• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:57
CEST 18:57
KST 01:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection1Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th103Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double1Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2
StarCraft 2
General
The death of cheese, from a professional cheeser. StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Changing from 12 to 8 is just asking for StarCraft TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue
Brood War
General
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event Soma's ASL Finals Review BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1771 users

Joker's plans

Blogs > thoraxe
Post a Reply
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 06:08:25
July 21 2008 05:30 GMT
#1
1) I know he said something that people with plans aren't cool and that its better to just act, or something like that (someone plz sum it up better than me?). But didn't he end up having a masterful plan of his at the end? What's up with that, was it something that the writers couldn't avoid?

2) Why does the Joker say different reasons for his scars?

3) Didn't the guy that played Scarecrow in Batman Begins make a cameo in The Dark Knight? Wasn't he the very same impersonator that was wearing the Scarecrow's mask?


*on a side note*
from imdb trivia section: To prepare for his role as the Joker, Heath Ledger lived alone in a hotel room for a month, formulating the character's psychology, posture and voice (the last one he found most difficult to do). He started a diary, in which he wrote the Joker's thoughts and feelings to guide himself during his performance. He was also given Alan Moore's comic "Batman: The Killing Joke" and "Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth" to read.

*****
Obama singing "Kick Ass" Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw&feature=player_embedde
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
July 21 2008 06:07 GMT
#2
Well, he said he prefered to act rather than plan a scheme , because schemers freaked out when something went out of the plan. He did planned things, seeing as how he freaks when neither boat is blown up and tried to proceed to blow them both. But you can notice he is waaaaaaay too random to be a scheemer. I dont know, its complicated :p
Teamliquidian townie
sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
July 21 2008 06:11 GMT
#3
2) "Director Christopher Nolan and co-writers Jonathan Nolan and David S. Goyer decided not to explore the origins of the Joker in order to portray the character as "absolute.""

joker says different reasons to scare the person?
if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
July 21 2008 06:20 GMT
#4
how many damn threads do we have to have about one movie
Takeout
Profile Joined July 2008
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 06:50:04
July 21 2008 06:49 GMT
#5
[spoiler]1) My interpretation is something as follows:
These schemers, as told by the Joker, are far too predictable. Their ideals, goals etc etc relies far too much upon events happening as how they planned. When something goes awry, their whole "scheme" falters and the original plan falls on itself.

The Joker, meanwhile, just "does it." Chaos and violence is part of his nature. His end is obvious, but his means are fluid and changeable. He relies on no preset "scheme," even if the unforseened happen, the Joker simply improvises along the way, and still achieve his end. After all, it is part of his nature. This is what makes the Ledger Joker such a terrifying figure. No matter how you intervene, how you may think you have stopped him, in the end he still gets the final laugh.

This is the reason to him saying how + Show Spoiler +
Rachel's death was not personal. He never "schemed" to kill her. From the beginning all he intended to do was corrupt Harvey. Rachel was simply in the way


2) Audience will keep guessing. His background thus remains mysterious, and thus, terrifying.
To reflect how psychologically disturbed this man is. All those things might have happened. Or none of them, or they could have been the simple product of his twisted mind. Born out of his self-mutilation.
His mutilated face is a metaphor for his disfigured mind.


3) Yes. And he is as flaming as ever.
getting there, getting there...
popnfreshspk
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 06:58:26
July 21 2008 06:57 GMT
#6
The Joker has a different story for his scars everytime because that is exactly how the Joker character is.

He doesn't have an origin story, to quote from the Killing Joke, "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

The idea is that he's told so many stories about his origin, that he doesn't really remember how he got to be what he is anymore. Adds depth to the character imo.
hey you
powa
Profile Joined July 2008
United States58 Posts
July 21 2008 07:01 GMT
#7
he has a different story always because to him it was a joke.... name=joker
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 17:46:24
July 21 2008 17:45 GMT
#8
On July 21 2008 15:20 Snet wrote:
how many damn threads do we have to have about one movie

its a blog. and the movie is fucking great, there should be 100 threads about this movie.
Obama singing "Kick Ass" Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw&feature=player_embedde
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Showmatch
16:00
Shopify Rebellion Sunday #3
Percival vs Lambo
ByuN vs Clem
YoungYakov vs GuMiho
ByuN vs Creator
Liquipedia
IPSL
16:00
Ro16 Group D
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
Airneanach61
Liquipedia
Maestros of the Game
13:00
Preliminary Stage
ByuN vs ShamelessLIVE!
Cure vs TriGGeR
RotterdaM1281
ComeBackTV 1138
TaKeTV499
IndyStarCraft 209
SteadfastSC209
Rex121
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1281
Harstem 492
IndyStarCraft 209
SteadfastSC 209
Rex 121
ProTech79
elazer 73
Railgan 66
BRAT_OK 34
MindelVK 19
Codebar 8
StarCraft: Brood War
EffOrt 2064
Horang2 846
ZerO 371
Liquid`Hasu 292
Rush 222
hero 212
ToSsGirL 55
Movie 38
Barracks 35
Terrorterran 32
[ Show more ]
Rock 27
GoRush 25
sorry 23
Sacsri 20
EG.Machine 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
IntoTheRainbow 11
Dota 2
qojqva2639
XaKoH 464
420jenkins378
Counter-Strike
fl0m1879
x6flipin464
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor298
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1828
B2W.Neo569
Beastyqt470
Dendi458
Hui .201
KnowMe134
Liquid`VortiX84
Mew2King59
XlorD50
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV520
Counter-Strike
PGL170
Other Games
gamesdonequick35
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 112
• HeavenSC 21
• Reevou 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2812
• Jankos2652
Upcoming Events
BSL
2h 3m
OSC
7h 3m
Wardi Open
19h 3m
Monday Night Weeklies
23h 3m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 17h
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 18h
Maestros of the Game
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
GSL
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.