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I can't believe how many cheesers there are on ICCup. I've been playing my off-race Terran for a while and looking for improving. I currently play on the motw Blue Storm. I don't know if it's the map that encourages people to cheese, or is it just the low ranked players that are looking to reach a higher rank.
At least 10 of my last 20 games have been cheesegames. I understand that cheesing is a part of the game and I sometimes do it myself too. However, currently my main goal is to improving and just play standard but it seems quite impossible. Are people really this obsessed about the points/ranks?
I have to say that Protosses are definitely the worst. God they cheese all the time. My main race is protoss too so I understand that it's fun sometimes, but some do it all the time. I played this one guy four times in a row and every single game he cheesed.
Do I just have bad luck with my opponents? Does it have to do with my race? When I play P only a handfull of games include cheese. What the hell is up?
 
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International Cheeser's Cup.
Yeah as Terran you'll get cheesed a lot especially by lower ranked Protoss players. There's not much you can really do except work on improving your anti-cheese I'm afraid >_>
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United States24799 Posts
I can tell you as a protoss that I rarely got cheesed when I played a decent number of ladder games.
I realize it sorta stands out when all these cheese games happen to you, but it's actually very common for people to make a post similar to yours so don't feel left out.
If you want to practice straight up, then either fly through the lower ranks or get in with a group/clan of similarly ranked players who aren't going to cheese you a lot.
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I don't think it's that bad, I play terran myself. I like blue storm but standard games tend to last so long there so I can understand people cheesing there. Also half of the protoss newbies try that double gate in your main trick which is always a free win so I don't mind.
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Well cheese is a part of the game too and, contrary to popular belief, does require skill both to execute and defend. So at least you're still getting a lot of practise with one game aspect. And at least it's usually over quickly one way or another.
I might sound like a cheese a lot; I don't, it's really rare for me. I've just always respected it as a tactic. It can make the game a lot more fun to watch. It does get really lame when someone cheeses over 50% of their games though.
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Dewis i used to lose to PvT bluestorm cheese alot. Here is an easy solution that cancels out all cheese. send your 7th scv to that little opening in the wall to block his probe, when he tries to micro the scv away just move back and attack it quickly, repeat over and over until he leaves or goes around. By the time he can get around your wall will be up. This stops pretty much everything because it prevents his probe from not being seen if he in base proxies you and if you dont see it come to the opening you can be sure he is proxying outside your base.
zlot cannon prevention:
I always freak out and overmicro like shit when i see a cannon being warped in outside my wall with 1-2 zlots but the actual way to stop this cheese is to make a semi wall just inside your base while you tech to tanks. Make a bunker and try to surround it by the new depots you will have to make (let him kill the one at your wall. Get siege and a tank asap then once u break out just double expo with turrets (standard tvp w/e). Dont let him kill your scvs. If you can make a proxy fac in his base (this works so much LOL) and hurt his econ while you macro. (thx to Sanity for this idea)
10/15 gate:
this is rare on bluestorm but a good counter is making a bunker and getting siege and a tank asap before your CC. keep 3 scvs at the bunker and float your rax over it until the tank is out then wall it with bunker/rax/depot (keep the rax and depot one matrix behind the bunker so non range goons cant hit it at first. expo and get dropship harass asap afterwards.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
I don't encounter cheese a lot in ICCUP. Maybe it's because I played python every single game. When I play on motw, I usually cheese because I have no idea how to play on that map.
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On January 28 2009 08:12 micronesia wrote:
I can tell you as a protoss that I rarely got cheesed when I played a decent number of ladder games.
I realize it sorta stands out when all these cheese games happen to you, but it's actually very common for people to make a post similar to yours so don't feel left out.
If you want to practice straight up, then either fly through the lower ranks or get in with a group/clan of similarly ranked players who aren't going to cheese you a lot.
Likewise, as protoss I actually have never been cheesed.
I guess playing against cheese does have its benefits though. Even though it's not as common at higher levels, you'll be more prepared if it ever does happen.
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On January 28 2009 08:16 Hypnosis wrote:
Dewis i used to lose to PvT bluestorm cheese alot. Here is an easy solution that cancels out all cheese. send your 7th scv to that little opening in the wall to block his probe, when he tries to micro the scv away just move back and attack it quickly, repeat over and over until he leaves or goes around. By the time he can get around your wall will be up. This stops pretty much everything because it prevents his probe from not being seen if he in base proxies you and if you dont see it come to the opening you can be sure he is proxying outside your base.
This only works on blue storm but it works really well
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Blue storm is particularly bad in TvP, but I haven't encountered much cheese. A lot of DT rushing in PvP, but it's not that risky (at my level), people usually play it into storm/cannons/expo or something.
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Part of learning to play standard is dealing with cheese. Not just learning how to play standard vs someone else who is also playing standard.
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I think I have been cheesed only once in about 200 iccup games. It was a 5pool by a guy that only 5pools. I looked at his record and he had 100 games that ended in about 5 minutes or less.
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On January 28 2009 08:16 Hypnosis wrote:
Dewis i used to lose to PvT bluestorm cheese alot. Here is an easy solution that cancels out all cheese. send your 7th scv to that little opening in the wall to block his probe, when he tries to micro the scv away just move back and attack it quickly, repeat over and over until he leaves or goes around. By the time he can get around your wall will be up. This stops pretty much everything because it prevents his probe from not being seen if he in base proxies you and if you dont see it come to the opening you can be sure he is proxying outside your base.
Thanks for all the tips you wrote. Regarding the text quoted: I wouldn't like to "prepare for cheese" as a part of my standard game. Of course you must always be prepared for it and check you main on Blue Storm for gates etc., and overall scout what is going on.
Well maybe I just have to suck it up and take it as a good anticheese lesson.
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On January 28 2009 08:38 sixghost wrote:
Part of learning to play standard is dealing with cheese. Not just learning how to play standard vs someone else who is also playing standard.
If you read my OP you can see that I agree with this. I'm just a pretty bad terran and would like to train my basic mechanics. And I've played like 4-5 hours straight without a single "standard" TvP.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Serves you bunker terrans right.
I'm glad the protosses are cheesing you guys right back cuz the zergs obviously aren't 5pooling enuf.
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People cheese repeatedly simply because they're stat whores. They'll farm as many wins as they can with cheese builds to increase the size of their Bnet-peen (ie. their ICCUP rank).
But the timeless saying still follows: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice....uhh
Well the point is you can't get fooled. Some people won't even re because they know you'll be prepared for their cheese the second game. Basically those players aren't going anywhere BW wise and eventually you'll grow as a player and be able to handle cheese strats far better and eventually find yourself at a rank where you'll only be cheesed a respectable amount of times.
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Depends what you call cheese. Do you consider a DT drop cheese and things of the like?
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Protoss have a pact with each other and zergs that they'll only cheese Terrans.
Bastards
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i dont even play my strongest race, terran on the motw anymore after being constantly taken down by proxy gates in my base
i dont even bother fighting it cuz they do w/e it takes to cheese. if i kill their first pylon before their gate, they'll make 2-3 more.
if they can't get lots out, they will cannon rush.
and lets not get into the topic of 5 pools.
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On January 28 2009 08:11 jello_biafra wrote:
International Crying Cup.
Fixed.
I cheese in about 80% of my games, be it small cheese or all-in. Why? I don't really play for improving because it would demand A LOT more time than I spend on playing SC, I just play for fun. Trying to pull out some of progamers' pimp moves or inventing my own builds, failing hard both of cases. But I enjoy it. I enjoy microing shuttle and reaver far more than going to 200/200 macro whore. I enjoy low eco games. I know I'm never gonna be more than D player but I don't care as long as I enjoy starcraft 
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