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This is from iccup:
"Whenever a player leaves the game before 2 min mark. And that player scouts and sees unfavorable build to him like 5pool or a proxy rush or anything that implies great disadvantage (This also applies for taking gas (usually terrans leave)), admins are obligated to give him -100 penalty for 1st offense and increase it by a factor of 100 for next ones. (2nd -200 3rd -300 etc).
There can be also a situation when a player wants to cancel game because its close to 2min mark and no one had advantage(Usually the person who lost makes the complaint). If you see same thing as explained above give the offender a penalty and leave the game as it is. If the offender was the winner game is canceled and offender gets the penalty." (http://sc.iccup.com/iccthread/29873/)
This rule must been made by a guy who loves to cheese. With the number of kids cheesing on ICCUP, this pisses me off. If my gas gets stolen in tvp, and its not a clan match, I usually just leave since it is a waste of my time.
ICCUP usually pisses me off since it is mostly cheese these days, especially from Protoss. 2/3 of my total games, people have cheesed me.
Okay, so a lot of people started posting right away. I think a lot of people think
a)I am a noob
b)I can't block cheese
c)Both a and b
When people steal gas, its just a waste of my time. Why is a waste of time you ask? cause its damn annoying(not hard) to deal with. The part that makes me angry is
"Whenever a player leaves the game before 2 min mark. And that player scouts and sees unfavorable build to him like 5pool or a proxy rush or anything that implies great disadvantage (This also applies for taking gas (usually terrans leave))"
How is terran at a disadvantage? The game is even, there isn't even the slightest advantage that my opponent gets. The one thing that happens now is, it is now going to be a 20+ min game. I can see why your opponent would be at an advantage if it is a 5pool.
basically, I am ranting because you get penalized for what should be a draw.
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I remember a time on a PvP on Sin Peaks where I set up an anti-manner pylon and as expected he sent a very early probe, saw my pylon, then left. I complained but didn't get any points so I sorta welcome this change.
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I did know this yes, and it's there for a good reason. If you're gas is stolen that's not automatically gg, there are a number of ways you can counter it.
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D rank is all about the cheese resistance. First game I ever played on ICCUP: Bunker rush, next game, 2gate proxy, next game, 4pool. I love it.
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On August 19 2008 04:18 blabber wrote:
k
I remember a time on a PvP on Sin Peaks where I set up an anti-manner pylon and as expected he sent a very early probe, saw my pylon, then left. I complained but didn't get any points so I sorta welcome this change.
What's that? :S
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I don't get this talk about iccup beeing a cheese fest. Out of 70 games perhaps 4 bunker rushes, + a couple of 2 gates (if you want to call that cheese? :S) no 4-5 pools at all. Maybe I have been lucky *shrugs*
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huh? o.o ^__^
what is your 2nd paragraph about neshy?
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On August 19 2008 04:22 anderoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 04:18 blabber wrote:
k
I remember a time on a PvP on Sin Peaks where I set up an anti-manner pylon and as expected he sent a very early probe, saw my pylon, then left. I complained but didn't get any points so I sorta welcome this change. What's that? :S
Pylon in such a way it stops your opponent from manner pyloning you - See Bisu vs Pokju on Peaks for an example of the manner pylon.
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On August 19 2008 04:22 anderoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 04:18 blabber wrote:
k
I remember a time on a PvP on Sin Peaks where I set up an anti-manner pylon and as expected he sent a very early probe, saw my pylon, then left. I complained but didn't get any points so I sorta welcome this change. What's that? :S
I guess it'd be just a pylon that gets in the way of setting up a manner pylon and going into Bisu-style 2 gates above your mineral line at the top position on Peaks of Baekdu
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On August 19 2008 04:18 jello_biafra wrote:
I did know this yes, and it's there for a good reason. If you're gas is stolen that's not automatically gg, there are a number of ways you can counter it.
Yeah, watch iloveoov vs reach, I forget which game it was. basically, he gets his gas stolen 3 times and comes out on top.
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OP is a total noob
ur playing starcraft, not some game with rules you've made up in your head
learn to counter cheese. u think pros never deal with cheese?
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So anti-manner pylon is basically a pylon in your own minerals that doesn't impede mining, but blocks manner pylons from getting laid down?
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What's that? :S
Putting a pylon in your minerals that doesn't trap your probes, and that makes it impossible for your opponent to build a pylon that would trap them.
what is your 2nd paragraph about neshy?
I think it's like someone who goes proxy 2 gate, scouts a wall, and leaves before 2 minutes on a two player map.
I don't get this talk about iccup beeing a cheese fest. Out of 70 games perhaps 4 bunker rushes, + a couple of 2 gates (if you want to call that cheese? :S) no 4-5 pools at all. Maybe I have been lucky *shrugs*
No, you're right. People just love to whine and bitch about cheese all the time, when it's really not even cheese. 2gate is a standard strategy. A lot of times "cheese" is their opponent scouting them, recognizing a huge hole in their game, and abusing it immediately. Bad players get cheesed all the time because they take stupid risks and it shows. Play safe, own cheese, move up to the next rank if it's so dominant. The fact is it isn't. You might as well call putting a pylon where your natural hatchery would go if you think stealing gas is cheese (although it is frustrating, both of them).
Cheese is the reason you can't get too greedy, and that delicate balance is what makes StarCraft great.
ur playing starcraft, not some game with rules you've made up in your head
NR20 K, RUSHING IS CHEAP!
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On August 19 2008 04:34 il0seonpurpose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 04:18 jello_biafra wrote:
I did know this yes, and it's there for a good reason. If you're gas is stolen that's not automatically gg, there are a number of ways you can counter it. Yeah, watch iloveoov vs reach, I forget which game it was. basically, he gets his gas stolen 3 times and comes out on top.
Aside from watching that one game, what kinda options does the terran have to counter it? I swear I've lost every iCCup game where the toss stole my gas, because after I either a) Went for some bunker rush, b) Continued mining minerals, waiting for my first rine to kill it to I can build mine (Or else he seems to zeal rush and I have insufficient minerals to defend it properly because I sent scvs to attack the assimilator right away), but then of course I have a very late gas, c) Send scvs to attack it right away(as explained above). Those are usually the choices I seem to be left with, and neither works well, if I choose a) then he is ready for my 'rush' and micros around my unranged/unstimmable rines and shuts down my rush, b) then I have a very late gas and I'm just naturally behind a good minute or so, so he can outtech me, expand, macro, w/e. and c) he usually zeal rushes me or does the same thing as b) because I'm just naturally behind from not mining as many minerals. Is there any different counters to stealing gas or am I supposed to pull some gosu harass to catch up or something...
EDIT: Usually this happens to me when the toss scouts me pretty early, like right before my rax has started, or right when it has started and my gas isn't up yet, If my scv is just about to start my rax (which i get a tad bit before gas) and I see a probe should I get my gas first, it delays my rax like what, 5 seconds? That is what I've been doing lately, or is something like a FE with bunker alright, so you aren't behind economically, then eventually get your gases going?
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so what do you do in clanwars when people steal your gas? curse them and leave too? I don't see why practising against gas steal would be more a waste of time than anything else. It's very likely to happen in any pvt on a serious level.
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I was an ICCup Ladder Admin for some time and I totally agree with that rule. If you join a game and leave before 2 minutes because you think your going to lose cause you let him steal your gas or something else then you deserve to be penalized because you also wasted the other guys time who waited for someone to join and started the game and everything like that.
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wait can you tell me what exactly the OP wants to criticise about this rule?
i think its perfectly fine
or i dont understand it.... :/
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On August 19 2008 04:43 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 04:34 il0seonpurpose wrote:On August 19 2008 04:18 jello_biafra wrote:
I did know this yes, and it's there for a good reason. If you're gas is stolen that's not automatically gg, there are a number of ways you can counter it. Yeah, watch iloveoov vs reach, I forget which game it was. basically, he gets his gas stolen 3 times and comes out on top. Aside from watching that one game, what kinda options does the terran have to counter it? I swear I've lost every iCCup game where the toss stole my gas, because after I either a) Went for some bunker rush, b) Continued mining minerals, waiting for my first rine to kill it to I can build mine (Or else he seems to zeal rush and I have insufficient minerals to defend it properly because I sent scvs to attack the assimilator right away), but then of course I have a very late gas, c) Send scvs to attack it right away(as explained above). Those are usually the choices I seem to be left with, and neither works well, if I choose a) then he is ready for my 'rush' and micros around my unranged/unstimmable rines and shuts down my rush, b) then I have a very late gas and I'm just naturally behind a good minute or so, so he can outtech me, expand, macro, w/e. and c) he usually zeal rushes me or does the same thing as b) because I'm just naturally behind from not mining as many minerals. Is there any different counters to stealing gas or am I supposed to pull some gosu harass to catch up or something...
I believe as soon as the gas is stolen you put down another barracks with the minerals you have saved up for the refinery. Personally i just send a couple of scvs to attack(that would be mining gas anyway) Then transitition into a marine/medic push or biomech.
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On August 19 2008 04:41 anderoo wrote:
So anti-manner pylon is basically a pylon in your own minerals that doesn't impede mining, but blocks manner pylons from getting laid down?
Yes it's exactly that
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Yeah I had never thought about this possibility (of a player scouting an unfavorable opening and leaving before 2 minutes), but I had to look it up when it happened. A player started a proxy gate on blue storm and left when he scouted my pool first build.
At first I was upset that I didn't get any points, since it was an easy win for me, but whatever. He lost 100 points, so i guess that's enough of a deterrant to keep this from happening all the time.
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