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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:24 Spenguin wrote: Go play Warcraft. Nah | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Protoss are pissing me off more than ever this ICCUP season. I have become pretty pissed off at times, raging out at players, telling them to play a real race, putting 1A2A3A and IMBA PROTOSS in caps before leaving in a huff. ;; Come on.... | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
Lol we have all mouthed off at Protoss before. Don't act like you are above it. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
I know I do...Which is why I don't rage at them. For auir! | ||
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b3tty
Canada216 Posts
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
But yeah storms seem to be so imbalanced. 4 templars just wipe out all my tanks :o | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:37 b3tty wrote: watch progamer vod's? i do watch progamers vods, but as I said, at a higher level, any imbalance Protoss may have (and it may well be none) would be negated by the skill of the players themselves. For someone like me who is comparatively speaking just starting out, it is a different ball game. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:37 GHOSTCLAW wrote: maybe plexa plays protoss xD I know I do...Which is why I don't rage at them. For auir! ITS AIUR YOU BOZO!!!!!! | ||
thedeadhaji
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:41 thedeadhaji wrote: you of the sunk spore lurk kind should not whine! lol what is wrong with sunk, spore, lurk ? we need them ^^ | ||
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SpriteLove
United States226 Posts
at lower levels pvz is insanely hard to play compared to zvp | ||
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Viledica
Canada361 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:41 jpunshon wrote: i do watch progamers vods, but as I said, at a higher level, any imbalance Protoss may have (and it may well be none) would be negated by the skill of the players themselves. For someone like me who is comparatively speaking just starting out, it is a different ball game. So you want to watch pro gamers get destroyed by the same build that owns you rather than watch them overcome it? Come on, man. Watch the VODs, even if the players are quite obviously better; the end result is the same. How they play vs that build is what you're aiming for. | ||
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stenole
Norway869 Posts
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:47 SpriteLove wrote: wait... your a zerg player complaining about protoss? at lower levels pvz is insanely hard to play compared to zvp At least in the early game. Im pretty sure the op would've been owned just as hard if he played protoss vs zerg, but oh snap, then he wouldnt have had an excuse for losing. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:51 Epicfailguy wrote: At least in the early game. Im pretty sure the op would've been owned just as hard if he played protoss vs zerg, but oh snap, then he wouldnt have had an excuse for losing. OUCH! Lol maybe you are right. I am not sure. What I do know is that I pretty clearly stated that I keep losing because I suck, not because Protoss is imbalanced. Hell, deep down, I know it isn't imbalanced, it is just that, in the hands of better players, it seems that way. They micro their zealots well, they position their storms properly etc. As for the guy who mentioned VOD's, watching the pro's deflect the builds does help, but in the end situations like that come down to micro, and you cannot learn micro watching some pro play, you have to do it yourself. That is why I have been playing a lot against it, getting friends to do the build against me. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
I started off as a Terran player, but then people started complaining about how Z>P. So I changed to Z to abuse that match-up. After the new maps/ FE style I changed to protoss. If you're already at a high level with one race I see why you might be reluctant to change, but you're at a low level anyway so it doesn't really matter. Maybe you'll play protoss for a bit, realise their shortcomings and become a stronger zerg player. Or just stop making excuses, you do mention you lose because you suck, so just leave it at that, no need to incite race related flaming. | ||
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chroniX
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 for me a 2gate is incredible hard to beat. but as you said im getting better at it every time... the normal fe-toss: i often read that the key to beat low-level protoss is just to outmacro them.....ok! so i take my bases while he sits behind his fe-cannons teching up to HTs/reaver.i get a crapload of ctrl-groups hyds/lings ... and then? can someone tell me how to follow up or give me some advice on hive-timing? normally if i managed to get a good early game i just try to prevent his 3rd but i lose soo much doing this due to HTs/reaver/drops (scourge are soo stupid!). when i somehow got behind during early game he just pushes out and steamrolls my bases with his toss-super-mixed ball (zeals,goons,ht,archons). its seems so much easier for a 100apm player to throw around 3 storms raping a gazillion zerg units in 2 seconds than dodging it with 4 groups of cute zerg units oh btw: the tech switch to mutas after the initial hydras worked for me quite well almost everytime i did it. think i saw it in a jaedong game 1-2 months ago. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:59 Nytefish wrote: It's not like you have to stick with a particular race. I started off as a Terran player, but then people started complaining about how Z>P. So I changed to Z to abuse that match-up. After the new maps/ FE style I changed to protoss. If you're already at a high level with one race I see why you might be reluctant to change, but you're at a low level anyway so it doesn't really matter. Maybe you'll play protoss for a bit, realise their shortcomings and become a stronger zerg player. Or just stop making excuses, you do mention you lose because you suck, so just leave it at that, no need to incite race related flaming. I have played a bit with Terran and Protoss, I just like Zerg more, and with regards to your last sentence, it's my blog and I'll cry if I want to! | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On December 11 2008 22:08 Nytefish wrote: Rants are okay, it's just the first paragraph puts you across as a bit of a jerk. I suppose so - but I guess that happens when you are pissed off and frustrated. We have all been there. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
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Shauni
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:22 jpunshon wrote: every time I face it, my micro gets a little better, and I beat it off more often than not now. what has that got to do with protoss? | ||
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Xusneb
Canada612 Posts
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Moff
United Kingdom166 Posts
lollll | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 12 2008 01:31 Xusneb wrote: Starcraft is imbalanced. Discuss. ew. please use one of the bajillion threads that already exist for that sole purpose. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 12 2008 03:41 GHOSTCLAW wrote: ew. please use one of the bajillion threads that already exist for that sole purpose. They're all located here if you were wondering. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7572 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:41 jpunshon wrote: i do watch progamers vods, but as I said, at a higher level, any imbalance Protoss may have (and it may well be none) would be negated by the skill of the players themselves. For someone like me who is comparatively speaking just starting out, it is a different ball game. When I was a 'lower level' zerg. I did the same build every game. 3 hat (no third) lair-hydraspeed then no range then lurker then dual exo then 2 gas pure lurker sunken/spore pump until ultras only defence scourge/overlord scouts Lots of drop. I go overpool 9 every game ..... every game in zvp and zvt. This season I've decided to man up and 12hat against all the 2gates and proxy raxes. If they 2 gate and you go 9lord9hat-11pool you can build 2 sunkens 6 lings and mass drone until saturation ( gas before 18) and run them over with pure hydra - hydra/ling - hydra/lurker (not many lurkers) hmm... look at anything other then FE to be giving you the advantage.... and make sure to as quickly as possible deduce what you can take advantage of (oh late gas expo first, hydra push) .... or (oh, early gas no expo, 4 hat hydra sucka) ..ect ... Look at protoss as giving YOU the advantage when they play 1gate or 2 gate.... because theoretically they are. The real problem your facing is an utter rapedown from higher level players. There are people at my level (fuck you kwark) that are so good with scouting probes that every game I play terrible because I get so distracted by a 50 dollar worker .... Man up man. And until maybe 2006 or so every protoss in the world said "PvZ OMFG LURKERS AND uLTRAS WHAT THE FUCK!" ..... I'm happy protoss turned out to be a strong race because we spent years and years getting free wins ZvP  . l8tr | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:22 jpunshon wrote: I have become pretty angry at times, raging out at players, telling them to play a real race, putting 1A2A3A and IMBA PROTOSS in caps before leaving in a huff. Classy. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:41 jpunshon wrote: i do watch progamers vods, but as I said, at a higher level, any imbalance Protoss may have (and it may well be none) would be negated by the skill of the players themselves. For someone like me who is comparatively speaking just starting out, it is a different ball game. im fairly sure your opponents are just better than you | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
LOL, it turns him on | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:22 jpunshon wrote: On ICCUP, 75% of low level tosses 2 gate rush. Sometimes I defend it, sometimes I don't. That is fine, since every time I face it, my micro gets a little better, and I beat it off more often than not now. ! | ||
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StormSnarlX
United States278 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10830 Posts
On December 12 2008 06:29 StormSnarlX wrote: ur bm and u suck, k. irony abounds in this post | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
On December 11 2008 21:45 jpunshon wrote: lol what is wrong with sunk, spore, lurk ? we need them ^^ made me lol. and protoss does not need storm for pvz! yay! | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
LOL and i agree, fuck protoss (when you're T ofc). zealots > me! | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
<3 | ||
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bubbabro
United States41 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
Basically, all of you are at a higher level than me, so what seems blatantly obvious to you probably won't to me. The reason I write blogs is to vent frustration, so I guess you see the worst of me here, but those of you who refer to that ONE line about 1A2A3A etc need to realise that the stigma about protoss exists for a reason. A whole host of people, almost all of which are more skilled than I, some of which have posted in this very thread, have at least considered the possibility protoss is easy. They may say it as a joke, but even jokes have some truth to them. If you read the WHOLE post, as well as the responses I have made to people in this thread, you will see that, outside of that one, shameful instance, I know deep down that my failure against protoss comes down to my failure as a player, not any imbalance on their part. Let me spell it out for everyone. I suck at Starcraft, that is the reason why I am losing. Happy now? Until such a time where I am better (if that ever comes) it is only natural for me to get frustrated and angry, and attempt to blame other things for my losses. PROTOSS IS NOT IMBALANCED! With a clear mind, that is easy enough to say, but when you keep losing to them, as I have been, frustration sets in. I am only human folks - those of you who act like you are holier than thou - as though you have never been BM on icccup, battle.net, or just on the internet in general need to get off your high horse. Sure, what I did wasn't "classy", it wasn't polite and I am not proud of it, but that is how I felt at the time. I would take it back if I could. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On December 12 2008 10:45 jpunshon wrote: Looks like I have stirred up some ill will. Rather than quote everyone I will just summarise my responses. Basically, all of you are at a higher level than me, so what seems blatantly obvious to you probably won't to me. The reason I write blogs is to vent frustration, so I guess you see the worst of me here, but those of you who refer to that ONE line about 1A2A3A etc need to realise that the stigma about protoss exists for a reason. A whole host of people, almost all of which are more skilled than I, some of which have posted in this very thread, have at least considered the possibility protoss is easy. They may say it as a joke, but even jokes have some truth to them. If you read the WHOLE post, as well as the responses I have made to people in this thread, you will see that, outside of that one, shameful instance, I know deep down that my failure against protoss comes down to my failure as a player, not any imbalance on their part. Let me spell it out for everyone. I suck at Starcraft, that is the reason why I am losing. Happy now? Until such a time where I am better (if that ever comes) it is only natural for me to get frustrated and angry, and attempt to blame other things for my losses. PROTOSS IS NOT IMBALANCED! With a clear mind, that is easy enough to say, but when you keep losing to them, as I have been, frustration sets in. I am only human folks - those of you who act like you are holier than thou - as though you have never been BM on icccup, battle.net, or just on the internet in general need to get off your high horse. Sure, what I did wasn't "classy", it wasn't polite and I am not proud of it, but that is how I felt at the time. I would take it back if I could. Yeah yeah. Rhetorics... let's put it this way: There's no easy mode since all races are hard, the game is too fast, and there's too much to multitask. There's also no 100% win guarantee... because you WILL lose some games no matter what, you WILL lose to crap you shouldn't have lost against, you WILL lose to crap you've trained to defend against (and know the best build against) 82947928347 times before. However, when playing P as a foreigner it's very likely that you'll lose less games than you would when playing one of the other two races. Because you can play surprisingly solid games without having 300-400 APM or shitloads of experience. Because micro mistakes are more tolerable since the units have high HP. Because you have the most effective harass-type drops (storm/reaver/DT) which can decide a game very quickly. Because most of your army consists of basic attack units (zealots and goons in every matchup) which have no special attacks so they're really 1a2a3a) - you don't need to do highly mechanical things like muta harassing vs. T, controlling 23482342 lings (while using defilers too), or laying mines and sieging all the time with your whole army. Because you don't have such a thing called "undefended expansions" like you have when playing as Z - every single one of your expos is spammed with 43598453 cannons (at least 1-3 plus blocking pylons when playing vs Terran; more when playing vs. Z) since you can just spend that 150*x of minerals "on the side" whereas the other races have to really spend all their money into the army alone. And because units take a "long" time to build so you have more time for micro. I mean that's really basic stuff that should be obvious why playing P makes you lose less games unless you hit a ridiculously high skill level where all races are equally well playable, and even then current maps seem to favor you (statistically speaking), so... | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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