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On August 22 2012 22:38 Arcanefrost wrote:Show nested quote +3. Don't try to be nice to her all the time. Being jerk also helps. Be somewhere in the middle. Be yourself. Don't be a jerk just because you think it will cause attraction. Show nested quote +4. Be independent. Don't ask where she was last night. Look like you don't care. But try to learn the information from other sources. Why would you "look like you don't care" if you're in love with her, this is just stupid. Show nested quote +6. When you are meeting together with friends, or when you are in party... ignore her.
Don't ignore her, talk to her like you normally would. No better way to commence a romantic relationship. Show nested quote +1. Meet/date a new girl, the hotter the girl the better the effect. Try to setup so that she(friendzoner girl) saw you together. You're not only manipulating the girl you like and toying with her feelings, you're also using the other girl. If you do this you're a horrible person. Quite the opposite, be romantic towards your main target. You're in the friendzone because you were being her friend. From now on gradually increase touching/flirting/teasing. Stop pretending to be her friend if you want to be more. What most guys are doing is faking to be just her friend, and then one day coming up to her, when they feel like it's the right time, and going all "I LOVE YOU!". She won't understand where your feeling are coming from, she won't like you anymore because you were pretending to be her friend, but just wanted to get in her pants; she will think you're a liar and she will not like you back. Want to get out of the friendzone? Man the fuck up and start letting her know.
C'mon stop this bullshit, being nice and trying to be 'romantic' never works for that kind of girl. If it worked the girl would already be yours. These girls, who friendzone, typically like strong guys who are not romantized and don't seek to find love and such. They like the guys who are independent and are capable of doing something real, not giving flowers or just flirting. If you are really into that kind of girl you have to move away from standard romantic stereotype. Believe me, me and my wife, we don't chit chat or nice to eachother all the time. Don't get me wrong, we love each other. We have our romantic times when we need it, but mostly we are cold minded and work towards our goals. Its a real world, deal with it.
You're not only manipulating the girl you like and toying with her feelings, you're also using the other girl. If you do this you're a horrible person.
isn't friendzoning also manipulating? why guys can't use technics, afterall I am treating the girl.
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^Well if you only want to get with the girl for some limited amount of time you can use those tricks (ignoring her and such).
But if you're seeking a real relationship you have to be yourself or else it wont work anyway.
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On August 23 2012 15:46 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
^Well if you only want to get with the girl for some limited amount of time you can use those tricks (ignoring her and such).
But if you're seeking a real relationship you have to be yourself or else it wont work anyway.
The problem is, you're in love with her, and when a person is in love he does stupid stuff. Unless you control yourself and show a bit of ego you can't win her. Suppose this, you work somewhere and new recruit arrives, he will do everything to please you and tries hard not to fuck up, always addresses you as 'sir' and so on. You're always gonna look to him from above, right? Same is in friend-zone.
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You're right.
But controling yourself and showing a bit of ego =/= being a dick and trying to push buttons (at least to me).
I can see why people still do this, because they're doing stupid stuff , like you say.
Also, related to the guy below me:
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as someone who used to be friend-zone material for nearly every girl in his life and is now somewhat of a lady killer (I can start up a genuine conversation with just about any girl and be smooth and natural), I'd say it takes a complete personality shift to get out of the friendzone. primarily, becoming more confident, assertive and decisive. this doesn't mean hiding who you are and acting like something you're not; it means changing the way you act, permanently. this isn't something you can do overnight, but over a few months, you can change from stammering pile of awkward into confident ladies man.
take it from me... I used to get pretty much zero female interest, but now, I can get a girl's attention pretty easily. it's all in the way you act. most women like it when men take charge and show that confident streak. you can be a girl's best friend AND her shoulder to cry on AS WELL AS her boyfriend if you play your cards right. don't listen to anyone who says you need to play games or fake it to get female attention. just be confident and assertive and be yourself. everything else will fall into place when you do.
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On August 23 2012 15:56 Kleinmuuhg wrote:You're right. But controling yourself and showing a bit of ego =/= being a dick and trying to push buttons (at least to me). I can see why people still do this, because they're doing stupid stuff , like you say. Also, related to the guy below me: + Show Spoiler +
Well, I never told to be a jerk. I guess I was trying to say not to be too nice. Girls also do mistakes, and sometimes you need to be harsh, and not it let it go by. I know usually friend-zoned guys would be like 'Its ok, you did it by accident, dont worry' which pins them into deeper shit.
And, I think the post above is a much better advice.
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On August 23 2012 16:00 iamahydralisk wrote:
most women like it when men take charge and show that confident streak. you can be a girl's best friend AND her shoulder to cry on AS WELL AS her boyfriend if you play your cards right. don't listen to anyone who says you need to play games or fake it to get female attention. just be confident and assertive and be yourself. everything else will fall into place when you do.
There is some truth to this. I learned the hard way to not play games like pretending you will hang out/call then not do it. You do want to be conversationally assertive. A nice, applicable tip is to be a minor asshole (girls that enjoy compliment showers are really not worth my time because they're super insecure), but genuinely laugh at her jokes to show that you like her company. If she's not funny, then don't laugh because fakeness is lame and unless the girl is drunk off her ass they usually can sniff it out.
From experience, a veryyyyyyyy easy way to get friend zoned early on is to try and have extremely deep, meaningful conversation. Just like anything, start light and let the interest peak naturally.
Oh, last thing! Always better to strike out swinging then get caught lookin'. That's my policy at least  You miss 100% of the shots you don't take...all that bullshit. One day you just gotta stop pussying out and be straight. Don't let the fear control you!
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On August 22 2012 20:06 bokeevboke wrote:Somehow I got into 'friend-zone' term while surfing internet. Quite an interesting guy-topic. Not much stuff in TL about it though. I'm already married, and not likely that I'll get friend-zoned again, hooray!!! Given that I've been friend-zoned 3 times iirc I want to give some tips. I'm not alpha guy who strucks the girl at first time, I win girls over long time mostly. So here is my story: 1st was the most difficult and longest one. I ended up losing the girl while being in friend-zone. She didn't exactly use me, neither she told me to fuck off. I guess she knew that I was a potential boyfriend or husband. But I made a lot of mistakes and had bad qualities/behivours then. So I guess she was kinda waiting when I'm gonna realize it, but it was too late. 2nd one was rather short and I ended it myself. I was into the girl, but soon I realized I didn't like the girl. Funny though, when I lost interest in her she tried to win me back (as a boyfriend). 3rd one ended up rather good. We married. So here are my general tips: 1. Main rule: if you are in friend-zone its 100% that she is interested in you. Maybe she's keeping you as back up, or simply likes your company. That means a lot. She doesn't wanna lose you either way. 2. Don't always say ok. Try to help only with the things which she 'really' needs and doesn't consume a lot of time. Something quick and impactful. Imagine she is a guy friend, you'd say him fuck off if he asked something simple and stupid. Same applies here. 3. Don't try to be nice to her all the time. Being jerk also helps. Be somewhere in the middle. 4. Be independent. Don't ask where she was last night. Look like you don't care. But try to learn the information from other sources. 5. Make yourself busy, so that when she calls you could always say: Sorry I'm busy, gotta go to gym/swimming/whatever. But don't show off. 6. When you are meeting together with friends, or when you are in party... ignore her. 7. Never be romantic. 8. Look out for other guys (potential boyfriends she may end up with). If things are getting worse you gotta go all-in. I'm sure you get most of the idea. Killing blow, or moves you need to do to finally get out of the friendzone. 1. Meet/date a new girl, the hotter the girl the better the effect. Try to setup so that she(friendzoner girl) saw you together. But don't make it like you are to serious with the new girl. Even if the 'fake' date fails you already set up the alarm. Most likely your main target will start to think about you. 2. From now on you make your best to look good, be fit and (fake)happy. 3. Be romantic. But not towards your main target. 4. Set some serious goals in your life, it may be career, money or winning something, and let her know about it. A woman doesn't like man who seeks a life just to be with her. Mostly women like to be a support (as Sona, Soraka or Janna) to men who are trying to achieve something big. You may just fake this part 5. If everything works you will find her highly interested in you. Just dont 'fuck up' this time. 6. If nothing works, kiss her, or you may end up having sex. Most likely it will end your relation  After having many ups and downs I realize this is the best method. Don't have high expectations, but atleast try. Everything is situational though. GL HF.
This guy KNOWS HIS SHIT! These things DO WORK(well most of it, there are some things I disagree with). If you're too soft to bend morality in the pursuit of pussy or even relationships then you have no business looking for women. You guys need to accept the reality that the game is about manipulation. You all have way too many romantic ideals about how people really are. For fuck's sake grow up.
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On August 22 2012 20:06 bokeevboke wrote:
Killing blow, or moves you need to do to finally get out of the friendzone.
1. Meet/date a new girl, the hotter the girl the better the effect. Try to setup so that she(friendzoner girl) saw you together. But don't make it like you are to serious with the new girl. Even if the 'fake' date fails you already set up the alarm. Most likely your main target will start to think about you.
The above is an unbelievably powerful strategy. If a girl hotter than her is showing interest then something must be up. Think of a courtship like a screening. If a hotter girl is interested in you then you have been pre-screened by someone qualified so she knows you're a good product and will want to purchase. Don;t ask me why these things are so, its just the way women are wired.
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On August 23 2012 23:17 SarR wrote:
This guy KNOWS HIS SHIT! These things DO WORK(well most of it, there are some things I disagree with). If you're too soft to bend morality in the pursuit of pussy or even relationships then you have no business looking for women. You guys need to accept the reality that the game is about manipulation. You all have way too many romantic ideals about how people really are. For fuck's sake grow up.
I disagree with this, I would advice going for integrity in everything you do. If you are genuinely nice to a girl (nice doesn't mean being her puppy of course) and have good energy, you don't need to resort to manipulation and tricks. Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons. If you choose to manipulate women, they will get on to you eventually and your relationship will fall. Be a man of integrity, treat women with respect and leave them better than you found them.
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On August 23 2012 23:40 Arcanefrost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:17 SarR wrote:
This guy KNOWS HIS SHIT! These things DO WORK(well most of it, there are some things I disagree with). If you're too soft to bend morality in the pursuit of pussy or even relationships then you have no business looking for women. You guys need to accept the reality that the game is about manipulation. You all have way too many romantic ideals about how people really are. For fuck's sake grow up. I disagree with this, I would advice going for integrity in everything you do. If you are genuinely nice to a girl (nice doesn't mean being her puppy of course) and have good energy, you don't need to resort to manipulation and tricks. Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons. If you choose to manipulate women, they will get on to you eventually and your relationship will fall. Be a man of integrity, treat women with respect and leave them better than you found them.
Agree with this 100%. Too many people confuse the term "nice guy" with "pushover guy who does anything a girl wants." It's entirely possible (and even easy) to be nice, but still interesting to women. Being an ass or playing games isn't key; confidence is.
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The main thing I've noticed is that genuine women (ie, the ones who won't cheat on you/fuck you over/are actually looking for something long term) are attracted to you when you're genuine in return. If all you want is a quick lay, then by all means, play as many games and fake it as much as you want. If you want a real relationship, though, you have to build a real foundation or it's all going to come crashing down later. It's really hard to do that if you're playing a lot of silly games or doing the whole "fakedick" routine.
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On August 23 2012 23:40 Arcanefrost wrote:
Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons.
That statement is a contradiction. You cannot be assertive and a nice guy at the same time. Assertive people are usually the kind of people to be quite blunt about their opinions. People often interpret such a person as an asshole. This shit is insanely attractive to women. A man who says whatever is on his mind without a fuck of a care about what other think of him has little trouble with women.
On August 23 2012 23:46 iamahydralisk wrote:
Being an ass or playing games isn't key; confidence is.
Then why does it work ?
On August 23 2012 23:53 iamahydralisk wrote:
If you want a real relationship, though, you have to build a real foundation or it's all going to come crashing down later. It's really hard to do that if you're playing a lot of silly games or doing the whole "fakedick" routine.
In other words get boring and predictable ? WRONG, she's gonna end up fuckin some guy at work or maybe your brother or your best friend, just anybody more interesting than you. Play games, get in her head, make her jealous, make her cry, when she gets you angry tell her to "shut the fuck up" or give her the silent treatment, pound the table and stare her in her eye like you wanna snap her neck when she says or does some bullshit you don't approve of. Do these things from time to time(please note not all the time) and she'd come to worship the ground you walk on. I shit you not when I say this.
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On August 24 2012 04:41 SarR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:40 Arcanefrost wrote:
Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons. That statement is a contradiction. You cannot be assertive and a nice guy at the same time. Assertive people are usually the kind of people to be quite blunt about their opinions. People often interpret such a person as an asshole. This shit is insanely attractive to women. A man who says whatever is on his mind without a fuck of a care about what other think of him has little trouble with women. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:46 iamahydralisk wrote:
Being an ass or playing games isn't key; confidence is. Then why does it work ? Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:53 iamahydralisk wrote:
If you want a real relationship, though, you have to build a real foundation or it's all going to come crashing down later. It's really hard to do that if you're playing a lot of silly games or doing the whole "fakedick" routine. In other words get boring and predictable ? WRONG, she's gonna end up fuckin some guy at work or maybe your brother or your best friend, just anybody more interesting than you. Play games, get in her head, make her jealous, make her cry, when she gets you angry tell her to "shut the fuck up" or give her the silent treatment, pound the table and stare her in her eye like you wanna snap her neck when she says or does some bullshit you don't approve of. Do these things from time to time(please note not all the time) and she'd come to worship the ground you walk on. I shit you not when I say this.
What the fuck? that's just plain fucking abusive.
Maybe you could try actually being a person , having opinions doesn't make one an asshole. Being comfortable with who you are and not hiding it =/= being a fucking asshole.
I mean I can understand making a girl cry if it's just a mis match of personalities or something and there's no real romance. But going out of your way to make a girl who you're going out with/interested in cry is pathetic, and clearly abusive emotionally.
Anyone who should read this thread , do not take the above advice. It is completely ludicrous.
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On August 24 2012 04:41 SarR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:40 Arcanefrost wrote:
Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons. That statement is a contradiction. You cannot be assertive and a nice guy at the same time. Assertive people are usually the kind of people to be quite blunt about their opinions. People often interpret such a person as an asshole. This shit is insanely attractive to women. A man who says whatever is on his mind without a fuck of a care about what other think of him has little trouble with women. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:46 iamahydralisk wrote:
Being an ass or playing games isn't key; confidence is. Then why does it work ? Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:53 iamahydralisk wrote:
If you want a real relationship, though, you have to build a real foundation or it's all going to come crashing down later. It's really hard to do that if you're playing a lot of silly games or doing the whole "fakedick" routine. In other words get boring and predictable ? WRONG, she's gonna end up fuckin some guy at work or maybe your brother or your best friend, just anybody more interesting than you. Play games, get in her head, make her jealous, make her cry, when she gets you angry tell her to "shut the fuck up" or give her the silent treatment, pound the table and stare her in her eye like you wanna snap her neck when she says or does some bullshit you don't approve of. Do these things from time to time(please note not all the time) and she'd come to worship the ground you walk on. I shit you not when I say this.
I'm not even going to respond to you lol. your views of relationships are clearly warped and childish to anyone with half a brain.
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The only difference between a working relationship and a working friendship is... DINGDINGDING. SEX.
Physical escalation + friendship = sexual relationship. The end. There is no other theme in the whole context of seduction that's as misunderstood as escalating from the friendzone. It's incredibly easy. Just the guys who usually end up there don't have the attitude, the frame, to actually get it done properly.
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On August 24 2012 05:02 Elsid wrote: What the fuck? that's just plain fucking abusive.
Notice I said in brackets not all the time. If you do this all the time only then its abusive. As a guideline, you should think of it as punishing bad behavior. Too many times men let their better halves off with “Oh its ok honey”. NO...its not okay. You make her very aware how much you don't like it. The volume of your rage/reaction would be related how bad the offense was. Eg. Blowing you off for a date or a meeting should earn her the brooding silence with soul tearing cold stares as you slowly come around while she profusely apologizes. Flirting with another man or even the appearance of it should earn a period of indifference where you just don't give a shit about anything she does or how she's feeling or how her sick mother is doing, even indicating, by actions more than words, that you're ready to walk out of the relationship.(this is a power play, you have the power to walk out any time you want.). Its about know when and what punishments to apply. Don't let them off easy.
On August 24 2012 05:02 Elsid wrote:
Maybe you could try actually being a person , having opinions doesn't make one an asshole. Being comfortable with who you are and not hiding it =/= being a fucking asshole.
Thats easy when you're opinions are alligned with all the politcally correct bullshit 90% of people cling too. Lets see you not be an asshole when your opinions differ and even offend others. See how that works out for ya.
On August 24 2012 05:02 Elsid wrote:
But going out of your way to make a girl who you're going out with/interested in cry is pathetic, and clearly abusive emotionally.
This got my dick sucked and deep-throated, something I had trouble making happen on the best moods with a particular someone I was fuckin. As for it being abusive, my experience has been that the women become more agreeable, pliant and accomodating....at least until I do it again. If that's pathetic, the I strongly advise all men to be just as pathetic. I take it as a badge of honor.
I'm sorry if my ideas offend you but my experience has taught me these things and they NEVER EVER fail....sorry
I should also mention that this is no game to me. Doing these things come as natural as breathing to me. I'm just trying to tell you guys what works.
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On August 24 2012 04:41 SarR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:40 Arcanefrost wrote:
Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons. That statement is a contradiction. You cannot be assertive and a nice guy at the same time. Assertive people are usually the kind of people to be quite blunt about their opinions. People often interpret such a person as an asshole. This shit is insanely attractive to women. A man who says whatever is on his mind without a fuck of a care about what other think of him has little trouble with women. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:46 iamahydralisk wrote:
Being an ass or playing games isn't key; confidence is. Then why does it work ? Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:53 iamahydralisk wrote:
If you want a real relationship, though, you have to build a real foundation or it's all going to come crashing down later. It's really hard to do that if you're playing a lot of silly games or doing the whole "fakedick" routine. In other words get boring and predictable ? WRONG, she's gonna end up fuckin some guy at work or maybe your brother or your best friend, just anybody more interesting than you. Play games, get in her head, make her jealous, make her cry, when she gets you angry tell her to "shut the fuck up" or give her the silent treatment, pound the table and stare her in her eye like you wanna snap her neck when she says or does some bullshit you don't approve of. Do these things from time to time(please note not all the time) and she'd come to worship the ground you walk on. I shit you not when I say this.
Being assertive is a part of integrity, it is standing by your opinion while respecting others. It is not the same as being an asshole.
You're right, playing games can work. But you're on a crossroad here, and you can choose manipulation or integrity. If you want to lie, manipulate and play games with girl you can do that, but after a while these women will hate you, and in the ennd you won't like yourself anymore either. If you think sleeping with a lot of women will fill that hole inside of you, make you look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see, you're wrong. The other option is integrity, being honest and confident. You like people who are real and genuinely nice, but do you like people who are fake and manipulate? Hell no.
These things you say can work, but just reread what you just wrote. This is another person we're talking about, she is someone's daughter or sister, respect her and leave her better than you found her. What you are describing is pure emotional abuse, how could you ever make someone you love cry/feel jealous/... or yell at her/make her feel horrible/... for no reason but to drag her further into your grip. It doesn't even matter whether it works, if you live like this you're a sad person. It's up to you, but I'd chose integrity any day.
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On August 24 2012 05:38 iamahydralisk wrote:
I'm not even going to respond to you lol. your views of relationships are clearly warped and childish to anyone with half a brain.
Being childish is not a bad trade for getting pussy so I have no problem with your assessment of me
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On August 24 2012 05:53 Arcanefrost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:41 SarR wrote:On August 23 2012 23:40 Arcanefrost wrote:
Be an honest, confident, assertive, independent, nice guy, and people will like you for the right reasons. That statement is a contradiction. You cannot be assertive and a nice guy at the same time. Assertive people are usually the kind of people to be quite blunt about their opinions. People often interpret such a person as an asshole. This shit is insanely attractive to women. A man who says whatever is on his mind without a fuck of a care about what other think of him has little trouble with women. On August 23 2012 23:46 iamahydralisk wrote:
Being an ass or playing games isn't key; confidence is. Then why does it work ? On August 23 2012 23:53 iamahydralisk wrote:
If you want a real relationship, though, you have to build a real foundation or it's all going to come crashing down later. It's really hard to do that if you're playing a lot of silly games or doing the whole "fakedick" routine. In other words get boring and predictable ? WRONG, she's gonna end up fuckin some guy at work or maybe your brother or your best friend, just anybody more interesting than you. Play games, get in her head, make her jealous, make her cry, when she gets you angry tell her to "shut the fuck up" or give her the silent treatment, pound the table and stare her in her eye like you wanna snap her neck when she says or does some bullshit you don't approve of. Do these things from time to time(please note not all the time) and she'd come to worship the ground you walk on. I shit you not when I say this. Being assertive is a part of integrity, it is standing by your opinion while respecting others. It is not the same as being an asshole. You're right, playing games can work. But you're on a crossroad here, and you can choose manipulation or integrity. If you want to lie, manipulate and play games with girl you can do that, but after a while these women will hate you, and in the ennd you won't like yourself anymore either. If you think sleeping with a lot of women will fill that hole inside of you, make you look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see, you're wrong. The other option is integrity, being honest and confident. You like people who are real and genuinely nice, but do you like people who are fake and manipulate? Hell no. These things you say can work, but just reread what you just wrote. This is another person we're talking about, she is someone's daughter or sister, respect her and leave her better than you found her. What you are describing is pure emotional abuse, how could you ever make someone you love cry/feel jealous/... or yell at her/make her feel horrible/... for no reason but to drag her further into your grip. It doesn't even matter whether it works, if you live like this you're a sad person. It's up to you, but I'd chose integrity any day.
great post here. sure, playing games can work, but IMO, a good rule of thumb for relationships (and a lot of things in life) is that you get out what you put in. good attracts good and bad attracts bad. in other words, if you put in lies and deceit, you're going to attract girls who will do the same thing to you. lying and playing emotionally abusive games might get you laid, sure, but it's never going to get you a long lasting, healthy relationship with the girl of your dreams.
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On August 24 2012 05:57 SarR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:38 iamahydralisk wrote:
I'm not even going to respond to you lol. your views of relationships are clearly warped and childish to anyone with half a brain. Being childish is not a bad trade for getting pussy so I have no problem with your assessment of me
aaaand you just proved my point. if all you care about is getting laid, then glhf. you can find plenty of skanks who'll rip their panties off for you (that's more because they're skanks and less because your method works, though). good luck trying to have a healthy and long lasting relationship with a genuine woman, though. women who actually want more than casual sex (hint: something monogamous followed by settling down) will see through your bullshit eventually and you'll get your ass kicked to the curb.
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