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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 04 2008 07:13 GMT
#1
I started ICCUP recently. A few seasons ago I made it to C as a protoss.

Now I made a new account, because I want to start new as a fresh Terran, since I'm working on TvP at the moment, and I've been able to beat C-/C players with it. 2-0 - looking good.

Then I bump into a D- person and decided to play him, considering my T isn't that good. I'm pretty confident I'll win and play on. BUT he went double gate, then went fast dt's and I lost.

I then go on to check his record, and he was 6-36.

I hate when you lose to players you should DEFINITELY win against!

*
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
terranmetal
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada153 Posts
August 04 2008 07:21 GMT
#2
sometimes the best strategies are the cheesiest. Don't sweat it, you would win him in macro war like most good players do. This type of stuff used to piss me off, but I've gotten to the point where I feel calm knowing I could win a best of 3 with them.
I play on BW west.
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
August 04 2008 07:29 GMT
#3
If you care so much about winning, you should play safer when playing against people you think are much worse than you.
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-04 07:36:33
August 04 2008 07:36 GMT
#4
I hate messing around on West and getting cheesed by an FPM player on LT or something like that. Everyone who's watching doesn't understand the concept of cheese (since they all play fpm) and thus believes the other guy is the best player ever (even though he must be below D- iCCup)

That gets pretty irritating because no matter how many wins you get, as long as someone beats you with any sort of strategy, they like the automatically think that person is better.

Shit sucks.
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 04 2008 07:36 GMT
#5
I think it just shows you how bad your T is and how incapable us Protoss players are of using T
blabberrrrr
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
August 04 2008 07:42 GMT
#6
On August 04 2008 16:36 blabber wrote:
I think it just shows you how bad your T is and how incapable us Protoss players are of using T

smart man
Moderatorsloppy little slug
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 04 2008 07:54 GMT
#7
On August 04 2008 16:36 blabber wrote:
I think it just shows you how bad your T is and how incapable us Protoss players are of using T


that's why my T can win against AT LEAST C- players, right?
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-04 08:00:08
August 04 2008 07:59 GMT
#8
Eh. You lost to this guy. You've beaten guys who would beat this guy easily. Maybe you would beat this guy if you played him again.

Maybe you really are more skilled, and he just got lucky.

But keep in mind that the perfect strategy accounts for everything, and maybe you can refine your play to deal with (considering D-, probably poorly executed) cheese.

Oh, and to respond to OP title... yes, it's happened to me before, and I didn't like it.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
August 04 2008 08:01 GMT
#9
On August 04 2008 16:54 clazziquai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2008 16:36 blabber wrote:
I think it just shows you how bad your T is and how incapable us Protoss players are of using T


that's why my T can win against AT LEAST C- players, right?


Standard TvP is easy though, macro macro macro, oh he made a mistake, push, win.
If you don't want to lose to this, just TvP a lot and you will notice low unit count and timings etc etc. Its my honest opinion that c- toss players are probably around d+ terran level (not using terran, but skill wise) because they seem to have it easier at low levels with use of cheese and the terrans and zergs not yet having the mechanics and micro required to be good at TvP and such.
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 04 2008 08:10 GMT
#10
On August 04 2008 17:01 .kaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2008 16:54 clazziquai wrote:
On August 04 2008 16:36 blabber wrote:
I think it just shows you how bad your T is and how incapable us Protoss players are of using T


that's why my T can win against AT LEAST C- players, right?


Standard TvP is easy though, macro macro macro, oh he made a mistake, push, win.
If you don't want to lose to this, just TvP a lot and you will notice low unit count and timings etc etc. Its my honest opinion that c- toss players are probably around d+ terran level (not using terran, but skill wise) because they seem to have it easier at low levels with use of cheese and the terrans and zergs not yet having the mechanics and micro required to be good at TvP and such.


Yep =) TvP is all about timing but as I keep playing, I'm learning more and more about this matchup.
It's fun though and definitely my favorite
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 04 2008 08:17 GMT
#11
Yes! Someone else who shares my love of TvP. Everyone tells me that Terrans should focus on TvZ because everyone hates people who are only good at TvP and no good at TvZ. Well, FUCK YOU ALL. HAH. I NOW HAVE MORAL SUPPORT.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
August 04 2008 08:38 GMT
#12
On August 04 2008 17:17 BottleAbuser wrote:
Yes! Someone else who shares my love of TvP. Everyone tells me that Terrans should focus on TvZ because everyone hates people who are only good at TvP and no good at TvZ. Well, FUCK YOU ALL. HAH. I NOW HAVE MORAL SUPPORT.

Fuck yeah~
All I can win is TvP lol. But I used to be a Protoss so that would kind of explain why I can play it -_-;
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 04 2008 08:44 GMT
#13
share your secrets with me! I can't win a TvP to save my life.
Maybe its because I've been playing zerg for a while, but winning with Terran has become harder than ever before.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 04 2008 08:46 GMT
#14
2 fac. Build an engineering bay and float it over their minerals. 3 tanks + 5 marines + 15 stacked scvs > EVERYTHING. MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
August 04 2008 09:31 GMT
#15
On August 04 2008 17:44 kNyTTyM wrote:
share your secrets with me! I can't win a TvP to save my life.
Maybe its because I've been playing zerg for a while, but winning with Terran has become harder than ever before.

Well if you really want me to help you can msg me NrG.Bamboo @ iCCup whenever and I'd be glad to critique a replay or something :p
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
August 04 2008 09:44 GMT
#16
Sometimes I wonder if there are a few individuals who lose like 30 games on purpose, then absolutely destroy someone to make them feel horrible.
~o~ I have returned
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 04 2008 11:05 GMT
#17
Yeah there are, but its usually found in 2v2.

People will get D- on purpose and then play normally so that their partner gets bonus points to rank up faster.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
August 04 2008 12:06 GMT
#18
ive never seen that happen on iccup...someone getting on a D- rank to give their ally a few extra points...it wouldn't be that helpful anyway - most likely they will still be a D rank team o_O
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
August 04 2008 12:29 GMT
#19
Play

safe

and

scout

well.
Moderator
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 04 2008 12:30 GMT
#20
On August 04 2008 21:29 Chill wrote:
Play

safe

and

scout

well.


I

played

safe

but

I

scouted

very

very

late

=(
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 04 2008 12:34 GMT
#21
Why is it so hard to get a game of SC =[
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 04 2008 12:48 GMT
#22
Do

not

scout

late

because

everyone

will

cheese

you
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-04 13:24:45
August 04 2008 13:24 GMT
#23
Never happens to me (I play T), your T is probably worse than you thought. Double gate dt should really be a free win.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44256 Posts
August 04 2008 13:47 GMT
#24
I got some frustrating losses at first but after practicing the maps a little and refining my builds for each matchup I stopped losing to worse players. You just need to not leave anything to chance. Get comfortable with your opening, their possible responses and your reaction to it. Once it all becomes natural they need to actually outplay you to win. Of course that'll still happen every now and then but not often.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
August 04 2008 15:07 GMT
#25
problem is that most terrans scout after rax or even later on when it's almost autoloss if he has proxied 2 gates or cannonrushed or 14nexed or teched to quick dts etc.
I don't get it, many protoss players scout at 8 even against terrans and we only have an occasional 2rax proxy to fear.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
August 04 2008 16:21 GMT
#26
sadly on Iccup, especially against worst players, you probably need to scout after supply. Yes, it will hurt your econ, but if you don't want to lose to a cheese...
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
August 04 2008 16:31 GMT
#27
If you want to win against anyone below C level with T against protoss:

Fast expo with siege mode.
Make an engineering bay as soon as your first tank is building.
Upgrade siege.
Second Fac asap after CC
Acadamy
Armory
Pump tanks until you have 5
2 facs
Make Vults
Take your min only
3 fac tank 4-5 fac vult
Harass with vults
Move out with unstoppable 24 tank 1/1 army
Win
Rejoice
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
August 04 2008 18:01 GMT
#28
You guys crazeh!!!

A good terran will always be judged by his TvZ as it is the most demanding T MU and the most amazing one to both watch and play. And to be honest, I respect a T whose TvZ is really good a whole lot more than a T whose TvP is even better!

HwaSIn > Flash (to me) xDD
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
August 04 2008 19:53 GMT
#29
that looks pretty similar to my record, must have been me
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