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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 25 2007 17:21 HeadBangaa wrote: The problem Idra, is that you and the others will not respect the person you are arguing with, which makes nobody want to discuss. We don't need to relive it to substantiate it, we've been here long enough, we've seen enough religion vs atheism threads. You asking me to substantiate that fact is an attempt to obfuscate. previous religion vs atheism threads dont support that 'fact'. more often than not they are reasonably civil discussions that calmly die out as people run out of arguments. overt flame wars are rare and are usually sparked by someone being an idiot outside the context of the discussion itself. and i said you should substantiate your claim that atheists misunderstand you, if you want respect you probably shouldnt make unfounded blanket statements about the other side. | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
On September 25 2007 12:26 IdrA wrote: yes we are, because you questioned someones statement about christians believing they are better than non believers. and you're still missing the point, but theres not much more to do but reiterate what ive already said so you're just going to keep missing the point. so i wont bother. Hm yeah if we generalize the statement like you did, i wanted to point out also that christians are not the only ones that believe that too, atheist and everyone in the world who think their version is superior than other according to you will be saying that he is better than him. So what jtan is saying its misleading. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
if you would read what i posted you would see i readily admitted that. its not like im trying to insult you or anything, that is just a necessary byproduct of believing you are right about something. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On September 25 2007 12:26 IdrA wrote: yes we are, because you questioned someones statement about christians believing they are better than non believers. Hmm....I challenge anyone who thinks this to go to a church, and talk to people. They really aren't full of themselves. Anyway, believing you are right and someone else is wrong doesn't really have anything to do with superiority. For starters, everyone has had different experiences in their life, so you are really saying that your experiences are more convincing than others experiences. + Show Spoiler + For example, if I have a college degree and I disagree with someone who doesn't have a college degree (in my field of study) I would probably be justified in saying I'm "right" and hes "wrong", without the accusation of being superior. Even if I turn out to be wrong in the end. Just like a slower car can win a race if it has a head-start, an inferior person can be right if hes studied longer. Put another way, I may think albert einstein is far superior to me, However, if I've fixed cars all my life, and we have a disagreement as to whats wrong with a car, I will surely think I'm right and hes wrong, while at the same time thinking I'm inferior to him. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 26 2007 08:42 oneofthem wrote: well, not necessarily. you could be in a cooperative or groupy mood. its not a matter of choosing to pass judgement on the other group. if you think you're right, and you think its better to be right than to be wrong, then you automatically consider yourself superior to them, with respect to that topic at least. | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
"to that topic at least"? now your changing what you said, you said that you as a whole PERSON not regarding to that topic/ or regarding to you position to that topic are superior ,now your just contradicting yourself . | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
 I hurried to much  and made a half-assed thread.no wonder it got closed. i love this blog.... let me quote a preacher "those god-hating-secular-pagan-humanist-atheist are the very evil of this world!!!" | ||
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Thegreatbeyond
United States287 Posts
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Flying_Llama
Canada419 Posts
anyways, I respect Hitchens to be able to stand up for himself and speak his mind. I wonder why FOX news invited him though if they wanted to just ask him to say that he's sorry for someone's death even though he's not. | ||
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
My view on this is that people should be able to belive whatever, as long as they don't hurt other people. Oh btw, I would love to see Dawkins prove that god does NOT exist ;p | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
On November 02 2007 02:21 JensOfSweden wrote: Dawkins sucks. So does "humanisterna" in Sweden. My view on this is that people should be able to belive whatever, as long as they don't hurt other people. Oh btw, I would love to see Dawkins prove that god does NOT exist ;p wow, how do people say this again and again;( No one respectable is claiming they can prove a "general" God doesn't exist;p But we all know this a moot point anyway since the burden of proof is on the claim;o Just so you know, your view is the same as Dawkins and probably most other atheists;/ Just cause they argue there points doesn't mean they think their beliefs should be forced on others. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
that Question: "give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome" The answer: an exmaple would be from fish of millions years ago to we human today showed increase in the information in the genome. misconception for this is that people are not looking into the 4th demension in searching for an answer. They didn't count time as a factor. Fish of Today of course you can't see them turning into a human, the process took place over millions of years through natural selection. Shits don't Evolve from a hydralist to a lurker in 25 seconds like in starcraft. that's a misconception, because in the theory of evolution bad mutations die out from one generation and maybe 1 out of maybe a million of these mutation is actually beneficial and continue to pass that one good mutated genome on to the next generation. And this one mutation isn't anything big, one mutation doesn't make a fish to become man, one mutation might be just that some of the cells is better adapted to dry environment. and maybe in the next few thousands of years this one genome is lucky enough to continue and not die off, one of this genome containing fish might have another mutation amount millions of this fish that is beneficial, and then pass on to the next generation and this process goes on for a very very long long long time. One confirmation for this process that is still happening today is very easy to spot, we have millions of people have cancer, and millions of people die because of cancer, ppl goes fat die of hearth attack etc, all these are natural selection, those genomes will be eliminated and only those who doesn't have cancer continue on, Some of those cancer doesn't cause a problem some of those cancer might actually beneficial to human, aka this one mutation on this own somewhere in europe is immue to HIV, if HIV kills everybody on earth, those are the people that will carry on the human race and every other offspring will be immue to HIV because of that mutated genmoe from their fathers and mothers. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On November 02 2007 02:21 JensOfSweden wrote: Dawkins sucks. So does "humanisterna" in Sweden. My view on this is that people should be able to belive whatever, as long as they don't hurt other people. Oh btw, I would love to see Dawkins prove that god does NOT exist ;p Your view is that people should be able to belief whaterver, as long as they don't hurt other people, but by calling Dawkins sucks you did just what your view opposes. And the burden of prove doesn't lies on Dawkins who beliefs any kind of god don't exist, but lies on YOU to prove YouR God out of all the other millions of other god out there DOES exist. | ||
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