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On September 08 2008 20:56 iG.ClouD wrote:
Don't get involved with christians and never fall in love with a christian girl. They are the most pityful, close minded people you could find on this world. Remember, no one is as racist as christian believers.
Then you must be very ignorant. But that is simply not true. Atleast you shouldnt generalize it. I know plenty of Christian ppl, and NONE of them are even remotly racist.
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On September 08 2008 22:43 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2008 20:56 iG.ClouD wrote:
Don't get involved with christians and never fall in love with a christian girl. They are the most pityful, close minded people you could find on this world. Remember, no one is as racist as christian believers. Then you must be very ignorant. But that is simply not true. Atleast you shouldnt generalize it. I know plenty of Christian ppl, and NONE of them are even remotly racist.
I would go ahead and take a guess that he meant discriminatory, prejudice, or something of that nature.
With regards to the topic at hand, I think it's entirely possible to have a relationship with someone of differing religious beliefs. My father is a practicing Catholic (goes to Church every Sunday, etc) and my mom is an agnostic. Both sides just respect each others choices and the right of others to make that choice themselves. As far as I know, neither side tries to convert the other. I was baptized and raised Catholic but I'm a skeptic so eventually I moved to being an agnostic. My dad wasn't happy but he let me make my own choice and never gives me crap about it. In fact, I probably pester him by questioning his beliefs more than anything. He's tolerant though and he answers my questions to the best of his abilities.
So yes, you can have a good, meaningful relationship with someone with a different religion or lack thereof. It just requires both parties to NOT BE FUCKING RETARDED.
As for everyone saying that religious people are trying to convert others out of love, I call bullshit. You're either retarded, inconsiderate, or both if you go by that. You can think you're saving someone but if they really don't want to be "saved" and you've got no proof to support your side, it doesn't work. Just because you think you're doing things the "right" way doesn't give you any right to try to cram it down anyone else's throat unless you've got some cold hard proof. Helping someone off of some drug that is killing them, good. Trying to convince someone that they should like the color blue as much as you, fucking retarded.
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On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse
This guy hit the essence of it for me.
The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind.
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On September 08 2008 13:18 8Pylon wrote:Enough said
FSM isn't just a religion; it's a way of life.
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On September 08 2008 23:24 Track wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse This guy hit the essence of it for me. The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind.
Faith is all about believing in God. 100% certnanty of somthing you cannot see. Thats faith. To doubt that, is in other hand, to not believe in God. Which breaks the whole effect and essence of the belief. Its like jumping between atheism and agnostic. Make up your mind already! right? ^^
Theist ---------- Agnostic --------- Atheist
The effect of the belief gets broken if you go into the lines. Get it? But for an Atheist, the effect is not the same, its human to only believe in what you can see, and to stick with it, its just a excuse to do whatever you want. And if you reconsider, it doesnt have any consequenses. Its not a lifestyle, like beeing a Theist is. Its a difference in open mindness. Doesnt mean Christians arent openminded. There are just some basics. Just like you have, that you dont believe in anything you cannot see. Once you doubt that due to you experiencing something, you suddently become thoughtful and agnostic.
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On September 09 2008 00:23 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2008 23:24 Track wrote:On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse This guy hit the essence of it for me. The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind. Faith is all about believing in God. 100% certnanty of somthing you cannot see. Thats faith. To doubt that, is in other hand, to not believe in God. Which breaks the whole effect and essence of the belief. Its like jumping between atheism and agnostic. Make up your mind already! right? ^^ Theist ---------- Agnostic --------- Atheist The effect of the belief gets broken if you go into the lines. Get it? But for an Atheist, the effect is not the same, its human to only believe in what you can see, and to stick with it, its just a excuse to do whatever you want. And if you reconsider, it doesnt have any consequenses. Its not a lifestyle, like beeing a Theist is. Its a difference in open mindness. Doesnt mean Christians arent openminded. There are just some basics. Just like you have, that you dont believe in anything you cannot see. Once you doubt that due to you experiencing something, you suddently become thoughtful and agnostic.
For the sake for Track, I would just say faith and believing in God is not the issue, although it is relevant to the topic on hand. It is true that Christians aren't always open minded and no one knows everything. It takes what maturity and wisdom to know what is safe to be open about and what is not. Therefore not being truly open does have its merits. On the safe side, most of them play defense first (sometimes too radically till it freaks people out), until maturity comes in due time. I find fully and truly matured Christians among the most mind-liberated people in the world.
Openness does not mean influence, although the chances of influence are higher, since it is still the individual's personal will of choice. The tricky part to Christians is that being open minded actually means acceptance but conditional approval. I think she can still accept your differing faith with unconditional love as a person but do not agree and approve of it/part of it. I hope this helps you.
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On September 09 2008 01:07 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2008 00:23 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 08 2008 23:24 Track wrote:On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse This guy hit the essence of it for me. The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind. Faith is all about believing in God. 100% certnanty of somthing you cannot see. Thats faith. To doubt that, is in other hand, to not believe in God. Which breaks the whole effect and essence of the belief. Its like jumping between atheism and agnostic. Make up your mind already! right? ^^ Theist ---------- Agnostic --------- Atheist The effect of the belief gets broken if you go into the lines. Get it? But for an Atheist, the effect is not the same, its human to only believe in what you can see, and to stick with it, its just a excuse to do whatever you want. And if you reconsider, it doesnt have any consequenses. Its not a lifestyle, like beeing a Theist is. Its a difference in open mindness. Doesnt mean Christians arent openminded. There are just some basics. Just like you have, that you dont believe in anything you cannot see. Once you doubt that due to you experiencing something, you suddently become thoughtful and agnostic. For the sake for Track, I would just say faith and believing in God is not the issue, although it is relevant to the topic on hand. It is true that Christians aren't always open minded and no one knows everything. It takes what maturity and wisdom to know what is safe to be open about and what is not. Therefore not being truly open does have its merits. On the safe side, most of them play defense first (sometimes too radically till it freaks people out), until maturity comes in due time. I find fully and truly matured Christians among the most mind-liberated people in the world. Openness does not mean influence, although the chances of influence are higher, since it is still the individual's personal will of choice. The tricky part to Christians is that being open minded actually means acceptance but conditional approval. I think she can still accept your differing faith with unconditional love as a person but do not agree and approve of it/part of it. I hope this helps you.
I dont deny that love cannot find place between the two. But the relationship between them, if its going to last a lifetime, will not be whole, unless the most important thing in the womans life, can be shared and understood.
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Yeah, and that was the problem. She felt I couldn't share in that fundamental aspect.
I have yet to find truly open minded Christians ANYWHERE. In my experience, when one shares that he is not a Christian, I get the "aww, you're just not mature enough yet." with a smug and condescending look. It's a pity really that Christians are mandated NOT to be tolerant of others beliefs. It's a canon of Christian doctrine to try to convert.
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On September 08 2008 14:51 fgsvsd wrote:
Just make her so wet in her panties that she leaves religion for you.
Yes, this. I have done this before. I converted my ex in a 45 minute conversation. I just pointed out all the inconsistencies in her believes and showed her that she really didnt believe in christianity. A true believer cant be converted so easily though.
Oh, and why the fuck are her parents making this decision for her? I lol at people who cant decide on things for themselves. "Im so stupid I am going to let other people tell me how to live my life."
You are probably better off without her.
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On September 09 2008 00:23 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2008 23:24 Track wrote:On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse This guy hit the essence of it for me. The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind. Faith is all about believing in God. 100% certnanty of somthing you cannot see. Thats faith. To doubt that, is in other hand, to not believe in God. Which breaks the whole effect and essence of the belief. Its like jumping between atheism and agnostic. Make up your mind already! right? ^^ Theist ---------- Agnostic --------- Atheist The effect of the belief gets broken if you go into the lines. Get it? But for an Atheist, the effect is not the same, its human to only believe in what you can see, and to stick with it, its just a excuse to do whatever you want. And if you reconsider, it doesnt have any consequenses. Its not a lifestyle, like beeing a Theist is. Its a difference in open mindness. Doesnt mean Christians arent openminded. There are just some basics. Just like you have, that you dont believe in anything you cannot see. Once you doubt that due to you experiencing something, you suddently become thoughtful and agnostic.
wrong, christians are closed minded because they arent even willing to consider believes that differ from their own.
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On September 09 2008 03:30 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2008 00:23 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 08 2008 23:24 Track wrote:On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse This guy hit the essence of it for me. The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind. Faith is all about believing in God. 100% certnanty of somthing you cannot see. Thats faith. To doubt that, is in other hand, to not believe in God. Which breaks the whole effect and essence of the belief. Its like jumping between atheism and agnostic. Make up your mind already! right? ^^ Theist ---------- Agnostic --------- Atheist The effect of the belief gets broken if you go into the lines. Get it? But for an Atheist, the effect is not the same, its human to only believe in what you can see, and to stick with it, its just a excuse to do whatever you want. And if you reconsider, it doesnt have any consequenses. Its not a lifestyle, like beeing a Theist is. Its a difference in open mindness. Doesnt mean Christians arent openminded. There are just some basics. Just like you have, that you dont believe in anything you cannot see. Once you doubt that due to you experiencing something, you suddently become thoughtful and agnostic. wrong, christians are closed minded because they arent even willing to consider believes that differ from their own.
agree, whereas any good atheist would denounce their beliefs in a heartbeat if enough evidence was provided to convince them otherwise.
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On September 08 2008 22:43 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2008 20:56 iG.ClouD wrote:
Don't get involved with christians and never fall in love with a christian girl. They are the most pityful, close minded people you could find on this world. Remember, no one is as racist as christian believers. Then you must be very ignorant. But that is simply not true. Atleast you shouldnt generalize it. I know plenty of Christian ppl, and NONE of them are even remotly racist.
The very fundament of christian religion is based on the belief that whoever doesn't get baptized hasn't to be considered a son of god. People who respect other cultures and live along with them without trying to conquer over their habits and religion are not considered true christians. And I might know a little about this since I live in the biggest christian country of the world. Sadly.
Even their name is disrespectful. They should be called churchians.
I feel sorry for Track to be in the situation he is. But seriously what can a person who has closed his own heart and eyes to the whole universe give to you? No christian ever gave me the slightiest impression of being able to give me an emotion. They are no different from a child who has his mom next to him ready to answer to any provocation given to him in his place.
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On September 09 2008 00:04 AlabasterFilth wrote:FSM isn't just a religion; it's a way of life.
lol :D
On September 09 2008 03:56 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2008 03:30 Mastermind wrote:On September 09 2008 00:23 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 08 2008 23:24 Track wrote:On September 08 2008 12:54 fusionsdf wrote:
I think the annoying thing is that its an irreconcilable difference for one side
I know as an atheist, I wouldnt refuse to date/marry a girl because she was christian, but it certainly doesnt work the same way in reverse This guy hit the essence of it for me. The fact that we had differing faiths was never a problem. We talked about it, and I loved the fact that she had an open mind. But I guess that changed for her. The thing that I despise most about Christianity is that it doesn't allow its followers to admit that they do not have exclusive possession of truth. It doesn't allow a truly open mind. Faith is all about believing in God. 100% certnanty of somthing you cannot see. Thats faith. To doubt that, is in other hand, to not believe in God. Which breaks the whole effect and essence of the belief. Its like jumping between atheism and agnostic. Make up your mind already! right? ^^ Theist ---------- Agnostic --------- Atheist The effect of the belief gets broken if you go into the lines. Get it? But for an Atheist, the effect is not the same, its human to only believe in what you can see, and to stick with it, its just a excuse to do whatever you want. And if you reconsider, it doesnt have any consequenses. Its not a lifestyle, like beeing a Theist is. Its a difference in open mindness. Doesnt mean Christians arent openminded. There are just some basics. Just like you have, that you dont believe in anything you cannot see. Once you doubt that due to you experiencing something, you suddently become thoughtful and agnostic. wrong, christians are closed minded because they arent even willing to consider believes that differ from their own. agree, whereas any good atheist would denounce their beliefs in a heartbeat if enough evidence was provided to convince them otherwise.
exactly I dont think much else is needed to be said
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On September 09 2008 04:16 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2008 22:43 ThePhan2m wrote:On September 08 2008 20:56 iG.ClouD wrote:
Don't get involved with christians and never fall in love with a christian girl. They are the most pityful, close minded people you could find on this world. Remember, no one is as racist as christian believers. Then you must be very ignorant. But that is simply not true. Atleast you shouldnt generalize it. I know plenty of Christian ppl, and NONE of them are even remotly racist. The very fundament of christian religion is based on the belief that whoever doesn't get baptized hasn't to be considered a son of god. People who respect other cultures and live along with them without trying to conquer over their habits and religion are not considered true christians. And I might know a little about this since I live in the biggest christian country of the world. Sadly. Even their name is disrespectful. They should be called churchians. I feel sorry for Track to be in the situation he is. But seriously what can a person who has closed his own heart and eyes to the whole universe give to you? No christian ever gave me the slightiest impression of being able to give me an emotion. They are no different from a child who has his mom next to him ready to answer to any provocation given to him in his place.
You must live around some crappy Christians. I still don't see how Christians are racist from the comments you just made either. Not all Christians in the world are out to convert people because their pastor tells them to or they might not go to heaven. If you understand the Christian ideology, then you'd know that faith alone gets one to heaven, not the shit they do (like Catholics). Yes Christians stress Evangelism, the spreading of Christianity to nonbelievers, yet a good number don't believe it should be enforced. It's just a good thing to do if you, a Christian, want to save your nonbelieving family and friends and if you are brave, strangers.
The "true Christians" aren't the ones who try to conquer people to their religions. They are the fucked up ones who make every Christian in the world look bad.
Christians aren't like the Zerg where God is the Overmind and all the Zerglings are rabid Christians. I'd say... more like Protoss with their different tribes..
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Christians aren't like the Zerg where God is the Overmind and all the Zerglings are rabid Christians. I'd say... more like Protoss with their different tribes..
First of all, Starcraft is nice, but try to get a life, or something equivalent.
Secondly, christianism has ALWAYS tried, by any way, to extend and to convince everybody that they hold the truth.
In middle age you would be burned alive if you didn't follow exactly was the church was saying. Then, it has always been on the wrong side: the Church has been supporting all the monarchies in Europe, then Mussolini, Franco, every single dictature in South America. They didn't do shit about nazism.
Now, American evangelists are going to the last South American tribes, in the middle of the jungle, trying to convince them with their bullshit and american lifestyle, and destroying their culture and ancestral traditions and way of life.
They are still against contraception and therefore against condoms. In Africa, by their actions, they are directly responsible of the long and painfull death of hundred thousand people, who believed what they said: condom is eviiiil.
Sorry, but when I hear about Christianism, the "religion of love", I find it quite funny.
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For the last time, it's not that she thinks you're a bad person, or even wrong. It's not that she thinks she's better than you in the slightest. It's that, if she did enter a serious relationship with you, she would end up meeting guys who she can talk to about Christianity, guys to pray with, etc.. People she can forge a powerful connection she cannot get with you.
It's not your fault. You just don't have what she needs. Yes, you can still have a relationship, and maybe a damn good one. But you can't have what a lot of Christians really want out of a relationship.
She isn't bad. You aren't bad. Her parents aren't bad. Her parents are right, actually. Because they understand this connection, and they realize that if their daughter commits to you, she'll only find out later what she's missing. (As was exactly described in the following message.. She joined a group. A group where she met people who she can connect with.. She realized what she needed.)
dated this girl 3 years, from day 1 i asked her if religion would be an issue: "No" was always the answer.
we end up going to same college she joins some christian group, in 5 weeks she dumps me because i am not one who believes.
it sucks hard, i can assure you. but as people have stated this post, religion is a big part of their lives and being able to share it is VERY important to them.
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I don't like christians for this reason. They are completely blind sheep. They have no thoughts of their own and merely believe whatever the first person they hear tells them. If you try to throw any things like "logic" or "facts" at them they merely brush them aside as if you didn't say anything, and they ALWAYS think they are better than you and that you are just a poor lost soul and they "hope that one day you will find your faith".... what a joke.
Coincidentally these are many of the traits that i often see in stupid people. Go figure.
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On September 09 2008 09:32 Tinithor wrote:
I don't like christians for this reason. They are completely blind sheep. They have no thoughts of their own and merely believe whatever the first person they hear tells them. If you try to throw any things like "logic" or "facts" at them they merely brush them aside as if you didn't say anything, and they ALWAYS think they are better than you and that you are just a poor lost soul and they "hope that one day you will find your faith".... what a joke.
Coincidentally these are many of the traits that i often see in stupid people. Go figure.
You obviously dont know many Christians then.
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On September 09 2008 08:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +Christians aren't like the Zerg where God is the Overmind and all the Zerglings are rabid Christians. I'd say... more like Protoss with their different tribes.. First of all, Starcraft is nice, but try to get a life, or something equivalent. Secondly, christianism has ALWAYS tried, by any way, to extend and to convince everybody that they hold the truth. In middle age you would be burned alive if you didn't follow exactly was the church was saying. Then, it has always been on the wrong side: the Church has been supporting all the monarchies in Europe, then Mussolini, Franco, every single dictature in South America. They didn't do shit about nazism. Now, American evangelists are going to the last South American tribes, in the middle of the jungle, trying to convince them with their bullshit and american lifestyle, and destroying their culture and ancestral traditions and way of life. They are still against contraception and therefore against condoms. In Africa, by their actions, they are directly responsible of the long and painfull death of hundred thousand people, who believed what they said: condom is eviiiil. Sorry, but when I hear about Christianism, the "religion of love", I find it quite funny.
you are a dip
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