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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 25 2007 08:32 GMT
#41
i dream of the day science converges with religion or disproves it
either or
i'm not fussy
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 25 2007 18:41 GMT
#42
On September 25 2007 17:21 HeadBangaa wrote:
The problem Idra, is that you and the others will not respect the person you are arguing with, which makes nobody want to discuss. We don't need to relive it to substantiate it, we've been here long enough, we've seen enough religion vs atheism threads. You asking me to substantiate that fact is an attempt to obfuscate.

previous religion vs atheism threads dont support that 'fact'. more often than not they are reasonably civil discussions that calmly die out as people run out of arguments. overt flame wars are rare and are usually sparked by someone being an idiot outside the context of the discussion itself.

and i said you should substantiate your claim that atheists misunderstand you, if you want respect you probably shouldnt make unfounded blanket statements about the other side.
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TesisMech
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Peru688 Posts
September 25 2007 21:40 GMT
#43
On September 25 2007 12:26 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2007 11:59 TesisMech wrote:
na im more annoyed at the term "trained to think" than a person being "superior".
I dont think Dakwins thinks his superior to anyone who disagree with him Christians..
its just different positions, believing in a superior position =/= being a superior human being.
anyways are we really debating about this?

yes we are, because you questioned someones statement about christians believing they are better than non believers.

and you're still missing the point, but theres not much more to do but reiterate what ive already said so you're just going to keep missing the point.
so i wont bother.

Hm yeah if we generalize the statement like you did, i wanted to point out also that christians are not the only ones that believe that too, atheist and everyone in the world who think their version is superior than other according to you will be saying that he is better than him. So what jtan is saying its misleading.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 25 2007 23:38 GMT
#44
..
if you would read what i posted you would see i readily admitted that.
its not like im trying to insult you or anything, that is just a necessary byproduct of believing you are right about something.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 25 2007 23:42 GMT
#45
well, not necessarily. you could be in a cooperative or groupy mood.
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TesisMech
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Peru688 Posts
September 25 2007 23:53 GMT
#46
I dont agree with what he said but he believed that i just wanted to point that out in his reasoning.
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-26 00:18:49
September 26 2007 00:08 GMT
#47
On September 25 2007 12:26 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2007 11:59 TesisMech wrote:
na im more annoyed at the term "trained to think" than a person being "superior".
I dont think Dakwins thinks his superior to anyone who disagree with him Christians..
its just different positions, believing in a superior position =/= being a superior human being.
anyways are we really debating about this?

yes we are, because you questioned someones statement about christians believing they are better than non believers.

Hmm....I challenge anyone who thinks this to go to a church, and talk to people. They really aren't full of themselves.

Anyway, believing you are right and someone else is wrong doesn't really have anything to do with superiority. For starters, everyone has had different experiences in their life, so you are really saying that your experiences are more convincing than others experiences. + Show Spoiler +
For example, if I have a college degree and I disagree with someone who doesn't have a college degree (in my field of study) I would probably be justified in saying I'm "right" and hes "wrong", without the accusation of being superior. Even if I turn out to be wrong in the end.

Just like a slower car can win a race if it has a head-start, an inferior person can be right if hes studied longer.

Put another way, I may think albert einstein is far superior to me, However, if I've fixed cars all my life, and we have a disagreement as to whats wrong with a car, I will surely think I'm right and hes wrong, while at the same time thinking I'm inferior to him.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 26 2007 00:23 GMT
#48
On September 26 2007 08:42 oneofthem wrote:
well, not necessarily. you could be in a cooperative or groupy mood.

its not a matter of choosing to pass judgement on the other group.
if you think you're right, and you think its better to be right than to be wrong, then you automatically consider yourself superior to them, with respect to that topic at least.
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TesisMech
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Peru688 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-26 03:15:51
September 26 2007 03:09 GMT
#49
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"to that topic at least"? now your changing what you said, you said that you as a whole PERSON not regarding to that topic/ or regarding to you position to that topic are superior ,now your just contradicting yourself .
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 26 2007 04:24 GMT
#50
well again, your attitudes are at least dependent on more factors than a disagreement in one matter, even something like fundamental metaphysics. this is just a plain observation.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
September 27 2007 22:12 GMT
#51
hi, i should of done my topic like this I hurried to much and made a half-assed thread.

no wonder it got closed.


i love this blog.... let me quote a preacher

"those god-hating-secular-pagan-humanist-atheist are the very evil of this world!!!"
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Thegreatbeyond
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States287 Posts
October 08 2007 00:43 GMT
#52
Honestly I didn't like the god delusion even though I am against religious extremism in general. And WTF hitchens is an idiot, I never knew he fully supported the Iraq war until now.
Flying_Llama
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada419 Posts
October 08 2007 02:05 GMT
#53
whoah whoah we needa Debate thread on TL

anyways, I respect Hitchens to be able to stand up for himself and speak his mind. I wonder why FOX news invited him though if they wanted to just ask him to say that he's sorry for someone's death even though he's not.
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
November 01 2007 14:52 GMT
#54
Very nice jtan, thank you.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
November 01 2007 16:21 GMT
#55
Ok, by this moment I've only watched Harris, and he's somewhat crappy. He brings rationality as the main argument that should support his claims. And his claims are that both the "cracker situation" and the "kill babies" situation share the same lack of rationality in their basis. What he misses completely though is that not killing babies is an action that doesn't hold any default rationality in the first place. Not killing people does NOT hold any rational point, it is based on morality, but whoa, morality itself is irrational in nature, therefore, his whole argument crumbles. Rationality can not be the basis for any kind of social philosphy, it has become clear in the middle of 20'th century so I'd say that guy just doesn't have the appropriate level of education to enter such debates.
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JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-01 17:22:24
November 01 2007 17:21 GMT
#56
Dawkins sucks. So does "humanisterna" in Sweden.

My view on this is that people should be able to belive whatever, as long as they don't hurt other people.

Oh btw, I would love to see Dawkins prove that god does NOT exist ;p
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
November 01 2007 18:43 GMT
#57
I believe the caramel secret is what spawned the world, and they're just not telling us.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
November 01 2007 18:59 GMT
#58
On November 02 2007 02:21 JensOfSweden wrote:
Dawkins sucks. So does "humanisterna" in Sweden.

My view on this is that people should be able to belive whatever, as long as they don't hurt other people.

Oh btw, I would love to see Dawkins prove that god does NOT exist ;p


wow, how do people say this again and again;( No one respectable is claiming they can prove a "general" God doesn't exist;p But we all know this a moot point anyway since the burden of proof is on the claim;o

Just so you know, your view is the same as Dawkins and probably most other atheists;/ Just cause they argue there points doesn't mean they think their beliefs should be forced on others.
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-10 05:30:49
November 10 2007 04:16 GMT
#59



that Question: "give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome"

The answer: an exmaple would be from fish of millions years ago to we human today showed increase in the information in the genome.

misconception for this is that people are not looking into the 4th demension in searching for an answer. They didn't count time as a factor. Fish of Today of course you can't see them turning into a human, the process took place over millions of years through natural selection.

Shits don't Evolve from a hydralist to a lurker in 25 seconds like in starcraft. that's a misconception, because in the theory of evolution bad mutations die out from one generation and maybe 1 out of maybe a million of these mutation is actually beneficial and continue to pass that one good mutated genome on to the next generation. And this one mutation isn't anything big, one mutation doesn't make a fish to become man, one mutation might be just that some of the cells is better adapted to dry environment. and maybe in the next few thousands of years this one genome is lucky enough to continue and not die off, one of this genome containing fish might have another mutation amount millions of this fish that is beneficial, and then pass on to the next generation and this process goes on for a very very long long long time.

One confirmation for this process that is still happening today is very easy to spot, we have millions of people have cancer, and millions of people die because of cancer, ppl goes fat die of hearth attack etc, all these are natural selection, those genomes will be eliminated and only those who doesn't have cancer continue on, Some of those cancer doesn't cause a problem some of those cancer might actually beneficial to human, aka this one mutation on this own somewhere in europe is immue to HIV, if HIV kills everybody on earth, those are the people that will carry on the human race and every other offspring will be immue to HIV because of that mutated genmoe from their fathers and mothers.
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-10 04:59:04
November 10 2007 04:58 GMT
#60
On November 02 2007 02:21 JensOfSweden wrote:
Dawkins sucks. So does "humanisterna" in Sweden.

My view on this is that people should be able to belive whatever, as long as they don't hurt other people.

Oh btw, I would love to see Dawkins prove that god does NOT exist ;p


Your view is that people should be able to belief whaterver, as long as they don't hurt other people, but by calling Dawkins sucks you did just what your view opposes.

And the burden of prove doesn't lies on Dawkins who beliefs any kind of god don't exist, but lies on YOU to prove YouR God out of all the other millions of other god out there DOES exist.

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