tldr: Embrace new players without allowing them to be disrespectful. New players should not discuss balance and as long as the new players respect the (unspoken) rules of tl.net - offer them advice.
While everyone is talking about Stormgate I haven't given up on SC2. Some time ago, I had one of my >bathtub epiphanies< (should I try to copyright that expression?). This time it was that I don't like RTS games, I love Starcraft (BW and SC2), but Age of Empires, Stormgate and whatever title I did not miss - I'm not sure that I actually want to learn a new game (except SC3 of course) anymore. I'm 43, and I'm confident enough to show business partners my World of Warcraft video to explain things, for example SEDO (search engine deoptimization). My confidence is so good that I can link my first five games since a long time (I might have played some other games vs AI).
The funny thing is that tl.net blogs are actually found by Google pretty easily, Try to Google any blog title written during the last ten days. So for me, writing about being terrible at Starcraft actually helps my business once I connect the name >Hildegard< officially to mine.
As you can see, I try different things each time I play and often had less than 20 seconds of being supply capped and that often deliberately. Inspired by the GSL, but not copying build orders, I can do whatever I want, and it feels great playing one of the hardest games to master in such a way.
We need to normalize being terrible at Starcraft again. However, we should not allow terrible players like me to comment on balance. I think we need a newbie area and at least master (better grandmaster) rank to be allowed to discuss balance. We could open an area to ask questions about balance, but looking at my own history of writing on tl.net - some amount of elitism is necessary. At the same time, helping players to get started and teaching them the usage of the search function would also be great.
TL.net is undeniably one of if not the best site on the World Wide Web to discuss high-level gameplay. We (better you) don't need arrogance against new players, as long as they respect the pecking order.
Brood War normalizes it with coach pupil league, and we accept any and all terrible players in there. The only gripe with it is that new/bad players don't tend to stay in their lane and start, as you say, complaining about balance or giving bad strategy advice thinking they know more than they really do.
Low-APM, low keyboard mastery, new players experience the game differently. Other low-APM, low keyboard mastery players might be best suited to teach improvement methods.
A solution for a low-APM , low-keyboard mastery type of player won't be the same as a solution for a person with Masters/Diamond level keyboard mastery capable of making 3X as many decisions per minute as a Silver Leaguer. Likewise , a solution for a person at the top of GM is not suitable for a Masters/Diamond level player due to differences in keyboard mastery, APM, and decisions per minute.
You end up with these different levels of players talking past each other on discussion boards such as this one. It is way more fun playing RTS at a PC Bang and you can learn way more in person.
if you can... find a PC Bang with some RTS players.
On December 19 2023 05:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Other low-APM, low keyboard mastery players might be best suited to teach improvement methods.
I can think of basically no other hobby/sport/endeavor where this is the case. Every "good" player has gone through this phase of playing the game and has played and trained with others who have done the same thing. A player who has never gotten "good" shouldn't have a say in how slightly-more-bad players should approach the game in order to become "good", because there is a reason why that player never became "good" themselves. This is like having a 3rd grader tutoring a 1st grader in math instead of a teacher/tutor, it makes no sense whatsoever.
TLDR: Being a bad player does not automatically make you a better teacher for other bad players. This is a horrible take IMO.
On December 19 2023 05:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Other low-APM, low keyboard mastery players might be best suited to teach improvement methods.
I can think of basically no other hobby/sport/endeavor where this is the case. Every "good" player has gone through this phase of playing the game and has played and trained with others who have done the same thing. A player who has never gotten "good" shouldn't have a say in how slightly-more-bad players should approach the game in order to become "good", because there is a reason why that player never became "good" themselves. This is like having a 3rd grader tutoring a 1st grader in math instead of a teacher/tutor, it makes no sense whatsoever.
TLDR: Being a bad player does not automatically make you a better teacher for other bad players. This is a horrible take IMO.
this is a horrible take , IMO.
i don't think you can make a planet wide statement about primary school math teachers. so i'll stick to Canada and the USA. in NA, school teachers are fucking horrible at math. that is why they make such good math teachers at low levels. i'd never have a fellow in the casualty society of actuaries teach primary school math even though the fellow is super elite in math.
Please keep in mind Mini as an example. I doubt we have reached the pinnacle of RTS training methods, but a lot has improved. For example, the team houses annihilating the players' wrists with excessively much practice are a thing of the past.
I will use this thread for my shameless self-promotion and post about my progress. My current plan is to win with each race as random three times on elite difficulty (but no handicap) and then switch to ladder games. Sadly, I lost access to my main battle.net account and can't retrieve it. I even told them that a f***ing character is named after me in WoW, and they just didn't respond to my e-mail.
In addition, it was Zerg instead of Terran. I play Protoss since 1997 or 1998, when I was teaching kids (as a teenager) in the "Computerschule Münchingen". There we had a LAN for eight players and CD-ROMs for Starcraft and later BroodWar. We constantly needed to re-install Starcraft for reasons I don't remember. Fun times. But my point is, actually: Six games as random and no Protoss, yet. Are the Gods of SC2 (probably some form of intelligent dust AI) trying to tell me something?
My favourite "path to the Dark Side" was the Charlize Theron speech playing as Aileen Wournos. Christenson is a good actor... Charlize is next fucking level. For me, Aileen Wournos in Monster was way better than the evolution of Darth Vader in those early 2000s Star Wars movies.
Darth Vader is boring compared to Aileen Wournos. BORING.
On December 20 2023 22:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: My favourite "path to the Dark Side" was the Charlize Theron speech playing as Aileen Wournos. Christenson is a good actor... Charlize is next fucking level. For me, Aileen Wournos in Monster was way better than the evolution of Darth Vader in those early 2000s Star Wars movies.
That is indeed great acting, but I don't recall the movie or the show, I recently re-watched Phantom Menace (but this time in English) and the child actor can't be blamed, but has some terrible voice lines. Because of that, the German version is probably better.
Edit: Sorry, I forgot parts of my answer. Today, Darth Vader might have become boring because there is no mystery left. But in my teenage years he was very impressive, and I loved listening to his theme.
I liked the 2005 movie where he became Darth Vader at the end. Darth Vader's life story, over all, is pretty interesting. Like maybe 8/10.
I just meant that compared to Aileen Wournos, who is 10/10, Darth Vader is not interesting. I probably did not express it properly in my previous post.
The 2003 movie "Monster" is my #2 favourite movie of all time. The Star Wars movies are really solid. However, none are in my top 5 of all time.
This scene takes place in teh 1980s when typing was actually a "skill". LOL.
The Rolling Stones eh? Gimme Shelter is my favourite Stones tune. in NA they are somtimes referred to as "The Stones".
I love the shot of JFK @0:37s in this promo trailer. My Steam name is "Lee Harvey Oswald". I sometimes get banned from Steam groups for using a controversial name.
On December 22 2023 02:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ah, interesting points.
I liked the 2005 movie where he became Darth Vader at the end. Darth Vader's life story, over all, is pretty interesting. Like maybe 8/10.
I just meant that compared to Aileen Wournos, who is 10/10, Darth Vader is not interesting. I probably did not express it properly in my previous post.
The 2003 movie "Monster" is my #2 favourite movie of all time. The Star Wars movies are really solid. However, none are in my top 5 of all time.
I love the shot of JFK @0:37s in this promo trailer. My Steam name is "Lee Harvey Oswald". I sometimes get banned from Steam groups for using a controversial name.
First, it's a pleasure to communicate with you, and I added Monster to my watchlist. In 2003 (age 23) my mind wasn't developed enough to be a feminist. I read Houellebecq's "Atomised" and agreed with him that the 21st century would be a female one. But I knew too few women that reached the quality level I strived for. That's probably why I missed the film. I worked on 13001Frioul at that time and became assistant to Stefan Asmus. There I met a woman called Britta Wandaogo who was far ahead of her time. She made documentaries centred around her own life. While this is now trivial because of social media. Back in 2003 it was revolutionary. And by the way, typing is still a skill. It makes hitting the correct areas of the keyboard a lot easier in StarCraft.
I'm not a typical Stones fan. I don't recall listening to one of their albums from start to finish ever. Apart from Sympathy for the Devil (amazing lyrics and that samba sound) Paint it Black (perfect Sing-a-long with non-trivial lyrics) and Mother's Little Helper (we went over the lyrics in 7th grade I think, and it was one of the first songs that I understood the lyrics of). In the 80s until the mid 90s, lyrics were not accessible outside of magazines or paying a huge amount of money for an album with an inlet. So it was quite common to misinterpret lyrics and only realize years later what the song was actually about.
I think I was 12 when Oliver Stone's JFK came into the cinemas and I watched it because at that time Kevin Costner (Dances with Wolves and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves) was the most popular actor. I didn't understand everything, but got hooked onto conspiracy theories. Back in the early nineties, those were not fringe right wing bullshit, but rather interesting to discuss with other X-File connoisseurs. What I miss most of that time is the mystery everything had. There was no Wikipedia, no guides explaining everything step by step. Having taste in music or fashion or films required dedication, and the social ladder of the 13-year German school education was build on those three skills plus having sex, doing drugs and smoking. I knew of one guy who was allegedly gay, but never talked to him. Being gay was something stars like Freddy Mercury were.
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