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I've asked all my Counterstrike 1.6 buddies if Cs is dead and they say.. its dying.
For years now the 1.6 community has dwindled and dwindled. Then the community was split in two by the release of CS:S and now it is down to a trickle.
Which leads to what this thread is REALLY about: What do i have to satisfy my gaming needs? With 1.6 slowly (and painfully) dying, no playing quake, and no good titles (bar Quake live_ on the horizon. what should i do?
Wait. the answer is right infront of me. TL.net... Starcraft? Is the starcraft community about to suffer a total split down the middle with the release of SC2 or is it going to be a total shift to the new game? Should i bother with SC?
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I've never been that interested in shooters, but the call of duty series is going pretty strong at the moment, so you might want to let that tide you over until you can find the next big thing?
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it's pretty much dead in australia (only wcg is worth playing for) but still popular overseas
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It's a shame that the same thing will probably happen to BW when SC2 comes out 
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Are you kidding? CS is still wildly popular. The pro scene is populated, the tournaments still happen. CS:S is only slightly more popular. Shit, just look at this, it's all the proof you need.
Your 1.6 buddies are.. not well-informed.
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Hell, go look at Gotfrag's "prize money" section, there's still hundreds of thousands of dollars worldwide being poured into the game.
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Yeah but im not willing to practice for 12 hours a day, join a team, get sponsors, join a league etc. etc.
Theres a decline in the pub servers (i think GA has 4 left or something), pug IRC servers are going down also and a server wont be populated to 10+ players at any one time.
At least in Australia anyways.
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On October 23 2008 19:46 Phearlock wrote:
I've never been that interested in shooters, but the call of duty series is going pretty strong at the moment, so you might want to let that tide you over until you can find the next big thing?
I liked CoD2, though i jumped on the bandwagon a bit late. I don't like CoD4 too much, i played it pretty hardout once upon a time, but gave up after dying repeadedly to some tard mashing the nade button.
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I dunno, I play on AU/NZ servers all the time. The servers are usually near full when I'm around. Dunno about the scrims though because I scrim against american teams (fuck 250 ping yo).
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On October 23 2008 19:52 jello_biafra wrote:It's a shame that the same thing will probably happen to BW when SC2 comes out
I call it "Source Syndrome".
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I heard CSers moved to COD4 when it came out. So, mebbe, you should check that out.
CS isn't dying anytime soon especially in Asia. If your connection is fast, maybe you should try the Singapore servers. They're probably the nearest country to your region who have among the fastest home DSL speeds. I can't be too sure about Malaysia ones. It depends if people are hosting the server at our internet backbone areas.
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The Koreans play a game called "Sudden attack". (that name probably sounds badass in korean
Has anyone tried that out?
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you can't play Sudden Attack online unless you're in Korea.
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On October 23 2008 19:54 H_ wrote:
Are you kidding? CS is still wildly popular. The pro scene is populated, the tournaments still happen. CS:S is only slightly more popular. Shit, just look at this, it's all the proof you need.
Your 1.6 buddies are.. not well-informed.
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Hell, go look at Gotfrag's "prize money" section, there's still hundreds of thousands of dollars worldwide being poured into the game.
Cool !! TFC still have a peak of 300 ppl playing :D including me sometime during the week-end 
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On October 23 2008 20:36 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
you can't play Sudden Attack online unless you're in Korea.
way to shit on my parade
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It's pretty sad they haven't balanced the weapons for 9 years already...
One they decided to try and balance them by just making the rifles even more expensive, when the other weapons are just not worth it, and they would've just increased the need for saverounds instead of decreasing it as they should... pretty retarded and the community cried out ofc, but they still didn't get that you can't compare 2 mp5s to the m16, because you don't get an extra player/life to use the second mp5 and the result of the community outcry was them just not changing anything...
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PLay source, it's better
better yet, play tf2
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I guess i just need to surf the puddle that is CS until the quake live website is up and running,
isnt quake live a good idea? makeing an old game free to try and revitalize a community.
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On October 23 2008 21:45 Hawk wrote:
PLay source, it's better
LOOOOOOOOL?
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CS WILL NEVER DIE!!!!
im sure there are still a lot of people who play it regularly
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Over here in Sri Lanka, CS 1.6 is still the biggest multiplayer FPS game. Nobody plays source, possibly because it needs computers with better specs.
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I was really hoping Shadowrun piled on the popularity. But it being released slightly before Halo 3 cut its lifespan severely. Shadowrun has no auto aim, even on the 360 version (from what I've noticed). Plus it has "perks" similar to Cod4, except you have to buy them and your guns ala CS.
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iccup has about 30 pub servers.......?
http://cs.iccup.com/
1.6 yes
and generally it doesnt take long to find pcws etc, i wouldnt say cs is dying in any sence
On October 23 2008 21:45 Hawk wrote:
PLay source, it's better
and LOOOOL to you sir
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1.6 is still really popular, loads of servers and loads of tournies. Probably only slightly less popular than css.
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CS is not dying, it's alive and well. The pro scene is bigger than the source one if I'm not mistaken.
Still, you should get into sc because you won't magically be good at sc2, a lot of the fundamentals will be similar and you will be a lot better from the get go if you get good at brood war first
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On October 23 2008 20:02 Jizz wrote:
Yeah but im not willing to practice for 12 hours a day, join a team, get sponsors, join a league etc. etc.
Theres a decline in the pub servers (i think GA has 4 left or something), pug IRC servers are going down also and a server wont be populated to 10+ players at any one time.
At least in Australia anyways.
I know all the really good players pay like $6 a month to play on some of the better servers. They are, of course, really well moderated at all times, because you have to pay to play.
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On October 23 2008 22:06 riptide wrote:
Over here in Sri Lanka, CS 1.6 is still the biggest multiplayer FPS game. Nobody plays source, possibly because it needs computers with better specs.
Idem in Uruguay, Argentina and Chile...
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maybe other valve fps games are getting in the way?(team fortress 2, half life 2 deathmatch, portal. etc?
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well...I`m sure there were more that played cs 2-3 years ago.
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On October 23 2008 20:10 H_ wrote:
I dunno, I play on AU/NZ servers all the time. The servers are usually near full when I'm around. Dunno about the scrims though because I scrim against american teams (fuck 250 ping yo).
"When I press my ptt key I warp"
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On October 24 2008 00:06 SayaSP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2008 20:10 H_ wrote:
I dunno, I play on AU/NZ servers all the time. The servers are usually near full when I'm around. Dunno about the scrims though because I scrim against american teams (fuck 250 ping yo). "When I press my ptt key I warp"
Warping into B to plant the bomb and headshot some fools whatup
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switching to cs:s seems like the easy answer if you just want to play a quality fps. The other answer is of course to play sc. The community might become split, but since this site at least is a foreign progaming site, it seems likely that we will follow whatever the proscene does. (and hopefully that won't fall apart too badly ><)
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CS 1.6 is really popular here, there is a TON of steam and no-steam servers. (We all know the reason behind that)
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On October 23 2008 19:54 H_ wrote:Are you kidding? CS is still wildly popular. The pro scene is populated, the tournaments still happen. CS:S is only slightly more popular. Shit, just look at this, it's all the proof you need. Your 1.6 buddies are.. not well-informed. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/Hell, go look at Gotfrag's "prize money" section, there's still hundreds of thousands of dollars worldwide being poured into the game.
Steam bugged the stats so that's only the USA's 1.6 stats whilst that's pretty much source being played over the world..
CS might be dying but source is dying just as quickly if not more so.
Before steam decided to take the stats part down and then bug it... it was like CS 1.6 current players playing 300,000 whilst for source it was like 60,000.
Then steam took 1.6 off the stats page then bugged it.
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On October 23 2008 20:24 Jizz wrote:
The Koreans play a game called "Sudden attack". (that name probably sounds badass in korean
Has anyone tried that out?
I think people just call it "sudden" over there. Nothing very bad ass about it... Though it is pretty fun.
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cs will never die. its too fun. they still have it in wcg.
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On October 24 2008 01:00 D00dles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2008 19:54 H_ wrote:Are you kidding? CS is still wildly popular. The pro scene is populated, the tournaments still happen. CS:S is only slightly more popular. Shit, just look at this, it's all the proof you need. Your 1.6 buddies are.. not well-informed. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/Hell, go look at Gotfrag's "prize money" section, there's still hundreds of thousands of dollars worldwide being poured into the game. Steam bugged the stats so that's only the USA's 1.6 stats whilst that's pretty much source being played over the world.. CS might be dying but source is dying just as quickly if not more so. Before steam decided to take the stats part down and then bug it... it was like CS 1.6 current players playing 300,000 whilst for source it was like 60,000. Then steam took 1.6 off the stats page then bugged it.
Uh... I used to play Source ages ago, and I'd like to know what makes you think it is bugged now? For as long as I can remember CS 1.6 was at like 100-120k, while Source was around 30-40k tops, and that was like 3 years ago.
Anyways the rate of adoption of Source has certainly been slow. I'm kind of surprised it has come so far, because when I was playing no one wanted to move over.
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1.6 and Source are still 'popular' (popular being as far as what people play other than WoW) in the UK, but the competitive scene here has always been a shambles. Clans form and fold like every week because the scene is so fucking emo, and the few competitive teams that are LAN worthy here just don't practice as much as our European counterparts to actually do well.
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No way that there are more ppl playing source than CS 1.6.
Well, maybe in the U.S. But not in Europe.
Can't really tell if CS 1.6 is dying personally, since it's immensely popular in Sweden and has always been...
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1.6 still has more big tournaments than Source and both are far from dead.. Myself, I'm more a fan of CS:S since I hardly played the original game and there was no transition to Source for me. Playing 1.6 now feels really weird, I bet it's the same way for 1.6 vets trying out Source and I think this is where the whole rift b/w CS versions started.
Source does have some flaws that should have been looked at by now but I think overall it is suitable as a 1.6 replacement since it is a lot more visually appealing while maintaining a lot of the same gameplay. I repeat though, Source is not a perfect game but saying 1.6 is would be a lie (although 1.6 is probably slightly more suitable for professional play). In the end, the guy who is able to get the accurate shot off faster will get more kills and the team that can run strats better will win more rounds.
I'm gonna say the difference between SC2 and SC will be much more profound than the CS differences though (at least as of now). MBS, unlimited unit selection, automine, smart AI (lings that surround a target intelligently), etc really take away from a lot of the competitive features that made SC such a good e-sport since they're automating the game.
But then again, a game like C&C 3 has some decent money tournaments so there's no telling how SC2 will turn out in that sense
To the OP: I'm sure SC skills will be highly transferable so I'd stick with it for now.
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On October 23 2008 21:45 Hawk wrote:
PLay source, it's better
better yet, play tf2
srsly play tf2, such a badass game. especially if u smoke i swear i'm like the ghandi of tf2 when im high.
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im getting a new comp so i can experience the game in more than the current 15~ fps i average now. im going to be even more awesome of a spy
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CS is utter crap. If RTCW: ET didn't die after the release of ET:QUAKE WARS (utter crap too) then np.
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Bit off topic but since everyone else is talking about TF in a CS thread...
TF2 is fun but very different from team fortress classic. Team fortress forever is a source mod that's a good remake. Check it out.
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Yeah I've heard about it. I liked the original, but TF2 is so damn fun. That cartoony-theme is so awesome; I think that's what makes it stand apart for me.
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On October 24 2008 01:00 D00dles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2008 19:54 H_ wrote:Are you kidding? CS is still wildly popular. The pro scene is populated, the tournaments still happen. CS:S is only slightly more popular. Shit, just look at this, it's all the proof you need. Your 1.6 buddies are.. not well-informed. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/Hell, go look at Gotfrag's "prize money" section, there's still hundreds of thousands of dollars worldwide being poured into the game. Steam bugged the stats so that's only the USA's 1.6 stats whilst that's pretty much source being played over the world.. CS might be dying but source is dying just as quickly if not more so. Before steam decided to take the stats part down and then bug it... it was like CS 1.6 current players playing 300,000 whilst for source it was like 60,000. Then steam took 1.6 off the stats page then bugged it.
It's actually worse than that because the Source numbers include bots, 1.6 numbers don't.
Source was garbage from the beginning and still is. I would fucking love to play Sudden Attack in the US.
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its nowhere near dead, but it is dying
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On October 24 2008 01:38 sqwert wrote:
cs will never die. its too fun. they still have it in wcg.
they have guitar hero too
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1.6 is much more alive in Europe.
Here in North America, most of the big teams switched to Source after signing some deal with CGS. High-level 1.6 in North America is dead compared to what we had in 2002-2005. You can still find scrims easily though for CAL-o - CAL-m level.
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its still big in sweden because sweden is like the korea of CS.
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On October 24 2008 04:15 -slo.m1ke- wrote:
CS is utter crap. If RTCW: ET didn't die after the release of ET:QUAKE WARS (utter crap too) then np.
RTCW: ET was a great multiplayer FPS, I'll agree with you on that.
But CS is not utter crap, and neither is Quake Wars. CS is a great game, it has lasted so long with it's simple, yet deep gameplay.
Quake Wars, on the other hand is extremely underrated because all the realism nubs expected slow gameplay. Instead it perfectly incorporated a fast-paced style of gameplay with a brilliant class system.
If you want some new FPS, try:
-CoD4 and CoD5 (when it's out)
-Team Fortress 2
-Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
-Warsow
Of course, it depends if you like pubbing or not. If you are looking for a competitive team, just try to stick with CS, or go for CoD4, Quake Live, or Warsow.
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Didn't read all the posts in the thread yet, but the game is not dead. There are still plenty of CS 1.6 tournaments throughout the world that professional teams play in such as:
- WCG
- ESWC
- WEG/E-Stars Seoul/WEM
- Intel Extreme Masters
- GameGune
- Dreamhack
CS 1.6 is sort of dead in countries like the United States, China, and Korea. Most of the American pro teams went to CGS, China is more into WC3/WoW/other now, and Korea is into StarCraft and Korean made FPS games. One thing that doesn't make sense is why do Koreans make so many FPS games that are pretty much the same? Sudden Attack, Special Force (American version for iiji is Soldier Front), Black Shot, A.V.A, Combat Arms, and now Counter-Strike: Online?
Also Valve is known to put up fake stats of their games to show that there is almost an equal amount of CS 1.6 and CSS players, but that is false. Before Valve edited the game stats, CS 1.6 has at least 3x more players than CSS. Valve seriously needs to stop with the pointless updates to their games that causes you to either lag out or crash and they should fix CSS at least.
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im a frequent player of cs:s. it seems "easier" than cs 1.6 but i don't know much to begin with. i use cs to relieve stress lol.
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On October 24 2008 08:57 demo1 wrote:
im a frequent player of cs:s. it seems "easier" than cs 1.6 but i don't know much to begin with. i use cs to relieve stress lol.
-Heads are humongous compared to 1.6
-Flashbangs no longer semi-blind when you turn around (veterans know what i'm talking about), they only full blind.
-strange hitboxes
The sad part is that if you join a cs 1.6 deathmatch or server the average person is decent yet the people in source cannot hit another person who is standing right next to them even though its an easier game.
source in general sucks. CS: Source is ok but not as good as the original. DOD:Source is in my opinion crap compared to the original Day of Defeat.
TF2 though is awesome fun especially when you do competetive fighting 6v6s to 8v8s
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I do believe that CS 1.6 is declining
As a 1.6 frequent Player (im sorry BW) i should know
many public servers have been turnned down, that have actually been really kick ass with constant players comming in and out
CS is still there, i mean its not "dead" there are still some servers
I dont know about the proleague, i never watch CS in proleague TVs or such, i just play it with friends
The new patch drops me 50% of the servers i join, Steam needs to seriously work on it
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CS isn't dead. As a cs player i would say its still alive and looking good, for the people that thinks that 1.6 is dead in US your wrong. I know that the 1.6 community in Europe is still very strong, doesn't mean other country's don't play this game nor put up a fight; Just watch the WCG 08 you'll see what i mean.
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It appears that high-end computers are helping to kill off professional gaming. Usually places that have crappy computers have to settle on older (usually better) games for competition.
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I actually saw Sudden Attack at the USA WCG. Pretty fun. The lines were longer for that game then for Gears of War 2. I wouldn't be surprised if we see that game try to make an appearance here in the states.
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On October 23 2008 21:45 Hawk wrote:
PLay source, it's better
better yet, play tf2
lol.
I dunno about australia but CS is still going strong here. I'd dare to say that 1.6 is still a lot more popular than CS:S here, seeing how CS 1.6 is just a better e-sport game that sounds pretty logical.
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On October 24 2008 13:12 XCetron wrote:
It appears that high-end computers are helping to kill off professional gaming. Usually places that have crappy computers have to settle on older (usually better) games for competition.
And you feel like an idiot with your 4870 hd playing sc.
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to answer the question, YES YOU SHOULD BOTHER WITH SC
why?
cuz it fucking owns.. : /
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You guys have no idea what a dead game is. For an example, check out Natural Selection.
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nase2 when?...
and cs1.6 is very popular in euro, its not dead/dying
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