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Im-JaY
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada69 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 06:16:39
January 18 2009 05:43 GMT
#1
This is my 1st blog. I was waiting for something good to put in it. Maybe this will do.

So I was just on ICCUP getting owned as usual, and I joined this game. Game started and I moved my drones and then hit SD to make another drone. It wouldn't go. I hit it again a few more times. Then I looked up at my mins and saw that they were at zero. Wtf! I asked the other player if it happened to him too. He had no idea what was going on.

I left the game because it was laggy. I checked the replay and sure enough, I was @ 0 mins at the start. Never even knew that it was possible. Crazy..!
Heres the replay if you care. >>> http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7136

So I wanted to know has this ever happened to anyone else?
Has it happened in any important televised game?
I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

Anyways, thats my story, thanks for reading.

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nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
January 18 2009 05:45 GMT
#2
LOL I think this has happened before in a televised game, I believe it was (Z)YellOw that it happened to let me look for it quickly
Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
January 18 2009 05:46 GMT
#3
This is a fairly common bug, and it has happened in a pro game iirc
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 06:16:03
January 18 2009 05:47 GMT
#4
whoops. wrong thread.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
January 18 2009 06:00 GMT
#5
This is why there needs to be a ref for pro-matches I guess.

Honestly I've never seen this but I doubt you'd make it up. But, if this can happen, why can't it start you with 100 minerals another time? That would be something.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Im-JaY
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada69 Posts
January 18 2009 06:09 GMT
#6
Haha cool. I figured that it had happened before. But I'd never really heard about it.
I wish I could start with 100 mins. Super fast 4 pool ftw!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
January 18 2009 06:27 GMT
#7
I've seen numerous threads before on this, it's a random bug, nothing more.
Jaedong
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
January 18 2009 06:27 GMT
#8
protip: make drone before sending drones to mins
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
January 18 2009 06:32 GMT
#9
On January 18 2009 15:27 dongfeng wrote:
protip: make drone before sending drones to mins

Ah yeah wow how did we all miss that.

Also OP, I find it humorous that you left because it was laggy
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
January 18 2009 07:34 GMT
#10
I've had it happen to me before, but the game was played on UMS, so I thought it was just some shady map editting going on.
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404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
January 18 2009 08:03 GMT
#11
On January 18 2009 14:43 Im-JaY wrote:
This is my 1st blog. I was waiting for something good to put in it. Maybe this will do.

So I was just on ICCUP getting owned as usual, and I joined this game. Game started and I moved my drones and then hit SD to make another drone. It wouldn't go. I hit it again a few more times. Then I looked up at my mins and saw that they were at zero. Wtf! I asked the other player if it happened to him too. He had no idea what was going on.

I left the game because it was laggy. I checked the replay and sure enough, I was @ 0 mins at the start. Never even knew that it was possible. Crazy..!
Heres the replay if you care. >>> http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7136

So I wanted to know has this ever happened to anyone else?
Has it happened in any important televised game?
I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

Anyways, thats my story, thanks for reading.


I think you really need to re-evaluate how you approach this game.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
January 18 2009 08:04 GMT
#12
what's wrong with leaving a laggy game?
blabberrrrr
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 18 2009 08:30 GMT
#13
On January 18 2009 17:04 blabber wrote:
what's wrong with leaving a laggy game?

no its the fact that he should've left because of hte minbug
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-18 10:47:19
January 18 2009 09:30 GMT
#14
It is a reverse minhack which was caused by the unlucky sequence of commands you gave together with perfect timing.
6 Orange-Juice Select 3633 3633
6 Orange-Juice Select Larva(x3) 3625,3632,3631
6 Orange-Juice Hatch Drone
6 Orange-Juice Shift Select Drone(x4) 3629,3628,3627,3626
6 Orange-Juice Move (139,3840),3650,228,0 3650
6 Orange-Juice Stop 0

the decisive part is that you build a drone and give it a stop command in the same frame. This causes your build to be cancelled withour refund. Some older minhacks used siminar timing attacks, but of course giving you the mins.

On broodwar.de we had some guy who claimed to have that bug in about 1of 4 games. He seems to have been able to reproduce that sequence rather well. But of course its easier to give the commands in one frame on bnet latency than on lan latency. But with a lagspike in the beginning it is still possible.

edit: The stop command was only given because you selected drones after giving the hatch command. Else the s key would have been ignored.
so you have to:
1) press d (give a hatch command)
2) add drones to the selection, but keep the larva selected
3) press s (give a stop command)
all in one frame.
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Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
January 18 2009 09:35 GMT
#15
On January 18 2009 18:30 MasterOfChaos wrote:
It is a reverse minhack which was caused by the unlucky sequence of commands you gave together with perfect timing.
Show nested quote +
6 Orange-Juice Select 3633 3633
6 Orange-Juice Select Larva(x3) 3625,3632,3631
6 Orange-Juice Hatch Drone
6 Orange-Juice Shift Select Drone(x4) 3629,3628,3627,3626
6 Orange-Juice Move (139,3840),3650,228,0 3650
6 Orange-Juice Stop 0

the decisive part is that you build a drone and give it a stop command in the same frame. This causes your build to be cancelled withour refund. Some older minhacks used siminar timing attacks, but of course giving you the mins.

On broodwar.de we had some guy who claimed to have that bug in about 1of 4 games. He seems to have been able to reproduce that sequence rather well. But of course its easier to give the commands in one frame on bnet latency than on lan latency. But with a lagspike in the beginning it is still possible.



It's cool to hear the technical explanation. This has happened to be several times before, and it only happens with zerg
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
January 18 2009 09:50 GMT
#16
On January 18 2009 18:30 MasterOfChaos wrote:
It is a reverse minhack which was caused by the unlucky sequence of commands you gave together with perfect timing.
Show nested quote +
6 Orange-Juice Select 3633 3633
6 Orange-Juice Select Larva(x3) 3625,3632,3631
6 Orange-Juice Hatch Drone
6 Orange-Juice Shift Select Drone(x4) 3629,3628,3627,3626
6 Orange-Juice Move (139,3840),3650,228,0 3650
6 Orange-Juice Stop 0

the decisive part is that you build a drone and give it a stop command in the same frame. This causes your build to be cancelled withour refund. Some older minhacks used siminar timing attacks, but of course giving you the mins.

On broodwar.de we had some guy who claimed to have that bug in about 1of 4 games. He seems to have been able to reproduce that sequence rather well. But of course its easier to give the commands in one frame on bnet latency than on lan latency. But with a lagspike in the beginning it is still possible.

so basically it's caused when someone wants to select larva from the hatchery (even though the drone was already being made) by hitting s but ends up pressing stop instead? Cause I don't see any other reason someone would press stop
blabberrrrr
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
January 18 2009 10:26 GMT
#17
On January 18 2009 18:50 blabber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2009 18:30 MasterOfChaos wrote:
It is a reverse minhack which was caused by the unlucky sequence of commands you gave together with perfect timing.
6 Orange-Juice Select 3633 3633
6 Orange-Juice Select Larva(x3) 3625,3632,3631
6 Orange-Juice Hatch Drone
6 Orange-Juice Shift Select Drone(x4) 3629,3628,3627,3626
6 Orange-Juice Move (139,3840),3650,228,0 3650
6 Orange-Juice Stop 0

the decisive part is that you build a drone and give it a stop command in the same frame. This causes your build to be cancelled withour refund. Some older minhacks used siminar timing attacks, but of course giving you the mins.

On broodwar.de we had some guy who claimed to have that bug in about 1of 4 games. He seems to have been able to reproduce that sequence rather well. But of course its easier to give the commands in one frame on bnet latency than on lan latency. But with a lagspike in the beginning it is still possible.

so basically it's caused when someone wants to select larva from the hatchery (even though the drone was already being made) by hitting s but ends up pressing stop instead? Cause I don't see any other reason someone would press stop

S key is really close to D key, and you press both to make a drone...
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 18 2009 19:08 GMT
#18
obviously you require more minerals
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 18 2009 21:56 GMT
#19
On January 18 2009 18:30 MasterOfChaos wrote:
It is a reverse minhack which was caused by the unlucky sequence of commands you gave together with perfect timing.
Show nested quote +
6 Orange-Juice Select 3633 3633
6 Orange-Juice Select Larva(x3) 3625,3632,3631
6 Orange-Juice Hatch Drone
6 Orange-Juice Shift Select Drone(x4) 3629,3628,3627,3626
6 Orange-Juice Move (139,3840),3650,228,0 3650
6 Orange-Juice Stop 0

the decisive part is that you build a drone and give it a stop command in the same frame. This causes your build to be cancelled withour refund. Some older minhacks used siminar timing attacks, but of course giving you the mins.

On broodwar.de we had some guy who claimed to have that bug in about 1of 4 games. He seems to have been able to reproduce that sequence rather well. But of course its easier to give the commands in one frame on bnet latency than on lan latency. But with a lagspike in the beginning it is still possible.

edit: The stop command was only given because you selected drones after giving the hatch command. Else the s key would have been ignored.
so you have to:
1) press d (give a hatch command)
2) add drones to the selection, but keep the larva selected
3) press s (give a stop command)
all in one frame.

Oh nice, so hypothetically a zerg player could master this technique if his starting point is bad to call for a restart?
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
January 18 2009 23:42 GMT
#20
Yeah sure.
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