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So after about 2 years of reading about former Starcraft players getting into poker, and such. I think I'm ready to make the leap.
I find it pretty alluring reading about all these former gamers making a decent amount of money of it.
By no means am I saying I want to get rich playing poker quick, but is it possible to make a decent amount of money playing poker? Maybe a couple grand? Hell, maybe help me out through College.
I know it's going to be tough, but I'm willing to work, and learn.
I just have a couple of questions.
What does it take to be a good poker player? My experience is completely 0, so what are some good beginner books to pick up? I need to learn the basics to play.
What is a good training ground? Where can I play to get my skill up?, and etc..
I'm pretty sure that playing online poker for money is illegal in the US, but right now I just want to play for fun to get my skill up.
After I do this, what would be some good advice? If anyone who's ever made a decent amount of money from poker, what are some traits you'd might want to pick up quick?
I also mentioned I'd like to make some money. Like I said I'm not a believer of get rich quick, or whatever, but what kind of playing should I start with, to make some money?
If any of you want to bring me back to reality, and tell me it's never going to happen that would be interesting too.
Any suggestions, or advice is appreciated. If you want to get into poker as well, I'd be interested in practicing with complete beginners.
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Sweden33719 Posts
http://www.liquidpoker.net
Do the free $ thing on Full Tilt. I don't think actually PLAYING online poker is illegal btw (depends on what state too I think), it's just illegal for banks to transfer money to online gambling sites.. or something like that.
Making some money from poker mostly just takes dedication and patience, and of course trying to actively get better.
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I think I'm being quite ignorant, but what the heck is the " _CON_05: " on the registration?
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liquidpoker.net read through some of the articles by Grot about getting started, it helps a lot
To be honest it's better if you can deposit a couple hundred dollars and start at NL10 (0.05 0.1 cent blinds, 10 dollar buyin). Grinding your way up with NL5 or NL2 takes forever, and honestly you don't learn much by playing against players of that low caliber. NL10 starts to become semi legit.
The best thing to do for a low stakes player is sign up for full tilt poker (and if you can afford the $600 initial deposit to get $600 it's worth it, it's the best bonus for signup right now). Also sign up for a rake back account, out of the major poker rooms available to US players only full tilt gives rakeback. Pokerstars has their FPP program, but at low stakes it takes forever to actually generate any VPP's and FPP's, and the level of rakeback until you hit platinum star is pretty shitty, and really only becomes worth it at supernova.
Like FA said some states it's illegal to play poker, latest list i've seen is
Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington, Wisconsin are banned.
All it takes is a little discipline and some time. I've made a couple thousand off of poker over the last couple of years, grinding away at NL50, cashing out when I have exams, redepositing when I have more free time.
You can read some forums to get a better idea of how to play hands. If you have hands that confuse you, post it on liquidpoker.net and there are some experienced players that can help you out.
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someone please tell me [see above] :/
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On July 13 2008 07:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
liquidpoker.net read through some of the articles by Grot about getting started, it helps a lot
To be honest it's better if you can deposit a couple hundred dollars and start at NL10 (0.05 0.1 cent blinds, 10 dollar buyin). Grinding your way up with NL5 or NL2 takes forever, and honestly you don't learn much by playing against players of that low caliber. NL10 starts to become semi legit.
The best thing to do for a low stakes player is sign up for full tilt poker (and if you can afford the $600 initial deposit to get $600 it's worth it, it's the best bonus for signup right now). Also sign up for a rake back account, out of the major poker rooms available to US players only full tilt gives rakeback. Pokerstars has their FPP program, but at low stakes it takes forever to actually generate any VPP's and FPP's, and the level of rakeback until you hit platinum star is pretty shitty, and really only becomes worth it at supernova.
Like FA said some states it's illegal to play poker, latest list i've seen is
Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington, Wisconsin are banned.
All it takes is a little discipline and some time. I've made a couple thousand off of poker over the last couple of years, grinding away at NL50, cashing out when I have exams, redepositing when I have more free time.
You can read some forums to get a better idea of how to play hands. If you have hands that confuse you, post it on liquidpoker.net and there are some experienced players that can help you out.
Thank you so much for the quality post. Too be honest I didn't understand a lot of that poker lingo, but hopefully I'll be able to learn. I don't really have $600, I think I just got about $150 in my checking, and savings account right now. I'm barely going to be 19, and I've only had 1 job so far, so I'm pretty broke.
I live in Illinois, so will that be a problem? Playing poker isn't illegal right? Just transferring money to gambling sites? I'm pretty confused when it comes with this.
I'm appreciative you took time to give me that advice, but I don't think I'm ready for that level yet. Would you recommend any poker sites, that would give me a decent amount of experience? I'd like to start for fun, but eventually move into $$$.
I'll read what you mentioned about Grot.
Thanks, again.
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Wizard, post the context. It can be an error.
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Awhile ago I was wondering the same thing in regard to legal issues with online poker in the states, and from what I've read, there are certain sites open to us, including pokerstars and full tilt. if you have concerns regarding your state in particular just find out from your state gov, or google and try to find out online.
here's a little snipit from wikipedia regarding online gambling in usa.
+ Show Spoiler [Wikipedia Article] +The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled[2] in November 2002 that the Federal Wire Act prohibits electronic transmission of information for sports betting across telecommunications lines but affirmed a lower court ruling[3] that the Wire Act "'in plain language' does not prohibit Internet gambling on a game of chance."
Some states have specific laws against online gambling of any kind. Also, owning an online gaming operation without proper licensing would be illegal, and no states are currently granting online gaming licenses.
In March 2003, Deputy Assistant Attorney General John G. Malcolm testified before the Senate Banking Committee regarding the special problems presented by online gambling.[4] A major concern of the United States Department of Justice is online money laundering. The anonymous nature of the Internet and the use of encryption make it especially difficult to trace online money laundering transactions.
In April 2004 Google and Yahoo!, the two largest internet search engines, announced that they were removing online gambling advertising from their sites. The move followed a United States Department of Justice announcement that, in what some say is a contradiction of the Appeals Court ruling, the Wire Act relating to telephone betting applies to all forms of Internet gambling, and that any advertising of such gambling "may" be deemed as aiding and abetting. Critics of the Justice Department's move say that it has no legal basis for pressuring companies to remove advertisements and that the advertisements are protected by the First Amendment.[5] As of April 2005, Yahoo! has instigated a restrictive policy about gambling ads.[6]
In August 2004, Casino City, an online portal for internet gambling sites, sued the US Department of Justice. The complaint alleged, inter alia, that the websites business—promoting internet gambling—was legal, and requested a declaration from the court that its business was protected by the First Amendment. The U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Louisiana dismissed the case in February of 2005.
In its opinion, the District Court wrote,
It is well-established that the First Amendment does not protect the right to advertise illegal activity... The government's interest is specifically directed towards the advertising of illegal activity, namely Internet gambling... Furthermore, the speech in which the plaintiff wishes to engage is misleading because it falsely portrays the image that Internet gambling is legal... Because plaintiff's speech concerns misleading information and illegal activities, it does not fall within the speech that is protected by the First Amendment.[7]
The US Court of Appeals, 5th Circuit, dismissed Casino City's appeal in January, 2006.[8]
In February 2005 the North Dakota House of Representatives passed a bill to legalize and regulate online poker and online poker cardroom operators in the State. Testifying before the State Senate, Nigel Payne, CEO of Paradise Poker, pledged to relocate to the state if the bill became law. However, the measure was defeated by the State Senate in March 2005. Rep. Jim Kasper, who sponsored the 2005 legislation, plans to introduce similar bills in the 2007 North Dakota legislative session.
In July 2006, David Carruthers, the CEO of BetonSports, a company publicly traded on the London Stock Exchange was detained in Texas while changing planes on his way from London to Costa Rica.[9] He and ten other individuals had been previously charged in a sealed indictment with violations of US Federal laws relating to illegal gambling. While as noted above, a United States Appeals court has stated that the Wire Act does not apply to non-sports betting, the Supreme Court of the United States previously refused to hear an appeal of the conviction of Jay Cohen, where lower courts held that the Wire Act does make it illegal to own a sports betting operation that offers such betting to United States citizens.[10]
The BetOnSports indictment alleged violations of at least 9 different Federal statutes, including 18 USC Sec. 1953 (Operation of an Illegal Gambling Business).[11] Carruthers is currently under house arrest on a one million dollar bail bond.[12]
In September 2006, Sportingbet reported that its chairman, Peter Dicks, was detained in New York City on a Louisiana warrant while traveling in the United States on business unrelated to online gaming.[13] Louisiana is one of the few states that has a specific law prohibiting gambling online. At the end of the month, New York dismissed the Louisiana warrant.[14]
Also in September 2006, just before adjourning for the midterm elections, both the House of Representatives and Senate passed legislation (as an amendment to the unrelated SAFE Port Act) that would make transactions from banks or similar institutions to online gambling sites illegal. This differed from a previous bill passed only by the House that expanded the scope of the Wire Act. The passed bill only addressed banking issues.[15] The Act was signed into law on October 13, 2006 by President George W. Bush. At the UIGEA bill-signing ceremony, Bush did not mention the Internet gambling measure, which was supported by the National Football League but opposed by banking groups.[16]
In response to SAFE Port Act, a number of online gambling operators including PartyGaming, Bwin, Cassava Enterprises, and Sportingbet announced that real-money gambling operations would be suspended for U.S. customers. PartyGaming's stock dropped by 60% following its announcement. Other operators such as PokerStars, Bodog, and World Sports Exchange announced their intention to continue serving customers in the U.S.
On April 26, 2007, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) introduced HR 2046, the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act, which would modify UIGEA by providing a provision for licensing of Internet gambling facilities by the Director of the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.
On June 7, 2007, Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL) introduced HR 2610, the Skill Game Protection Act, which would legalize Internet poker, bridge, chess, and other games of skill. Also on June 7, Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) introduced H.R. 2607, the Internet Gambling Regulation and Tax Enforcement Act. IGRTEA would legislate Internet gambling tax collection requirements.
On June 8, 2007, the House Financial Services Committee, chaired by Barney Frank, held a hearing entitled, "Can Internet Gambling Be Effectively Regulated to Protect Consumers and the Payments System?".[17] Expert witnesses at the hearing testified that Internet gambling can be effectively regulated for age verification, money laundering issues, facilitation of state and federal tax collection, and for issues relating to compulsive gambling.
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Pokerstars is a great site and it has play money, so you could start learning the game without risking any money. check out the article section on liquidpoker for some basics on the game. Also a good series of books to read are the Dan Harrington on Hold'em.
GL with the poker. And a good way to build up a bankroll starting with only a few bucks is to do the heads up sit and go's, at least thats how i did it.
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yea id like to hear more about those legislation as well, i live in NYC
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Well as far as I know, in those listed states, playing online poker is COMPLETELY banned. I don't know if this is enforced or not, but I know that my roommate who used to live in washington state said that he couldn't log onto full tilt poker when he was at home i.e. full tilt would block him completely because he was trying to log in from washington.
If this completely illegal law is valid, then you'll have trouble creating your accounts. You have to put a valid address usually when you sign up to play for real money, so that they know where to send cashouts if and when you cash out. If you live in one of those banned states, then you may not be allowed to sign up.
To be honest playing with fake chips is a little misleading. No one tries very hard, they put a lot of chips in the middle with very mediocre hands. If you want to do play chips though, pokerstars and fulltilt poker are the way to go. To be honest, they're the way to go anyways for real money play as well.
Harringonton on Hold'em is good for tournament play, but what he talks about is not relevent for cash game play. If you want the bread and butter of Hold'em books, read Super System I and Super System II by Doyle Brunson. The first is a little dated, and the advice is more for high levels of play, but it goes over a lot of the terminology.
Do not, I repeat do not put real money on ultimatebet.com They have been having a lot of problems with scandals of different varieties, and you don't want to deal with that.
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On July 13 2008 08:41 Raidern wrote:
Wizard, post the context. It can be an error.
omg, I am so dumb >.< it's the code verification thing haha
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Don't go in expecting to make any money. This isn't starcraft, it's a luck-based game. There is skill involved but your skill will only serve to maximize your odds. In the end you can play a game flawlessly and still lose all your money to a complete noob who happends to hit a lucky river. I've seen it all too often, and it can lead to a lot of frustration. That being said, if you find some good people to play with it can be a very rewarding game provided you have the patience for it.
As for learning, I don't think starting with books is the best idea. There's some good books that cover advanced strategies, and then there's a LOT of bullcrap too, especially books that try to teach you how to read "tells". A common noob mistake is to give too much significance to body language. Different people act differently and unless you know the players intimately, don't mind it at all, especially if you're in an unpredictable environment like a pub where alcohol is involved. Start by learning all the rules and playing a lot. If you can, find a local poker league. We have a couple around here that play in local bars. No real money directly involved - you pay a fee (per game or monthly, they vary), and then you usually get a prize like a bar tab or something of the sort. Playing against real players is where it's at. I wouldn't recommend you spend too much time online.
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