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Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
August 09 2008 05:46 GMT
#161
I totally disagree with this. Have you ever thought of the practice partners he has in ACE? How many of them can actually be called good? Boxer is probably the only big name and also the only OSL winner inside. How much can you imagine that he'd learn from the young stars when he gets back to SKT1? I can assure you that he will improve by miles. In conclusion, it's totally unfair for us to ask him to quit unless it's proven that he is still slumping when he has good practice partners to play with. No matter how many losses he's gonna get against the scrubs . He will always remembered as Boxer. 99% of us will remember how much he has contributed to SC. Never try, never know Once he tries, everyone bows.
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
August 09 2008 06:00 GMT
#162
On August 09 2008 10:42 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
He wouldn't remain playing if he didn't enjoy it. No reason to encourage him to quit if he enjoys the game still.

"Eyes in the sky."
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 09 2008 06:05 GMT
#163
Boxer IS Starcraft. As long as he is playing, I will watch, but I wouldn't say the same of any other player.

The day he retires will be a sad one.
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MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
August 09 2008 06:33 GMT
#164
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/4104_BoxeR_vs_Cool[fOu]/vod
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
August 09 2008 07:49 GMT
#165
he's completely right. i thought this for a while.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 08:23:00
August 09 2008 07:58 GMT
#166
I agree with you that the odds are higher than ever for him but if theres anyone who could do it its boxer.
ils
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L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
August 09 2008 07:58 GMT
#167
personally i would wait until after he gets back from his army time. if sc2 isn't out by then, i would expect him to try and make a decent return to form. if he is still not up to par, then it's probably time to hang up his hat.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 09 2008 08:56 GMT
#168
i think you're a fucking idiot

boxer is boxer and always will be boxer and it doesn't matter if he wins or loses he will always be boxer and plus sc2 is coming

he could become a commentator but honestly he doesn't have the vocal strength for it in my opinion and plus he's boxer, why would such a god stoop to the level of commentating and getting paid so little

lol at you putting so much effort into this

u should quit thinking, and writing
why so 진지해?
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 09 2008 09:11 GMT
#169
seriously what has teamliquid come to

a clueless tard like incontrol spewing non sense in every thread like its the god forbidden truth because hey, he's in media clan man and he's nonys friend, he must know what the fuck is up

otherwise good writers so blind that they not only write a sentence about how boxer should retire, but a whole fucking article

kill yourselves faggots
why so 진지해?
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 09 2008 09:13 GMT
#170
i didn't even read your article, because thats how mother fucking dumb it is

seriously

LOL

wtf is going on here
why so 진지해?
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 09 2008 09:14 GMT
#171
BOXER SHOULD RETIRE

TOSSGIRL SHOULD GET A GENDER CHANGE CUZ HEY PENISES ARE KEWL
why so 진지해?
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 09 2008 10:02 GMT
#172
Fortunately, at least in this case, the majority of people agree with you. I think even Plexa doesn't think he should retire, he just wants to stir s*** up. And it's been kind of interesting.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 09 2008 10:21 GMT
#173
On August 09 2008 10:00 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2008 09:48 Guybrush wrote:
Brood War need names to survive. Boxer is a name. A champion. In fact hes the only remaining champion from his prime along with GoRush and Reach. Ive watched tons of epic games with these guys hence I feel they belong in the big tournaments by default. You want to see these names because you can identify joyful moments with them.

There are some champions I wouldnt miss. Mind and forGG are those. Probably because they dont have the personal charisma nor anything special in their gameplay. Eventhough GGPlay can be considered the same way, you'll always know when someone says "Hey remember that epic comeback GGPlay did in the Daum final?". If someone asks about Mind or forGG you'll say that's the guys who fucked up the namebuilding. Of course Bisu and Jaedong are big names now. ButBisu would have been a huge name if he won his 3rd MSL back then, and Jaedong wouldve been on a good way to being a legend if he had taken his 2nd MSL title recently.

I dont want champions like Boxer to quit to make more room for more forGGs and Minds.

What I miss the most of todays champions is charisma though. July, Oov, Savior, Nada, Reach, rA, Anytime and Boxer had/has that special aura to them, and even the most recent champions like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash lacks that despite characteristic gameplay. This worries me somewhat, but it might have a smaller impact than I fear it could have.



umm I think flash lacks play fits into your last line

Bisu doesn't fit into it at all, I hate the faggot, but god damn is his play interesting/bold ... his play shows more of an artistic approach to the game then I've ever seen a toss (other then straight proxy builds which I don't find creative) have.

Jaedong plays the most varied zerg style ever?.... Nobody has as many different approaches and tricks in the middlegame as him. ZvT he has been lacking flair for awhile, but I think its the competition changing, and him struggling with modern terran play.


I was talking about their appearance, like how they look and behave, not their gameplay. Chalrenge is a player with a distinct personal character but hes not a champion.
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humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
August 09 2008 10:42 GMT
#174
Well written but who are we to say when Boxer should retire?

Boxer has Starcraft and nothing else, except coaching (I doubt he wants to be a commentator). But do you think SKT1 would work with Boxer and Oov as coaches together? Personally I don't like two really strong coaches (and legends) in a team, unless they have clearly different roles.

And as long as he has the physical strength and partners to practice like he wants (read: all the time), no other gamers will feel safe vs him. He will keep on consuming new maps like candy, finding new strategies and weird concepts/tricks that other gamers don't think of.

When the time is rightfor him to retire, he will tell us himself.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 09 2008 10:49 GMT
#175
On August 09 2008 19:42 humblegar wrote:
Well written but who are we to say when Boxer should retire?

Boxer has Starcraft and nothing else, except coaching (I doubt he wants to be a commentator). But do you think SKT1 would work with Boxer and Oov as coaches together? Personally I don't like two really strong coaches (and legends) in a team, unless they have clearly different roles.

And as long as he has the physical strength and partners to practice like he wants (read: all the time), no other gamers will feel safe vs him. He will keep on consuming new maps like candy, finding new strategies and weird concepts/tricks that other gamers don't think of.

When the time is rightfor him to retire, he will tell us himself.


while your post is overall correct

Boxer has Starcraft and nothing else, except coaching (I doubt he wants to be a commentator).

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

BOXER HAS LIFE, HE ALREADY WON LIFE AND WILL CONTINUE WINNING LIFE UNTIL UNTIL HE DIES

BOXER CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS

FUCK UR ALL RETARDS
why so 진지해?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 09 2008 11:09 GMT
#176
Alright, in creating this article i wrote it under the premise that 99% of teamliquid would immediately reject the idea... but then people started agreeing with it. Theres probably somewhere between 10~25% of users here which have expressed that Boxer will not return to starcraft.

There were a number of omissions in the article, most of which ack aptly picked up. The most important thing about Boxer, which I didn't say anything about, is his passion for Starcraft. Above everything else this differentiates Boxer from every other progamer that has ever played the game. TheMarine was considered one of the only players who could go toe-to-toe with the Emperor, yet his interest waned and his skill deteriorated and he couldn't bounce back. That being said, his revival in 2004 was nothing short of miraculous, especially seeing as how TheMarine was reduced to the level of a B amateur before he staged his comeback.

TheMarine is proof that Boxer can, and will, come back to progaming. TheMarine's story is often forgotten amongst the glory stories of Nada, July and Oov. But look at it this way. TheMarine was comparable to Boxer in every way back in 2001, well, even before that really. But then in his slump between 2002-2003 he royally sucked. Over a period of two years (approximately the length of time that Boxer has been in the army) he made the group stages of two OSLs and one MSL and was eliminated in pathetic fashion in each of them. But on the whole, TheMarine never really achieved much and the record of 43.68% (38-49). Now compare this record to 40.32% (25-37) and you can see that Boxer's record during his stay in the airforce (where he made an MSL appearance) is perfectly comparable to TheMarines.
  • TheMarine had unlimited practice time, Boxer has restricted practice time
  • It was comparatively easier to maintain a 43% winrate in 2002/2003 than a 40% winrate in 2008
  • Boxer has a greater drive/passion/inspiration to keep playing than TheMarine
Im sure there are more parallels that i could draw but the bottom line is - Boxer is in a similar situation to TheMarine; and he came back to place third in an MSL in 2004.

Will the comeback be easy? No
Will Boxer give up? No
Is Boxer going to comeback? Yes he fucking will

Increase Boxer's practice time, increase Boxer's access to progaming and just watch as he gets exponentially better and fights his way back to the top. If TheMarine can do it, Boxer most certainly can.

While drawing the parallel to TheMarine may seem invalid, if you actually both to go read some of Boxer's recent interviews (notably this one) you can see that Boxer has as much passion as he has ever had and really this is the key component to a successful comeback. To become great at Starcraft one simply needs talent + will power. As we all know Boxer currently has both of these components, and that means that even if he instantly gets demoted to B-Team that he will rise from the ashes and will indeed add to his already impressive legend.
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Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
August 09 2008 11:20 GMT
#177
Author just STFU.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 09 2008 11:27 GMT
#178
On August 09 2008 20:20 3D.Strelok wrote:
Author just STFU.
Thanks for adding to the discussion strelok
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7054 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 11:38:44
August 09 2008 11:34 GMT
#179
I have mixed feelings about this, I've always been a huge Boxer fan and will always hope that he'd get back on top and show the world what game is all about, but its true that he is old now and probably won't be able to compete with the new kids in action.

I can still have hope.

On August 09 2008 20:20 3D.Strelok wrote:
Author just STFU.

Rekrul has met Boxer, he has fucking partied with him and awesome stuff like that, so he certainly has the right to speak like that if he wants.. but you, you're just good at Starcraft!

and that is not cool.. enough.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 09 2008 11:48 GMT
#180
seriously have any of you guys watched any of boxers games nowadays?

he seriously seems happier when he loses than he wins

when he wins he looks like 'meh standard'

when he loses he has this unique cocky look on his face where u can tell he's just thinking about how it doesn't fucking matter at all and good for the other guy who just beat him and how he's the real winner anyways cause hey, "IM FUCKING BOXER AND THIS NEWB IS STILL PRACTICING 16 HRS A DAY WHILE I WON LIFE YEARS AGO LOL!!!!"
why so 진지해?
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