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Raithed
China7078 Posts
take a look at this game, its july vs go.go in proleague, 22nd of this month. ive seen fantasy do it, and i havent been playing iccup as of late and i dont play z so im not sure if people are actually doing thie build all throughout iccup in terms of zvt but man, wtf? go.go actually uses it. and to ... + Show Spoiler + his success, he won. july doesnt know how to counter it like ggplay either. guess we cant blame ggplay. or maybe that july was being TOO aggressive with last attack....?  | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
its more like just the standard valk --> mech we've seen on maps like plasma (before the osl semi between ggplay/fantasy) | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
its still a valkyrie transition into mech, just a different variant | ||
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XCetron
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
I actually switched to protoss just to avoid this build lol. | ||
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clazziquai
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Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On October 24 2008 06:06 ScarFace wrote: Agreed. This is Fantasy's build- even if its somewhat inaccurate and anarchistic to call it such, it saves time and obviously was chosen by Go.Go as his build, due to Fantasy having success with similar play. I actually switched to protoss just to avoid this build lol. Yea, THAT'S why you switched. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On October 24 2008 05:43 Hot_Bid wrote: its not fantasy's build, this is 1 base valk into expo and standard mech, theres no vulture drop either, hence why july was pretty ahead and threw it all away with a bad attack its more like just the standard valk --> mech we've seen on maps like plasma (before the osl semi between ggplay/fantasy) I think it is the fantasy build, it has all the element of a fantasy build in the beginning. The divergent we see from the fantasy build at that point was Go.go's adaptation to what julyzerg is doing. He scouted and saw it clearly that he will not be able to stop julyzerg's fast mutaliks harrase if he in fact waste any more gas and minerals on the mine research and dropship. So he built goliaths and valks to defend the fast mutalisk. As you can see in that game by the way julyzerg went into his base he had 3 goliaths and 1 valk, if he expanded and made that vulture drop in july's main he would have 200 less gas. On top of that he has to defend both his building expansion and his main with out turrets. Go go knew what he was doing in that game, but he was not fantasy, i bet fantasy would have a different counter, Julyzerg should have that game down after he obliterated go go in the middle and took control. But he fucked up one fight and that was it for him. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
when fantasy used this, after 1-2 days, we saw multiple threads about "how can zerg beat mech" and shit like that. usually mutaling > this build but as valkyrie numbers skyrocket(same for critical mass of corsairs), theyre immune to scourge/mutalisks and this forces zerg to go the hydra route. i want this as a blog discussion and not a "strategy" because i dont want threads to truncate each other. | ||
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Zuries
United Kingdom156 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 24 2008 06:46 Senx wrote: Lets ask combat-ex I agree, lets hear what they I have to say | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
Or would the ease of building a science vessel + ease of scouting with valkyrie make a drop not feasible? When I was watching that game I was thinking that a lurker drop would've really brutalized go.go's main. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
His build is pretty specific, and just b/c you see someone use a valk, doesnt mean he is doing fantasies build. | ||
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slained
Canada966 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On October 24 2008 09:28 Nyovne wrote: Ive been doing fast 1 wraith + speed vults into vult drop intoexpo/mech for... 8 years now orso and ive seen it done plenty. I srly dont get what all the fuss is about except that its rly hard to make viable at prolevel which we see people do every now and then cause of the map dependancy. You have been doing your own version of wraith - speed vult to drop expo mech. You have not been doing fantasies valk - vults with speed/mines - expo -mech. The difference is , your build is much less effective against the very top teir of professionals. I simply cannot see how you can compare the 2. His timing / game sense / play ability is lightyears above yours, and imo that would lead to a much better timed, solid build. Add the fact that iloveoov taught it to him (one of the best terrans of all time), and you simply cannot compare what you made up, with what he made up. Period. EDIT: If you took the time to remember what Day wrote on his post about this build, you will see that fantasy makes it viable on any map. There is no longer a map dependancy. That is what makes it great | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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