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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
breaking the spell was an excellent book, dennet is probably the best suited for the leadership position that dawkins isnt. whether its genuine or not he comes off as much more open minded and accepting, while still making the same points in the end. never read hitchens though. | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On September 25 2007 06:27 IdrA wrote: the end of faith was interesting, but harris' views on some of the fringe topics like parapsychology were kind of odd Haha, exactly what I thought when reading about that. He has some very controversial ideas. He also had some discussion where he -almost- justified torture of prisoners by comparing the situation to having to accept certain civil casualties in wars. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On September 25 2007 05:16 jtan wrote: Care to expand on what it is we misunderstand? I already know you and like-minded people (ie, those who look to people like Dawkins for the last word) are incredibly static, so your challenge is not genuine, but a primer for all the ways you could inform me of my ignorance. But since you do not come to the table with an open-mind, you remove my motivation to have a discussion. In general, if I come to the table fronting "Position-A", and you come with "Position-B", I would normally listen-to and discuss Position-B, but since Position-B's primary precondition is that "Position-A" is wrong, there will undoubtedly be circular reasoning. And name-calling. Additionally, this speck of a topic is localized to the blog section, where my prose would not see it's deserved audience, and so I have chosen to forego the effort entirely. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
On September 25 2007 04:44 jtan wrote: Yeah, just like every christian think god loves them more than any athesit. People always think they are better then people they believe are wrong. where u get that from? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 25 2007 09:55 HeadBangaa wrote: making an unfounded statement and then refusing to provide any reasoning behind it is hardly any better than the endless religious vs atheism debates. Because as a community, we've walked this path many times, and today, I'd like to step out of the box and comment on the context of such questions. i would assume your initial statement simply meant that secularists dont understand that most religious people have no problem basing their beliefs off of faith at the expense of rationality or logic. thats not true, we realize theyre willing to do it, but that doesnt make it any easier to accept. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
if you believe you're right and people who disagree are wrong, obviously you think your position is superior to theirs. | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
On September 25 2007 10:34 IdrA wrote: if you believe you're right and people who disagree are wrong, obviously you think your position is superior to theirs. yeah were talking about superior persons not positions, which is not true ,i like how u twist that one tho. and about what you say about different positions that goes for atheists and all people in the world too. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 25 2007 10:55 TesisMech wrote: yeah were talking about superior persons not positions, which is not true ,i like how u twist that one tho. and about what you say about different positions that goes for atheists and all people in the world too. a person is defined by what how they act and what they think, believing you are right about a very important issue, and that others are wrong, would make you a superior person. at least in that respect and yes, i never denied that. its kind of inherent in what i stated. religious people are not the only ones who believe they are right and people who disagree are wrong. | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
On September 25 2007 11:08 IdrA wrote: a person is defined by what how they act and what they think, believing you are right about a very important issue, and that others are wrong, would make you a superior person. at least in that respect and yes, i never denied that. its kind of inherent in what i stated. religious people are not the only ones who believe they are right and people who disagree are wrong. If we play along in what you say, being superior in a subject according to you , would just make you superior in that subject according to you, not the ENTIRE person. "Superior" its a terrible choice of word anyways, its like suggesting right now that you are being superior than me in this argument just because we disagree. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
its common sense, you're just annoyed by the wording because you're trained to think of everyone as equals and the idea of one person being superior to another seems odd. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
I dont think Dakwins thinks his superior to anyone who disagree with him Christians.. its just different positions, believing in a superior position =/= being a superior human being. anyways are we really debating about this? | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 25 2007 11:59 TesisMech wrote: na im more annoyed at the term "trained to think" than a person being "superior". I dont think Dakwins thinks his superior to anyone who disagree with him Christians.. its just different positions, believing in a superior position =/= being a superior human being. anyways are we really debating about this? yes we are, because you questioned someones statement about christians believing they are better than non believers. and you're still missing the point, but theres not much more to do but reiterate what ive already said so you're just going to keep missing the point. so i wont bother. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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