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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
January 30 2008 12:39 GMT
#61
i'm not gonna write a whole lot here but TechniQ.UK, kindly be aware that every single argument you're making is based on circular logic
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f0rgiv3n
Profile Joined January 2008
United States112 Posts
January 30 2008 15:32 GMT
#62
I think what Techniq was trying to do here you guys was answer the questions based on what he believes and what he has found to be true. We're not sitting here trying to nit-pick everyone's belief and make you feel bad : ). Just answering them based on what we have found to be true and on what foundation we believe(i say we because I have answered a couple things and have been asked a few things as well). But anyways it's always fun to discuss answer these questions, Althought it's hard, i believe it's necessary to keep the respect for everyone as much as possible and I appreciate everyone doing so. It's hard to have these discussions sometimes because people get all riled up and it makes it almost impossible to have an intelligent conversation! . Just thought i might put this in there : )
chicken`
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany3478 Posts
January 30 2008 20:16 GMT
#63
On January 30 2008 18:03 Yuljan wrote:
A question not directly related to christianity. But did you have alot of self esteem issues? You sound like some overzealous fanatic and I met many muslims who arent as hateful as you are. Some of you claim the bible isnt meant to be taken literally, but those muslims say the same about the quran. I would consider you the same as those hardcore muslim suicide bombers, because you have the perfect personality. Im sure a young boy like you can easily be influenced to die for his religion and thinking its honorable. Its funny you hate those who are most similar to yourself.


so true.
jeremy clarkson = god
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-30 21:44:27
January 30 2008 21:41 GMT
#64
On January 30 2008 05:13 Jibba wrote:
f0rgiv3n,

Show nested quote +
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
-Matthew 5:18-19
-Jesus confirming the Old Testament in the New Testament.

Why wouldn't you follow the passage from Deuteronomy? Personally, I wouldn't because I believe it's immoral.

As for Pascal, my point was that he is not using rational thinking. Rational thinking entails both a sound and valid argument. His argument is structurally valid (if you believe the premises, the conclusion is 100% true), but its premises are bad therefore it isn't sound. I can think of plenty of reasons to believe in God, but rational thinking is not one of them. That is the point of faith, and on that I cannot dispute you.

The old testament is known in the bible as "The Law".
Since people are naturally born sinners and always were..
How could humanity earn a moral compass for good without a set of law/punish system if we are born sinners? The Law is self-explanatory word of what God instruct us to do and punished sin and corruption of man to acquire a moral compass. How would we know whats wrong and whats right without a set of punishments to make humanity better and morally right? I believe thats an example of how God wants the best for us and the love of God for humanity.
Exactly like Father and Son. Father punishes son when he does wrong, so the son grow up right and to understand whats wrong/right thing to do.
man
Profile Joined November 2005
United States272 Posts
January 30 2008 22:51 GMT
#65
On January 30 2008 17:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
My next question, if I may, concerns different religions. Hindus, Muslims, Pagans the world over have had similar experiences with a god or gods. They, being in a different part of the world or living at a different time, chalk their experience up to a different entity. Presumably they are all wrong, what makes you think you are correct?

The way it works is that diety's like hindu gods, allah etc... (and allah is not the god of the bible so lets not even go there) they are a front for the devil, any man made false gods, or idols such as rocks etc... that are used in islam, this is also a front for the devil, therefore the belief and power from this worship goes to him and not the true living God of the bible, this is why its a sin. Now any experiences they got from their belief in islam, hinduism etc... is basically this, the devil throwing his worshippers a bone, to keep them believing and to rail them in deeper and deeper to do his bidding, this is how we get suicide bombers, islamic extremists. I mean how does the living God of the bible go from saying hey, your all saved by Yah'shua so stop sinning and hating, to sending another prophet muhammmad who is instructing people to kill and to go crazy and get angry for their religion, as i said before its also said that allah went down to hell to torture souls from time to time, do you really think his Holyness, the greatest being the most Holy and powerful and kind and loving God the father, went down to hell to satisfy his amusement? Ofcourse not.

Allah is the God of the Bible, just as the God of the Bible is the God of the Torah. Each one just added their own crap to what was already there.
man
Profile Joined November 2005
United States272 Posts
January 30 2008 22:56 GMT
#66
On January 31 2008 06:41 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2008 05:13 Jibba wrote:
f0rgiv3n,

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
-Matthew 5:18-19
-Jesus confirming the Old Testament in the New Testament.

Why wouldn't you follow the passage from Deuteronomy? Personally, I wouldn't because I believe it's immoral.

As for Pascal, my point was that he is not using rational thinking. Rational thinking entails both a sound and valid argument. His argument is structurally valid (if you believe the premises, the conclusion is 100% true), but its premises are bad therefore it isn't sound. I can think of plenty of reasons to believe in God, but rational thinking is not one of them. That is the point of faith, and on that I cannot dispute you.

The old testament is known in the bible as "The Law".
Since people are naturally born sinners and always were..
How could humanity earn a moral compass for good without a set of law/punish system if we are born sinners? The Law is self-explanatory word of what God instruct us to do and punished sin and corruption of man to acquire a moral compass. How would we know whats wrong and whats right without a set of punishments to make humanity better and morally right? I believe thats an example of how God wants the best for us and the love of God for humanity.
Exactly like Father and Son. Father punishes son when he does wrong, so the son grow up right and to understand whats wrong/right thing to do.

Human morality does not come from Christianity. If you followed Old Testament laws, you would be thrown in jail.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 30 2008 23:05 GMT
#67
sure you would, we now understand the concept of right/wrong thanks to the set of law/punish system that god made for us to acquire a moral compass on whats wrong to do and right.
TechniQ.UK
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United Kingdom391 Posts
January 30 2008 23:47 GMT
#68
i dont hate muslims i think there the greatest religious followers in the world, i just hate they follow the wrong religion.
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man
Profile Joined November 2005
United States272 Posts
January 30 2008 23:50 GMT
#69
Human morality existed before Christianity. See Hammurabi's code. Societies without Christianity have morality; it's a human trait, not one derived from religion.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-31 00:23:36
January 31 2008 00:23 GMT
#70
your missing the point in my whole post, im not saying a religion gives you morality.
http://www.gospelway.com/morality/index.php ill give you a link if you want to read some more about this
suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
January 31 2008 00:42 GMT
#71
TechniQ you are the prime example of a fucking useless religious zealot for the quote OverTheUnder listed.


ONCE AGAIN I WILL RESTATE...THE MUSLIM GOD IS THE SAME AS THE JEWISH GOD! CHRISTIANS DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN GOD, THEY STOLE IT FROM THE JEWS. DEAL WITH IT.
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 31 2008 01:02 GMT
#72
If we didn't come from Adam and Eve. (read: 4.7 billion year old earth) and there is no original sin, then why did should consider christianity as my choice of religion ?
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 31 2008 01:14 GMT
#73
On January 31 2008 06:41 ilj.psa wrote:
The old testament is known in the bible as "The Law".


That's incorrect. The Torah is The Law, and the Torah is only one part of the Tanakh.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
January 31 2008 01:43 GMT
#74
Can God time travel?
~o~ I have returned
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 31 2008 01:54 GMT
#75
On January 31 2008 08:05 ilj.psa wrote:
sure you would, we now understand the concept of right/wrong thanks to the set of law/punish system that god made for us to acquire a moral compass on whats wrong to do and right.
So you support the stoning of friends/family/anyone who tries to lead you astray from Christianity? At certain points in the Bible, Jesus supports the Golden Rule, but there are many other religions who do a much more consistent job of teaching love/compassion, and there are clearly points within the Bible where the word of God is NOT compassionate or forgiving.

Do you believe slavery is morally admissible because the New Testament does? These are contradictions that you cannot ignore, and leaving them up for "interpretation" in the 21st century is not a viable option, because they are still moral according to the word of God. If you believe they are immoral, which I hope you do, then you're doing so based on a set of morals that are independent of the Bible.

Belief set Z is consistent with set Y in the Bible, but inconsistent with set X in the Bible. You support set Z, therefore you reject set X. That's fine, but clearly set Z does not exist because the Bible says it does.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-31 22:36:15
January 31 2008 22:35 GMT
#76
On January 31 2008 08:47 TechniQ.UK wrote:
i dont hate muslims i think there the greatest religious followers in the world, i just hate they follow the wrong religion.

Wow, just wow...

I don't hate you, I just hate that you follow the wrong lifestyle.

What a fool you are. Religion is for the weak.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-31 22:41:52
January 31 2008 22:38 GMT
#77
On January 31 2008 10:14 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2008 06:41 ilj.psa wrote:
The old testament is known in the bible as "The Law".


That's incorrect. The Torah is The Law, and the Torah is only one part of the Tanakh.

No your wrong, The Old testament is the Torah in Judaism. Jews also know the Torah as the Tanakh.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-31 23:02:16
January 31 2008 22:58 GMT
#78
On January 31 2008 10:54 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2008 08:05 ilj.psa wrote:
sure you would, we now understand the concept of right/wrong thanks to the set of law/punish system that god made for us to acquire a moral compass on whats wrong to do and right.
So you support the stoning of friends/family/anyone who tries to lead you astray from Christianity? At certain points in the Bible, Jesus supports the Golden Rule, but there are many other religions who do a much more consistent job of teaching love/compassion, and there are clearly points within the Bible where the word of God is NOT compassionate or forgiving.

Do you believe slavery is morally admissible because the New Testament does? These are contradictions that you cannot ignore, and leaving them up for "interpretation" in the 21st century is not a viable option, because they are still moral according to the word of God. If you believe they are immoral, which I hope you do, then you're doing so based on a set of morals that are independent of the Bible.

Belief set Z is consistent with set Y in the Bible, but inconsistent with set X in the Bible. You support set Z, therefore you reject set X. That's fine, but clearly set Z does not exist because the Bible says it does.


Thats a misleading argument, since Slavery was like a job(kinda like a servant nowadays) and a way of life back then in the Roman empire which is not at all like slavery is today, which its horrible
Ill give you a link to read if your interested about this and if you have enough time:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 31 2008 23:03 GMT
#79
On February 01 2008 07:58 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2008 10:54 Jibba wrote:
On January 31 2008 08:05 ilj.psa wrote:
sure you would, we now understand the concept of right/wrong thanks to the set of law/punish system that god made for us to acquire a moral compass on whats wrong to do and right.
So you support the stoning of friends/family/anyone who tries to lead you astray from Christianity? At certain points in the Bible, Jesus supports the Golden Rule, but there are many other religions who do a much more consistent job of teaching love/compassion, and there are clearly points within the Bible where the word of God is NOT compassionate or forgiving.

Do you believe slavery is morally admissible because the New Testament does? These are contradictions that you cannot ignore, and leaving them up for "interpretation" in the 21st century is not a viable option, because they are still moral according to the word of God. If you believe they are immoral, which I hope you do, then you're doing so based on a set of morals that are independent of the Bible.

Belief set Z is consistent with set Y in the Bible, but inconsistent with set X in the Bible. You support set Z, therefore you reject set X. That's fine, but clearly set Z does not exist because the Bible says it does.


Thats a misleading argument, since Slavery was like a job and a way of life back then in the Roman empire which is not at all like slavery is today.
Ill give you a link to read if your interested about this and if you have enough time:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html

It wasn't a job. I agree that it can be misleading because American slavery was uniquely fueled by hatred, whereas most ancient forms of slavery were essentially with the use of POWs. With that said, it's still control of another human being.

You can go beyond the slavery example. There's plenty of other examples in the Bible of support of unscrupulous behavior that most people would find despicable by our current moral standards.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
f0rgiv3n
Profile Joined January 2008
United States112 Posts
January 31 2008 23:09 GMT
#80
On February 01 2008 07:35 Phyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2008 08:47 TechniQ.UK wrote:
i dont hate muslims i think there the greatest religious followers in the world, i just hate they follow the wrong religion.

Wow, just wow...

I don't hate you, I just hate that you follow the wrong lifestyle.

What a fool you are. Religion is for the weak.

I don't want to put words in his mouth but what he's trying to say I think is "don't hate the person, hate the sin" and that is by what I try to live my life.
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