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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
October 04 2009 19:57 GMT
#101
In just the last week there has been a "tsunami" in the scientific world, specifically the world of climate science.

Remember Gores "hockey stick" graph? The one that so graphically shows just how doomed we are? Due to the multi-year persistence of a Canadian mathematician, it was proven this past week that the data used to make that graph was "cherry picked". In other words a large body of data was gone over and most of the data ignored while only those few data points that supported the "researcher's" preconceived notions were selected.

Based on a lie. When all of the data is included, the result is very different. In the graph below, the red line is based on the corrupted data set, the black line includes all data. The world is currently about as warm as at the birth of Christ and nowhere near as warm as was 900 to 1200 AD, the Medieval Warming.

This is a really big crack in the dam.

Lots of fun reading on this one out there. Here is Climate Audit

Good synopsis here

Quote:"The most amazing part of this story from my point of view was the way in which a dogged Canadian mathematician, acting practically alone with the help of his trusty readers, forced the establishment back step by step to explain where the conclusions upon which a trillion dollar public policy came from and insisted on reproducing the results. If ever there was a tale of triumph over dauntless odds — almost to the point of comparing it to breaking the bank — this is it. The story of man’s search for the scientific truth is still ongoing. Research doesn’t end with McIntyre. It may still prove to be the case that the Hockey Stick exists, but it must be shown on the basis of the data, not on the strength of “consensus” and public relations campaigns."

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http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/10/01/the-man-who-broke-the-bank/
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
October 06 2009 00:44 GMT
#102
The demise of the dollar

In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
October 06 2009 22:14 GMT
#103
LONDON (AFP) – The price of gold struck an all-time high at 1,038.65 dollars an ounce here on Tuesday as the dollar fell on a reported plan by Gulf states to stop using the greenback for oil trading.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091006/ts_afp/commoditiesgoldmetalsprice_20091006144514
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8835 Posts
November 25 2009 18:56 GMT
#104
"Canadian claims that hockey stick has illegal curve"

That should be a headline somewhere.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32044 Posts
November 25 2009 19:24 GMT
#105
I think Burke complaining that Willie Mitchell has a really long shaft is way better
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
December 13 2009 03:58 GMT
#106
A Stanford Professor has used United Nation security officers to silence a journalist asking him “inconvenient questions” during a press briefing at the climate change conference in Copenhagen.

Professor Stephen Schneider’s assistant requested armed UN security officers who held film maker Phelim McAleer, ordered him to stop filming and prevented further questioning after the press conference where the Stanford academic was launching a book.


http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/11/un-security-stops-journalists-questions-about-climategate/#more-44722




You guys should be proud of me, I've been refraining from posting a lot of articles.
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6633 Posts
December 13 2009 04:45 GMT
#107
fight_or_flight I've been following this thread since you started it and am always pleased to see it bumped, keep em coming
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
December 28 2009 02:42 GMT
#108
On December 13 2009 13:45 jello_biafra wrote:
fight_or_flight I've been following this thread since you started it and am always pleased to see it bumped, keep em coming

This one is for you. Senator Max Baucus, whose name sounds like Bacchus the Greek god of wine and revelry, shows up drunk on the senate floor. If that isn't enough, he is also head of the finance committee. (Get it? the head of the US senate finance committee is a person whose name literally means drunken orgy.)

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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 04:07:41
January 06 2010 10:14 GMT
#109
Shouting at your wife may get you a criminal record in France

By Peter Allen
Last updated at 12:54 AM on 06th January 2010

Married couples in France could end up with criminal records for insulting each other during arguments.

Under a new law, France is to become the first country in the world to ban ' psychological violence' within marriage.

The law would apply to cohabiting couples and to both men and women.

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said electronic tagging would be used on repeat offenders.

It would cover men who shout at their wives and women who hurl abuse at their husbands - although it was not clear last night if nagging would be viewed as breaking the law.

The law is expected to cover every kind of insult including repeated rude remarks about a partner's appearance, false allegations of infidelity and threats of physical violence.

Police are being urged to issue a caution in the first instance, but repeat offenders could face a fine, a restraining order or even jail.

Critics said the measure was a gimmick produced in response to lobbying by feminists and would be impossible to implement.

But French premier Francois Fillon, who announced the law, said: 'The creation of this offence will allow us to deal with the most insidious situations - situations that leave no visible scars, but which leave victims torn up inside.'

Many believe the offence will be impossible to prove. Psychologist Anne Giraud said: 'Squabbling couples will allege all kinds of things about each other, but often it will be a case of one person's word against the other.'

Sociologist Pierre Bonnet said: 'The next step will be to make rudeness a criminal offence. The police and courts will be over-stretched trying to deal with numerous cases.'

A spokesman for Mr Fillon said the law was supported by the government, and was likely to be implemented within six months.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1240770/France-introduce-new-law-banning-psychological-violence-marriages.html#
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6633 Posts
January 06 2010 13:35 GMT
#110
Haha, it's all about drunk politicians, especially when they have such an appropriate name.

This new French law is pretty absurd, it's gonna mean a lot of work for the police I think lol, I wonder how long it will last :o
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32044 Posts
January 06 2010 14:36 GMT
#111
wtf?? that's insane... does france have lame duck sessions like whats going in some parts of the us now (NJ) where politicians basically try to ram any kind of bill out the door before they leave??
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
January 16 2010 23:25 GMT
#112
Science project prompts SD school evacuation

By Susan Shroder, Union-Tribune Staff Writer

Friday, January 15, 2010 at 2:04 p.m.

SAN DIEGO — Students were evacuated from Millennial Tech Magnet Middle School in the Chollas View neighborhood Friday afternoon after an 11-year-old student brought a personal science project that he had been making at home to school, authorities said.

Maurice Luque, spokesman for the San Diego Fire-Rescue Department, said the student had been making the device in his home garage. A vice principal saw the student showing it to other students at school about 11:40 a.m. Friday and was concerned that it might be harmful, and San Diego police were notified.

The school, which has about 440 students in grades 6 to 8 and emphasizes technology skills, was initially put on lockdown while authorities responded.

Luque said the project was made of an empty half-liter Gatorade bottle with some wires and other electrical components attached. There was no substance inside.

When police and the Metro Arson Strike Team responded, they also found electrical components in the student's backpack, Luque said. After talking to the student, it was decided about 1 p.m. to evacuate the school as a precaution while the item was examined. Students were escorted to a nearby playing field, and parents were called and told they could come pick up their children.

A MAST robot took pictures of the device and X-rays were evaluated. About 3 p.m., the device was determined to be harmless, Luque said.

Luque said the project was intended to be a type of motion-detector device.

Both the student and his parents were "very cooperative" with authorities, Luque said. He said fire officials also went to the student's home and checked the garage to make sure items there were neither harmful nor explosive.

"There was nothing hazardous at the house," Luque said.

The student will not be prosecuted, but authorities were recommending that he and his parents get counseling, the spokesman said. The student violated school policies, but there was no criminal intent, Luque said.

"There will be no (criminal) charges whatsoever," Luque said.

Police and fire officials also will not seek to recover costs associated with responding to the incident, the spokesman said.

Luque said both the student and his parents were extremely upset.

"He was very shaken by the whole situation, as were his parents," Luque said.

The school is located on Carolina Lane near Hilltop Drive.

Adjacent Gompers Charter Middle School was not affected during the incident, police Sgt. Ray Battrick said.

Millennial Middle School opened in fall 2008. It is part of the San Diego Unified School District.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jan/15/students-evacuated-school-chollas-view/


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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
January 16 2010 23:27 GMT
#113
No comments on the above article because its so disgusting and there are so many things wrong its better not to give an opinion.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32044 Posts
January 17 2010 01:59 GMT
#114
good lord people can be fucking stupid

my old hs got locked down a few years ago because some kids took a wad of chalk dust and threw it in another kids face and they thought it was fucking ANTHRAX
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32044 Posts
January 20 2010 14:59 GMT
#115
tossin this in its own thread, but ill drop it here too

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100120/ap_on_hi_te/us_new_york_times_pay_wall
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
January 22 2010 06:45 GMT
#116
Thanks Hawk, this thread is really for any articles anyone wants to post (except sports articles as stated in the OP).

Speaking of sports, why do I disallow sports articles? Because I believe modern sports are taken too seriously by too many people and important issues are ignored. Essentially, it is a form of mind control. Almost everything is a form of mind control. Reading a book, watching a movie, or watching TV is voluntary mind control. TV is especially bad because it puts you into a hypnotic state where your subconscious can be accessed directly.

Previously in this blog I posted an interesting article (more like thesis) someone wrote about how they believed Obama used hypnotic mind control during his campaign trail by the way he prepared for and gave speeches. Even if you think its absolutely ridiculous, I encourage you to read it because it does build a non-trivial case against him. Perhaps it can be dismissed, but it contains non-trivial reasoning.

I mention this because today's article is about a mind control technique called the Delphi Technique, and it is possibly being used to manipulate an unknown fraction of all supposedly democratic decisions, possibly a large fraction. It is very subtle, deceitful, and effective. It can be used everywhere from government decision making all the way down to jury decisions.

I hope the term "mind control" does not bother you. Everything is mind control, including this blog and each article contained in it. It isn't dangerous however because I'm sure everyone's critical brain is engaged when reading it. Subtle methods such as the one below are the worst.

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http://www.seanet.com/~barkonwd/school/DELPHI.HTM

THE DELPHI TECHNIQUE

How to achieve a workable consensus within time limits

by Lynn Stuter

The Delphi Technique was originally conceived as a way to obtain the opinion of experts without necessarily bringing them together face to face. In Educating for the New World Order by Bev Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is "Lay, or community, participation in the decision­making process), while in fact lay citizens are being squeezed out."

A specialized use of this technique was developed for teachers, the "Alinsky Method" (ibid., p. 123). The setting or group is, however, immaterial the point is that people in groups tend to share a certain knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics (known as group dynamics). This allows for a special application of a basic technique. The "change agent" or "facilitator" goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question. The facilitator listens attentively, forms "task forces," "urges everyone to make lists," and so on. While she is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. He/she identifies the "leaders," the "loud mouths," as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument ­ the "weak or non­committal."

Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes "devil's advocate." He/she dons his professional agitator hat. Using the "divide and conquer" technique, he/she manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." He/she wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.


The method works. It is very effective with parents, teachers, school children, and any community group. The "targets" rarely, if ever, know that they are being manipulated. If they do suspect this is happening, they do not know how to end the process. The desired result is for group polarization, and for the facilitator to become accepted as a member of the group and group process. He/she will then throw the desired idea on the table and ask for opinions during discussion. Very soon his/her associates from the divided group begin to adopt the idea as if it were their own, and pressure the entire group to accept the proposition.


This technique is a very unethical method of achieving consensus on a controversial topic in group settings. It requires well­trained professionals who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against the other, so as to make one viewpoint appear ridiculous so the other becomes "sensible" whether such is warranted or not.

DISRUPTING THE DELPHI

Note: The Delphi is being used at all levels of government to move meetings to preset conclusions. For the purposes of this dissertation, "facilitator" references anyone who has been trained in use of the Delphi and who is running a meeting.

There are three steps to diffusing the Delphi Technique when facilitators want to steer a group in a specific direction.

1. Always be charming. Smile. be pleasant. Be Courteous. Moderate your voice so as not to come across as belligerent or aggressive.

2. Stay focused. If at all possible, write your question down to help you stay focused. Facilitators, when asked questions they dent want to answer, often digress from the issue raised and try to work the conversation around to where they can make the individual asking the question look foolish or feel foolish, appear belligerent or aggressive. The goal is to put the one asking the question on the defensive. Do not fall for this tactic. Always be charming, thus deflecting any insinuation. Innuendo, etc. that may be thrown at you in their attempt to put you on the defensive, but bring them back to the question you asked. If they rephrase your question into an accusatory statement (a favorite tactic) simply state, "That is not what I stated. What I asked was... [repeat your question.]" Stay focused on your question.


3. Be persistent. If putting you on the defensive doesn't work, facilitators often resort to long, drawn out dissertations on some off­the­wall and usually unrelated or vaguely related subject that drags on for several minutes. During that time, the crowd or group usually loses focus on the question asked (which is the intent). Let them finish with their dissertation or expose. Then nicely with focus and persistence, state, "But you didn't answer my question. My question was...[repeat your question.]"

Always be charming, stay focused and be persistent. Never, under any circumstance, become angry. Anger directed at the facilitator will immediately make the facilitator the victim. This defeats the purpose which is to make you the victim. The goal of the facilitator is to make those they are facilitating like them, alienating anyone who might pose a threat to the realization of their agenda. [People with fixed belief systems, who know what they believe and stand on what they believe are obvious threats.] If the participant becomes the victim. the facilitator loses face and favor with the crowd. This is why crowds are broken up into groups of seven or eight, why objections are written on cards, not voiced aloud where they are open to public discussion and public debate. It's called crowd control.


It is always good to have someone else, or two or three others who know the Delphi Technique dispersed through the crowd; who, when the facilitator digresses from the question. will stand up and say nicely, "But you didn't answer that lady (/gentleman)'s question The facilitator, even if suspecting you are together, certainly will not want to alienate the crowd by making that accusation. Sometimes it only takes one occurrence of this type for the crowd to figure out what s going on. Sometimes it takes more than one.


If you have an organized group, meet before the meting to strategize. Everyone should know their part. Meet after the meeting to analyze what went right, what went wrong and why, and what needs to happen the next time around. Never meet during the meeting. One of the favorite tactics of the facilitator if the meeting is not going the way they want if they are meeting measurable resistance, is to call a recess. During the recess, the facilitator and his/her spotters (people who wander the room during the course of the meeting, watching the crowd) watch the crowd to see who congregates where, especially those who have offered measurable resistance. If the resistors congregate in one place, a spotter will usually gravitate to that group to join in the conversation and will report back to the facilitator. When the meeting resumes. the facilitator wi11 steer clear of those who are resistors . Do not congregate. Hang loose and work the crowd. Move to where the facilitators or spotters are. Listen to what they have to say, but do not gravitate to where another member of your team is. This strategy also works in a face to face, one on one, meeting with anyone who has been trained in how to use the Delphi Technique.


FROM A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC TO A PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY


With the advent of education reform, the ensuing turmoil among the citizenry, and the grassroots research that has been sparked therefrom, a consistent pattern with respect to public participation and input has emerged, giving cause for alarm among people who cherish the form of government established by our founding fathers. Recent events, both inside and outside education have brought the emerging picture into focus.

In the not too distant past. The hiring of a consultant by the City of Spokane to the tune of $47.000 to facilitate the direction of city government brought a hue and or from the populace at large. Eerily, this scenario held great similarity to what has bean happening in education reform. The final link came in the form of an editorial comment made by

Chris Peck regarding the "Pizza papers." The editorial talks about how groups of disenfranchised citizens were brought together to enter into a discussion of what they felt (as opposed to know) needed to be changed at the local level . The outcome of the compilation of those discussions influenced the writing of the city/county charter.

Sounds innocuous enough. But let s examine this a little closer, Let's walk through the scenario that occurs in these facilitated meetings. First, about the facilitator. The facilitator is hired to facilitate the meeting. While his/her job is supposedly non­directive, neutral, non­judgmental, the opposite is actually true­­the facilitator is there to move the meeting in a preset conclusion. This is done through a process known as the Delphi Technique, developed by the RAND Corporation for the US. Department of Defense as a psychological warfare weapon in the 50s and 60s. Comforting, no doubt. With this established, let's move on to the semantics of the meeting.

It is imperative to the success of the agenda that the participants like the facilitator. Therefore. the facilitator first works the crowd to cause disequilibrium­­establishing a bad guy, good guy scenario. Anyone who might not agree with the facilitator must be seen by the participants as the bad guy, the facilitator the good guy. This is done by seeking out those who might not agree with the facilitator and making them look foolish, inept, or aggressive, sending a clear message to the audience that it if they don't want the same treatment to keep quiet. The facilitator is well trained in how to recognize and exploit many different psychological truisms to dothis. At the point that the opposition has bean identified and alienated, the facilitator becomes the good guy­­a friend­­and the agenda and direction of the meeting is established without the audience ever being aware of th same.

Next, the attendees are broken up into smaller groups ­ usually of seven or eight people ­ each group with a facilitator. Discussion ensues wherein the participants are encouraged to discuss preset issues, the group facilitator employing the same tactics as the lead facilitator. Usually participants are encouraged to put on paper their ideas and disagreements, these to be later compiled by others. Herein lies a very large problem. Who compiles what is written on the sheets of paper, note cards, etc.? When you ask the participants, you usually get, "Well, they compiled the results." Who is "they?" "Well, those running the meeting." Oh­h! The next question is ­ How do you know that what you wrote on your sheet of paper was incorporated into the final outcome? The answer you usually get is, "Well, you know, I've wondered about that, because what I wrote doesn't seem to be reflected here. I guess my viewpoint was in the minority." And there you have the crux of the s situation If you have fifty people in a room, each writes his/her ideas and dislikes on a sheet of paper, to be compiled later into a final outcome, each individual having no idea of what any other individual wrote. How do you know that the final outcome reflects anyone's input? The answer is ­

you don't. The same scenario holds when there is a facilitator recording your comments on paper. But the participants usually don't question this, figuring instead that their viewpoint was in the minority and thus not reflected.

So why have the meetings at all if the outcome is already established? Because it is imperative to the continued well­being of the agenda that the people be facilitated into ownership of the preset outcome. If people believe the idea is theirs, they support it: If the people believe the idea is being foisted on them, they will resist. Likewise, it is imperative to the continued well­being of the agenda that the people perceive that their input counts. This scenario is being used very effectively to move meetings to a preset conclusion, effectively changing our form of government from a representative form of government in which individuals are elected to represent the people. to a "participatory democracy" in which citizens, selected at large, are facilitated into ownership of preset outcomes, perceiving that their input resulted therein, when the reality is that the outcome was already established by people not apparent to the citizen participants.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32044 Posts
January 23 2010 17:22 GMT
#117
I'd argue that the word mind control is horribly used by most people. I mean, in regards to Obama, it's people essentually complaining that his speeches tried to pursuade people to vote for him--every politician does that. Being a good orator and using certain style of speech because it's effective and resonates doesn't constitute mind control. There's tons of other factors of why people were into Obama, foremost being probably that he wasn't part of the republican party that was in power for eight years. That was voter backlash. And regarding the Delphi Technique (I only read this article, not the one from earlier in the thread, so I may come back later) there's a lot of things that don't match up with the Obama claims. It mentions tossing out surveys and other material to make people become owners of the idea. There wasn't much of that in his campaign. The divisiveness wasnt there either. If anything, he used a lot of 'we' 'the american people' 'everyone' etc. Though he'd occasionally reference something about the past administration during his campaign, it was more about coming together for change. Another key part of the Delphi was breaking down crowds into much smaller groups. That rarely happenedi n person, and was impossible over the tv, which is where he was most.

I think most damning to that hypothesis is that you can't find any kind of intelligent discussion about it anywhere unless you look at extreme right wing websites. Not that I'd expect a liberal site to back it...but there's a hell of a lot of independent voters and groups in this country. You can't find a credible site that back that idea.

Even your use of it regards to sports, tv, etc., I don't think it's correct (though I do agree with sports articles being kept out of here; this is more for important issues, not fun stuff). Any time that you open a book, turning on the tv, it's mind control? I'd say more like tuning out other stimulis, not really mind control. If you're a staunch republican and you read some pro-liberal thing, is that mind control, or is it just seeing the other sidee of the argument? Under what you said, it would seem reading to become more informed by looking up something you don't agree with would fall under mind control. I just don't agree. It's an often mis-used word.

anyway, im gonna go eat and maybe Ill find that article later. What did you think of the one I posted, the campaign reform? That's gonna have a pretty big impact
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
January 24 2010 00:50 GMT
#118
The Obama article has no relation to the one I just posted. Actually, I don't really recommend everyone to read it because its not written very well and the author keeps repeating himself over and over, which is funny because thats one of the things he accuses Obama of...lol. He also has this bold banner at the top and bottom of each page.

I did find it really interesting though because its not just being a "good orator", its legitimate hypnotic mind control that the author is arguing he used. Pacing, word plays, voice tones, and pauses.....very interesting.

Just googled and found another copy of it: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7419327/Obama-Hypnosis-A-Theory-By-The-Right

Anyway, the above articles are just conjecture, but I still hold to the principle that all media and social interactions are potentially mind control. Just as you mentioned the word "Republican", we are surrounded by false dichotomies. Every stimuli molds our opinions and unwittingly effects our thinking. Even the word "opinion" which is so commonly used nowadays is implies relativity. Is everything relative? I don't know, but I realize that I don't know it rather than being conditioned to just assume its true.

A conservative reading a pro-liberal book is probably the least effective form of mind control. Reading the Obama article was helpful to be because, the claims aside, it gave me a deeper understanding of how mind control works. When you're in critical thinking mode, it is not very effective as in the example above. A conservative reading a conservative book is a much better example of mind control.

There is a reason why people from different cultures can be completely different and potentially have a different "moral compass". Its because of the upbringing and conditioning everyday life. People in Iran aren't all hypnotized at the age of 10 to believe that women should do this or that. Therefore, this influence must come from another source.

Sports and tv in themselves control people not by causing them to do something (except sometimes tv) but rather by keeping them focused on something.

Another example of controlled thinking is that you mentioned something damning to this hypothesis is that there are no credible websites discussing it. Of course one should consider the facts independently and come up with one's own opinion. You're right though that there is no link between the two articles I mentioned (Obama's article vs the Delphi technique article) they are only independent examples.

I didn't see your campaign finance reform article, but I agree its a big deal. Why? Again, it comes back to mind control and the fact that repeating someone's name and face over and over again has real results.
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Just posted this in the campaign finance thread. Just more lies that people don't question.

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Wow, the UK has sunk to a new low yet again. Police will now be getting spy drones? When does this end?

I guess now there truly will be an eye in the sky.

CCTV in the sky: police plan to use military-style spy drones
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CCTV in the sky: police plan to use military-style spy drones

Arms manufacturer BAE Systems developing national strategy with consortium of government agencies
Drones could be used for civilian surveillance in the UK as early as 2012. Source: BAE

Police in the UK are planning to use unmanned spy drones, controversially deployed in Afghanistan, for the ­"routine" monitoring of antisocial motorists, ­protesters, agricultural thieves and fly-tippers, in a significant expansion of covert state surveillance.

The arms manufacturer BAE Systems, which produces a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for war zones, is adapting the military-style planes for a consortium of government agencies led by Kent police.

Documents from the South Coast Partnership, a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan with BAE, have been obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.

They reveal the partnership intends to begin using the drones in time for the 2012 Olympics. They also indicate that police claims that the technology will be used for maritime surveillance fall well short of their intended use – which could span a range of police activity – and that officers have talked about selling the surveillance data to private companies. A prototype drone equipped with high-powered cameras and sensors is set to take to the skies for test flights later this year.

The Civil Aviation Authority, which regulates UK airspace, has been told by BAE and Kent police that civilian UAVs would "greatly extend" the government's surveillance capacity and "revolutionise policing". The CAA is currently reluctant to license UAVs in normal airspace because of the risk of collisions with other aircraft, but adequate "sense and avoid" systems for drones are only a few years away.

Five other police forces have signed up to the scheme, which is considered a pilot preceding the countrywide adoption of the technology for "surveillance, monitoring and evidence gathering". The partnership's stated mission is to introduce drones "into the routine work of the police, border authorities and other government agencies" across the UK.

Concerned about the slow pace of progress of licensing issues, Kent police's assistant chief constable, Allyn Thomas, wrote to the CAA last March arguing that military drones would be useful "in the policing of major events, whether they be protests or the ­Olympics". He said interest in their use in the UK had "developed after the terrorist attack in Mumbai" [thank god they will stop terrorists -fof].

Stressing that he was not seeking to interfere with the regulatory process, Thomas pointed out that there was "rather more urgency in the work since Mumbai and we have a clear deadline of the 2012 Olympics".

BAE drones are programmed to take off and land on their own, stay airborne for up to 15 hours and reach heights of 20,000ft, making them invisible from the ground.

Far more sophisticated than the remote-controlled rotor-blade robots that hover 50-metres above the ground – which police already use – BAE UAVs are programmed to undertake specific operations. They can, for example, deviate from a routine flightpath after encountering suspicious ­activity on the ground, or undertake numerous reconnaissance tasks simultaneously.

The surveillance data is fed back to control rooms via monitoring equipment such as high-definition cameras, radar devices and infrared sensors.

Previously, Kent police has said the drone scheme was intended for use over the English Channel to monitor shipping and detect immigrants crossing from France. However, the documents suggest the maritime focus was, at least in part, a public relations strategy designed to minimise civil liberty concerns.

"There is potential for these [maritime] uses to be projected as a 'good news' story to the public rather than more 'big brother'," a minute from the one of the earliest meetings, in July 2007, states.

Behind closed doors, the scope for UAVs has expanded significantly. Working with various policing organisations as well as the Serious and Organised Crime Agency, the Maritime and Fisheries Agency, HM Revenue and Customs and the UK Border Agency, BAE and Kent police have drawn up wider lists of potential uses.

One document lists "[b][detecting] theft from cash machines, preventing theft of tractors and monitoring antisocial driving" as future tasks for police drones, while another states the aircraft could be used for road and railway monitoring, search and rescue, event security and covert urban surveillance.[b]

Under a section entitled "Other routine tasks (Local Councils) – surveillance", another document states the drones could be used to combat "fly-posting, fly-tipping, abandoned vehicles, abnormal loads, waste management".

Senior officers have conceded there will be "large capital costs" involved in buying the drones, but argue this will be shared by various government agencies. [apparently sharing among government agencies reduces the cost -fof] They also say unmanned aircraft are no more intrusive than CCTV cameras and far cheaper to run than helicopters.

Partnership officials have said the UAVs could raise revenue from private companies. At one strategy meeting it was proposed the aircraft could undertake commercial work during spare time to offset some of the running costs.

There are two models of BAE drone under consideration, neither of which has been licensed to fly in non-segregated airspace by the CAA. The Herti (High Endurance Rapid Technology Insertion) is a five-metre long aircraft that the Ministry of Defence deployed in Afghanistan for tests in 2007 and 2009.

CAA officials are sceptical that any Herti-type drone manufacturer can develop the technology to make them airworthy for the UK before 2015 at the earliest. However the South Coast Partnership has set its sights on another BAE prototype drone, the GA22 airship, developed by Lindstrand Technologies which would be subject to different regulations. BAE and Kent police believe the 22-metre long airship could be certified for civilian use by 2012.

Military drones have been used extensively by the US to assist reconnaissance and airstrikes in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But their use in war zones has been blamed for high civilian death tolls.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones

They aren't even trying to hide their deals anymore.

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In related news, good thing the UK has plenty of plainclothes cops who will rough up any potential terrorist liberal arts students.

Basically an 18 year old violinist kid from the city's Creative and Performing Arts High School had a mountain dew in his pocket, when three plainclothes cops converge on him. He thinks he is being abducted or something so he resists.....then they hit him with a stun gun, beat him with a stick (penetrating his gums with it), tear his hair out, and put him in the hospital.

The response? He is being charged with assault and resisting arrest, and the cops are being "reassigned" to uniform duty.

Student: ‘Beating So Bad Thought I Was Going To Die’
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http://www.wpxi.com/news/22311848/detail.html

PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh police Chief Nate Harper said three plainclothes officers have been reassigned during an internal investigation into the beating of an 18-year-old student violinist from the city's Creative and Performing Arts High School.

Police charged Jordan Miles, 18, with assault and resisting arrest Jan. 11 because, they said, he fought with the officers who thought a "heavy object" in his coat was a gun. It turned out to be a bottle of Mountain Dew.

Miles said he resisted because he thought the men were trying to abduct him and didn't identify themselves as police.

Miles' family and attorney said he was hit with a stun gun and hospitalized after the violent Homewood struggle during which a chunk of his hair was yanked out and a tree branch went through his gums.

"I was accused for something I never had anything to do with," said Miles, an honor student at CAPA. "I was completely innocent. They couldn't find anything."

Police took Miles to a Pittsburgh hospital for treatment. The student said he had to go back after he was released from custody.

"I want my son's life restored, that's all," said Miles' mother, Terez Miles. "I just want his life to go back to the way that it was before."

City officials are conducting a full investigation, spokeswoman Diane Richard told Channel 11 News.

Reportedly the officers identified themselves as police. According to officials, the officers have been moved from plain clothes detail to uniformed duty.
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