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I'm thinking TvZ would involve some kind of mass bunker to victory. -.-, otherwise, just mech with wraith harrass.
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Z > P, Z can mass mass mass muta and P can do nothing about it. vs like 4 control groups of muta you need mael or sairs, meanwhile those things are why you don't see 4 control groups of muta made ever
muta micro didn't exist back then but it doesn't even matter as the trick there is to keep your mutas spread thin so that storm and archon splash don't do much
i'd say T = Z until you throw extremely gosu muta micro and defiler use into the equation. there's no stim but there's no lurkers, it's basically a macro suicide fest similar to how warcraft 2 played. but with today's standard of micro i don't see any terran getting past muta harrassment.
the guy above me is right that bunkers do play a much bigger role, though. bunkers are good, it's just that medics are so much better
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TvZ on Vanilla is hit 'n miss in my opinion. If your opponent has the ability to micro his mutas properly, then life can be difficult due to lack of medics, but other than that, it's qutie balanced.
My opening bo vs zerg's on vanilla is always 2rax into a CC, it's pretty good build. After the completion of your cc, you must then adapt your opponent's build order.
If he goes muta, then try and aim for a quick science vessel build while pumping on 5 rax. If he goes Hydra go 2 fac tanks while pumping on 4 rax or so!
Remember grades are pretty vital in SC!
Europe has some nice Vanilla players, the Clan Lordz and mL are pretty respectable.
Msg me sometime, we can play a few!
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I think channel Pogi at east is the best channel for vanilla starcraft.
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Idk but its cool hearing about chan 55...my friend and buddies started that channel along time about...now they are on east in chan pogi....a lot of them are 2s players and very gosu.
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ladder challenges was the best channel.... dunno if it still is!
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To play T you wanna do a biometal terran always. Start with 2 rax rines with u238 shells, then vults/mines, and siege tanks. Obviously need to bring scv with you constantly to make bunkers/depots/turrets. Build goliaths if needed as well, but BC might be better.
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Apparantly none of you play Vanilla at the highest level.
@ US East, pogi is the biggest channel, and it has the most random skill levels.
TvZ you really just play it normally, but you have to save your stims, and use them at the best time, and there is really no SKTerran, you must go 2 fact tanks usually.
PvZ is almost the same, bar the corsair harass.
ZvP you play more oldschool sauron style.
ZvT you can muta harrass into mass sauron hydra, or just muta/ling etc, almost anything works.
TvP is much easier with no threat of dt.
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On August 22 2008 20:23 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
TvP is much easier with no threat of dt/reaver.
??? I'm under the impression reaver was in vanilla too.
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On August 22 2008 20:26 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2008 20:23 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
TvP is much easier with no threat of dt/reaver. ??? I'm under the impression reaver was in vanilla too.
It is, I just made a mistake.
I got 2 hours of sleep, and vs most vanilla tosses, they try to push a macro war, no reavers.
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logged on vanilla to see if these guys are any good. No one will play me 1v1 and only games i see are fastest games.
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Ladder Challenges always had the highest skill level in US East when l played!
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Ladder challenges is now Pogi
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On August 22 2008 20:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:
logged on vanilla to see if these guys are any good. No one will play me 1v1 and only games i see are fastest games.
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As I said...most of the people in pogi play 2s or 3s....and are gosu team players...
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You have to go to channel pogi at mid day/night.
Best gamers are in clans like v.S) Oi) uC) sS).
Skew used to smurf around there.
rS.Fayth smurfs around too.
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http://www.sc-1.net/ That ladder has so much potential btw. I like that there are replays of every game, nice to watch. But they missed to introduce it to east where most people play. Would be really fun if we could make it more active cause vanilla really miss a ladder I think.
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Pogi used to be pimp back in the day and it's still active. Don't know anyone there these days though. LC died I think, as did toyland. So did starcraft newbies 
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I always thought P > T since carriers are rigged with no goliath range to counter them.
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Pogi is mostly BGH/hunters players who refuse to play anything other than hunters and in a game with less than 4 people in it (2v2). There are exceptions to the rule but they are few and not that good. Cristal is mostly money mappers, once again with only a few exceptions.
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On August 22 2008 20:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:
logged on vanilla to see if these guys are any good. No one will play me 1v1 and only games i see are fastest games.
Some vanilla players came into a channel (admittedly on east) and completely owned a bunch of C level players with only vanilla units. They were playing on BW but just weren't used to the units.
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many of the best vanilla players actually do play on iccup, and are mainly in the C to C+ range.
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Anyone wanna post some good vanilla T reps? I have no idea about anything in vanilla lol.
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Sunkens and contain hat are way cooler in sc. Also gaurdians fucking rock.Mass zealot/temp is SOOO much harder to beat then bw. Toss has no good anti-air, so overlords everywhere and airunits + sunkens are super imbalance.
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On August 23 2008 00:19 GeneralStan wrote:
I always thought P > T since carriers are rigged with no goliath range to counter them.
Yeah it's soooo annoying trying to stop carriers with no goliath range.
Especially on lost temple, P can just park their carriers over the cliff by your natural and they're pretty much invincible.
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On August 23 2008 03:35 Luddite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2008 00:19 GeneralStan wrote:
I always thought P > T since carriers are rigged with no goliath range to counter them. Yeah it's soooo annoying trying to stop carriers with no goliath range. Especially on lost temple, P can just park their carriers over the cliff by your natural and they're pretty much invincible.
Lol 'nilla TvP on Lost Temple is like "OH HI I CAN TURTLE IN MY CLIFF MAIN, WALL THE RAMP, TAKE THE ISLAND EXPO BY FLOATING A CC, AND DENY YOUR NAT WITH CLIFF TANKS, GG."
Please.
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If any one wants to play me on Vanilla I'm using thebOy[MB] and you can find me in op m-b!
Btw, I have SC version of Python 1,3 and Peaks 2.4  Makes a change not using LT everytime!
Also, Blitz X works aswell!
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Are there any player on vanilla starcraft? I played it for a long time (98-05), and try it again nowdays. Sadly recognized, there aren't any games, just bw.
Which channel is for vanilla players on which gateway?
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