Fixed.

I cheese in about 80% of my games, be it small cheese or all-in. Why? I don't really play for improving because it would demand A LOT more time than I spend on playing SC, I just play for fun. Trying to pull out some of progamers' pimp moves or inventing my own builds, failing hard both of cases. But I enjoy it. I enjoy microing shuttle and reaver far more than going to 200/200 macro whore. I enjoy low eco games. I know I'm never gonna be more than D player but I don't care as long as I enjoy starcraft

So basically if you want to avoid this get to D+/C- or so and you won't encounter it as often.

Yes cheesing takes skill somestimes, yes it's part of the game, but I can understand how you want to train your "standard play". OP never said that he has a problem dealing with cheese, they just do it a lot. Maybe he has played it so much it almost never gets him, which is why he wants to practice standard a little more.

Your best bet is like micronesia said, get past the lower ranks where people don't do it as much or join a clan or play with friends and tell them what you are trying to do.

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

January 28 2009 01:28 GMT

#44

Its all part of the practicing for being a good terran, if you can't handle the early game then you aren't cut out for long game, plain and simple. So its a stepping stone in skill levels, rightly so. Once you get to the higher ranks, everyone knows that you've been through the 'cheese ranks' and therefor can be trusted to be at least some what of a skilled player on merit alone.

PS- I dunno what the deal is with people calling it cheese and complaining, its all part of the game as I mentioned above.

meegrean

Thailand7699 Posts

January 28 2009 01:38 GMT

#45

To learn how to play standard, you should play against people you know or with higher ranked players. The D ladder is full of cheesers. The main advantage of playing against cheesers is that you learn how to defend vs cheese, but it does get kinda boring after a while.

Malongo

Chile3472 Posts

January 28 2009 01:39 GMT

#46

I think most of people here have the wrong idea: this is a competitive game and a win is a win. What the opener calls cheese is not just a part of the game: is the game itself. What is not to cheese? to play normal? theres no normal game, or normal BO/strategy its just that you expect the game to go in a way because you think that everyone plays like that. Stop the crying, learn to deal with "cheese". If someone wants to 5 pool his way to A+, thats ok.

Racenilatr

United States2756 Posts

January 28 2009 01:40 GMT

#47

I am a protoss. I don't cheese. I hope other people keep "high moral standards" by not doing somethign sneaky like cheese just to get more points or win quickly, BUT if they DO cheese, it's not that hard to scout and then get pissed off at/win because you can detect slight changes like when the scout comes, amount of units, gas taken or not, all those things O_o

Amarxist

United States371 Posts

January 28 2009 02:01 GMT

#48

I don't understand why there's so much puff about "cheesing". It's part of the game, people have stated that it is fairly possible to easily deal with it if you look for it and know what to do. Adapt and move on to better things.

How can it be "honorable" to not "cheese"? I don't understand that at all, I think what people are meaning to say is, "You made me lose, so you're not honorable unless you make me lose the way I WANT to lose." A loss is a loss.

Megalisk

United States6095 Posts

January 28 2009 02:03 GMT

#49

Getting cheesed sucks (especially cannon rushed). But sometimes doing a successful proxy hatch makes you feel so warm and evil inside

. Othello anyone?

GHOSTCLAW

United States17042 Posts

January 28 2009 02:07 GMT

#50

On January 28 2009 11:03 AlphaxOmega wrote:
Getting cheesed sucks (especially cannon rushed). But sometimes doing a successful proxy hatch makes you feel so warm and evil inside

. Othello anyone?

proxy hat into proxy nydus is amazing. And the opponent thinks that you mass dropped, especially if you manage to pull it off 20 minutes into the game or so with ultra/ling.

Jonoman92

United States9109 Posts

January 28 2009 02:14 GMT

#51

Yea I pretty much attempt gas steal into 3 gate all-inish attack or dt every PvT on blue storm. I'm not a bad person, I'm just bad at PvT...

Ilikestarcraft

Korea (South)17743 Posts

January 28 2009 02:22 GMT

#52

Its okay i go 2 fact a lot on python because i cant win late game

wurm

Philippines2296 Posts

January 28 2009 02:33 GMT

#53

lol.. cheesers are funny. Like this guy. Tried to cannon rush on Tau Cross, but got his probe stuck behind the pylon. I spotted it like 10 secs later with him building a new pylon, canceled it and left a few seconds after. haha... Easy 130 points.

Pioneer

994 Posts

January 28 2009 02:39 GMT

#54

Stopping 2 gate is easy on any map where you can wall and even then it's really easy to simcity your barracks/depot/factory next to your CC to hold off any 2 gate or 1 gate zealot rush. Letting your gas be stolen is your own fault so you shouldn't blame the other player and I think you're over exaggerating how often you've been cheesed.

Ilikestarcraft

Korea (South)17743 Posts

January 28 2009 02:41 GMT

#55

On January 28 2009 11:33 wurm wrote:

HAHA

I remember my friend proxy 2 gated in this zerg's nat and his lots couldnt get out.

Kingdumb dejavu

koreasilver

9109 Posts

January 28 2009 02:44 GMT

#56

There was a game long time ago on b.net where some protoss guy cannon rushed me and FE'd... and I just ran my lings to his base and killed all his probes.

Ra.Xor.2

United States1784 Posts

January 28 2009 03:36 GMT

#57

I dunno I switched to Terran as well, but I find it much, much easier to defend cheese than as Protoss. It used to bother me, especially in PvP when 80% of the time my opponent would never even attempt to go for an expansion and just cheesed. As a Terran, you can wall-in, build turrets on the go, have scan, and a shitload of other deffensive options.

thunk

United States6233 Posts

January 28 2009 03:48 GMT

#58

If you guys watched JF's reppack of his iccup, he pulls the 5 different cheeses on this one poor kid on Blue Storm. I reckon he only did 1 cheese build to get through all of the D/C ranks.

ThE_OsToJiY

Canada1167 Posts

January 28 2009 03:56 GMT

#59

Define "cheese". I personally do a lot of early pressure builds if I scout them and they suck at D~C- level simply because I dont want to waste time playing vs random noobs. I don't see that much legitimate cheese, like 5pool or anything although maybe you got unlucky idk...

ps. I practice my terran on bnet, more fun becasue then I win :D

Djabanete

United States2786 Posts

January 28 2009 04:01 GMT

#60

I sometimes wonder how high a rank someone like Bisu or Stork could get if they started a new account and just 2-gated every single time, every matchup, every map, no matter what.