrol's thread about not playing predictable, cheese can be good to use in a bo series, but at a massgaming ladder I don't really see the point either.

I agree with this.

I personally don't even feel satisfied with a victory that I earn via cheesing. I'd much rather out macro, micro and out play my opponent, as opposed to catching him with his pants around his ankles.

skyglow1

New Zealand3962 Posts

January 28 2009 00:18 GMT

#35

I hardly get cheesed but whenever I do it's fun to play against. It really tests how sharp and clean you can micro your units in a high intensity situation.

frostynine

Sweden53 Posts

January 28 2009 00:19 GMT

#36

I cheese alot, I play T. It's not for points or stuff like that, I just like to cheese. I dont enjoy the long macrogames, and cheesing makes it alot more fun.

imperfect

Canada1652 Posts

January 28 2009 00:34 GMT

#37

uhh i just faced this korean fag who 5 pooled me 2 consecutive games in a row. second time around, i lost my cool and for the first time swore on iccup instead of just saying gg because i lost it due to one single micro mistake with my corsairs.

and to top it off, i've lost my 4 other games, and now i'm back to C from being in C+ with 5500~ points.

AND in addition, i asked for a re to that fag and he said ok, chose toss, and double proxy gated me. i won the game, but i hadn't realized he had set the game setting to like melee or something so i didn't get any points.

hahaha it was the most frustrating thing ever.
i'm laughing now, but i was ready to kill someone T_T

ToyotaDemon

Australia150 Posts

January 28 2009 00:35 GMT

#38

Cheese is fun to play/play against sometimes.

I have a replay here of a pretty funny game (version 1.15.3). At the start of the game roughly 2 minutes in he said "I'm win" and i was lol yeah ok.......

Then I see a bunker and some marines and I was like ooohhh......

Inspired from the Tempest vs Light game http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=kd5tK9svnIQ

I decided to stay in the game even when he took out my pylon and such. Finally when I took out his bunkers and marines I typed "who win?" and he responded "me"

So i rocked up to his base killed his scvs, he backstabbed with some marines but I was rdy for them. GG no re, cheese games for the funnies

koreasilver

9109 Posts

January 28 2009 00:42 GMT

#39

Playing on iCCup really made me scout better due to all the cheese. The only matchup that seem to be devoid of "cheese" for is ZvZ.

Salv

Canada3083 Posts

January 28 2009 00:47 GMT

#40

ICCup is essentially just a way to practice; with the ideal goal (in my opinion) being that it pays off in series or matches that 'matter'; clan wars and things of the like. My perspective is that in a best of five series, if I want to 9/10 gate rush a terran and follow up with DT or something like that, I'll need to practice it. I might play ten or fifteen games where I do the same rush over and over and find out where it's weak (or where I am weak, when using it) and then I can decide whether it's worth using.

I don't really do things like that, but I might start, considering when I cheese in a BO series, it's often a complete failure since I don't ever practice it.

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