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iakNab
131 Posts
On August 19 2008 04:39 travis wrote: OP is a total noob ur playing starcraft, not some game with rules you've made up in your head learn to counter cheese. u think pros never deal with cheese? you're wrong Op would trash you this doesn't justify his disappointment though | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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johnmaster
125 Posts
and block entrance with supply supply barracks everygame vs p. and use scv to scout for proxies etc. not hard to counter cheeses. once u succesfully defend the cheese your enemy is behind and u have advantage. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32163 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On August 19 2008 04:51 MasterReY wrote: wait can you tell me what exactly the OP wants to criticise about this rule? i think its perfectly fine or i dont understand it.... :/ the rule is ok but the admin's interpretation of it is bad. a protoss stealing a terran's gas isn't a huge advantage for the protoss. it's just one way the game can play out. i'd like to hear iccup admin's prove that protoss gas steal pvt is 100% advantage for protoss because i dont think it can be done >.< they should just change it so that if any scouting is done at all, then the person who leaves loses points. a gas steal doesnt reveal anything but build orders and it's not an advantage or a disadvantage. but unfortunately that wouldnt help nesh out. nesh, i gotta say that it's just part of the game that you have to put up with. you should just take all the precautions you can to prevent it (build first depot out front, etc) and just roll w/ it. or if you just dont care about points at all, and you're just playing to have fun 100%, then just keep leaving and there's nothin wrong with that ;o | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 19 2008 05:05 iakNab wrote: you're wrong Op would trash you this doesn't justify his disappointment though lol I am sure he would but how does that make me wrong? i am not saying he is literally a "noob" at sc. that would be silly. he clearly has alot to learn if he is still complaining about cheese | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
I, for one, hate the noobs that leave 10 seconds into the game because their split wasn't perfect. | ||
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LazarusSpeaks
100 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 19 2008 12:41 YanGpaN wrote: if SC allows games to end as a draw under 3mins or w/e, theres obviously a reason for that, and it shouldn't be altered... umm, tell that to zergs that 7pool, scout u, and then leave if ur going to be able to stop it actually don't tell that to them because they will agree with you | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On August 19 2008 06:16 NonY[rC] wrote: they should just change it so that if any scouting is done at all, then the person who leaves loses points. What would you class as scouting though? Do you actually have to find the other player? Or does a Zerg player's first overlord count as scouting? I like your suggestion, as long as there's not too much ambiguity, I don't trust iccup admins to make the right decision every time. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On August 19 2008 12:41 YanGpaN wrote: if SC allows games to end as a draw under 3mins or w/e, theres obviously a reason for that, and it shouldn't be altered... It's 2 mins. This is actually a really good point. The game is set up so that if it ends in under 2 minutes it is a draw. That is a rule of starcraft. It is a basic rule built into the game. Less than 2 minutes is a draw. Simple as that. I dont think iccup should change the rules of the game. Starcraft was designed to be played a certain way and the rules shouldnt be altered because some people dont like them (this is different than exploiting bugs, because bugs are unintended). Just like 4pooling is allowed by the rules, if you scout a 4pool and leave in under 2 minutes, well thats allowed by the rules of starcraft. These are the rules of the game set by Blizzard. I dont want people to think I am defending this because I do it. I have never done it. I dont cheese and thus have never had a failed cheese that I need to leave for. And I have only ever been cheesed a few times(less than 5 times in the last year on bnet and iccup). | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 19 2008 14:12 Mastermind wrote: It's 2 mins. This is actually a really good point. The game is set up so that if it ends in under 2 minutes it is a draw. That is a rule of starcraft. It is a basic rule built into the game. Less than 2 minutes is a draw. Simple as that. I dont think iccup should change the rules of the game. Starcraft was designed to be played a certain way and the rules shouldnt be altered because some people dont like them (this is different than exploiting bugs, because bugs are unintended). Just like 4pooling is allowed by the rules, if you scout a 4pool and leave in under 2 minutes, well thats allowed by the rules of starcraft. These are the rules of the game set by Blizzard. I dont want people to think I am defending this because I do it. I have never done it. I dont cheese and thus have never had a failed cheese that I need to leave for. And I have only ever been cheesed a few times(less than 5 times in the last year on bnet and iccup). this ignores the point I made 2 posts above you -.- though that rarely happens in under 2min | ||
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LazarusSpeaks
100 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
I think it would really help in Zerg vs Zerg, where if you go 12 hatch and scout a 9 pool and you just leave. That is really unfair and a totally dumb decision if you leave before the 2 minute mark and scout your disadvantage. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On August 19 2008 14:12 Mastermind wrote: It's 2 mins. This is actually a really good point. The game is set up so that if it ends in under 2 minutes it is a draw. That is a rule of starcraft. It is a basic rule built into the game. Less than 2 minutes is a draw. Simple as that. I dont think iccup should change the rules of the game. Starcraft was designed to be played a certain way and the rules shouldnt be altered because some people dont like them (this is different than exploiting bugs, because bugs are unintended). Just like 4pooling is allowed by the rules, if you scout a 4pool and leave in under 2 minutes, well thats allowed by the rules of starcraft. These are the rules of the game set by Blizzard. I dont want people to think I am defending this because I do it. I have never done it. I dont cheese and thus have never had a failed cheese that I need to leave for. And I have only ever been cheesed a few times(less than 5 times in the last year on bnet and iccup). while I agree with this to an extent, it doesn't apply in this particular scenario. If you find out you're at a disadvantage before the 2min mark and leave, it should not be a draw. your argument is flawed in a few ways. First, at this point, the community knows better than blizzard as to how starcraft "should" (whatever that means) be played. This concerns maps, allowed/prohibited bugs, etc. Just because something is allowed by the basic rules of the game does not mean that it's accepted to play/abide by that rule by the community. For example, akuma in SF. Sure it's an "allowed" character in terms of the game, it's definitely intended. And yet it's banned. Is the whole SF community simply a bunch of whiners that should "learn to deal" with akuma just like we should "learn to deal" with the fact that some builds have a chance to get an early advantage with no risk (i.e. leave if you get a disadvantage instead for a draw?) | ||
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