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On January 22 2020 08:21 Ziggy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2020 06:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:Just want to fact-check and mention that Secret hasn't won TI.  The InternationalAs much as I'd love to see BW given the treatment you describe, I just can't see it happening. Sentimentality for a foundational esport is unlikely to drive investing money and time into a game that isn't making inroads into a younger generation or seeing an escalation in viewership. Quake can at least appeal to history and tradition with ESL for a position at Katowice, which I don't see BW making. oh, ure right, my bad nonetheless, an aoe2 roster? really?
FWIW AoE2 is probably the most popular RTS right now, discounting mobas. Spirit of the Law has 220k subscribers and averages >100k on his youtube videos and T90 averages ~50k. Right now, with no tournament on, Aoe2 has 7k viewers, SC2 has 5.1k, BW has 207.
I think, if there's a lesson to be learned from AoE2's massive rise recently, it's making varied content and varied tournaments, an example of what I'd call a varied tournament being the hidden cup, where pro players played under pseudonyms and left the community to work out who was who by playstyle.
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On January 25 2020 01:29 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2020 08:21 Ziggy wrote:On January 22 2020 06:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:Just want to fact-check and mention that Secret hasn't won TI. The InternationalAs much as I'd love to see BW given the treatment you describe, I just can't see it happening. Sentimentality for a foundational esport is unlikely to drive investing money and time into a game that isn't making inroads into a younger generation or seeing an escalation in viewership. Quake can at least appeal to history and tradition with ESL for a position at Katowice, which I don't see BW making. oh, ure right, my bad nonetheless, an aoe2 roster? really? FWIW AoE2 is probably the most popular RTS right now, discounting mobas. Spirit of the Law has 220k subscribers and averages >100k on his youtube videos and T90 averages ~50k. Right now, with no tournament on, Aoe2 has 7k viewers, SC2 has 5.1k, BW has 207.
i like how you're completely disregarding korea, well done!
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On January 25 2020 01:35 Ziggy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2020 01:29 Garrl wrote:On January 22 2020 08:21 Ziggy wrote:On January 22 2020 06:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:Just want to fact-check and mention that Secret hasn't won TI. The InternationalAs much as I'd love to see BW given the treatment you describe, I just can't see it happening. Sentimentality for a foundational esport is unlikely to drive investing money and time into a game that isn't making inroads into a younger generation or seeing an escalation in viewership. Quake can at least appeal to history and tradition with ESL for a position at Katowice, which I don't see BW making. oh, ure right, my bad nonetheless, an aoe2 roster? really? FWIW AoE2 is probably the most popular RTS right now, discounting mobas. Spirit of the Law has 220k subscribers and averages >100k on his youtube videos and T90 averages ~50k. Right now, with no tournament on, Aoe2 has 7k viewers, SC2 has 5.1k, BW has 207. i like how you're completely disregarding korea, well done!
I mean, you were talking about growing the game in the foreign scene, so of course I disregarded Korea, because there's simply too much of a skill and culture gap to even possibly consider conglomerating Korea/foreign BW.
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On January 25 2020 01:29 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2020 08:21 Ziggy wrote:On January 22 2020 06:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:Just want to fact-check and mention that Secret hasn't won TI. The InternationalAs much as I'd love to see BW given the treatment you describe, I just can't see it happening. Sentimentality for a foundational esport is unlikely to drive investing money and time into a game that isn't making inroads into a younger generation or seeing an escalation in viewership. Quake can at least appeal to history and tradition with ESL for a position at Katowice, which I don't see BW making. oh, ure right, my bad nonetheless, an aoe2 roster? really? FWIW AoE2 is probably the most popular RTS right now, discounting mobas. Spirit of the Law has 220k subscribers and averages >100k on his youtube videos and T90 averages ~50k. Right now, with no tournament on, Aoe2 has 7k viewers, SC2 has 5.1k, BW has 207. I think, if there's a lesson to be learned from AoE2's massive rise recently, it's making varied content and varied tournaments, an example of what I'd call a varied tournament being the hidden cup, where pro players played under pseudonyms and left the community to work out who was who by playstyle.
damn AoE content is so original..
Bisu Blind League
Bisu had around 12k 15k viewers when he hosted this tourney.
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On January 25 2020 01:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2020 01:29 Garrl wrote:On January 22 2020 08:21 Ziggy wrote:On January 22 2020 06:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:Just want to fact-check and mention that Secret hasn't won TI. The InternationalAs much as I'd love to see BW given the treatment you describe, I just can't see it happening. Sentimentality for a foundational esport is unlikely to drive investing money and time into a game that isn't making inroads into a younger generation or seeing an escalation in viewership. Quake can at least appeal to history and tradition with ESL for a position at Katowice, which I don't see BW making. oh, ure right, my bad nonetheless, an aoe2 roster? really? FWIW AoE2 is probably the most popular RTS right now, discounting mobas. Spirit of the Law has 220k subscribers and averages >100k on his youtube videos and T90 averages ~50k. Right now, with no tournament on, Aoe2 has 7k viewers, SC2 has 5.1k, BW has 207. I think, if there's a lesson to be learned from AoE2's massive rise recently, it's making varied content and varied tournaments, an example of what I'd call a varied tournament being the hidden cup, where pro players played under pseudonyms and left the community to work out who was who by playstyle. damn AoE content is so original.. Bisu Blind LeagueBisu had around 12k 15k viewers when he hosted this tourney.
I never said it was a unique concept, just that the foreign scene should be hosting weirder tournaments. The strategy I'm suggesting is secure some investment by gathering viewership with out-there tournaments, then perhaps orgs would be more inclined to sponsor foreign players once they see the viewership is there.
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On January 25 2020 02:26 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2020 01:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 25 2020 01:29 Garrl wrote:On January 22 2020 08:21 Ziggy wrote:On January 22 2020 06:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:Just want to fact-check and mention that Secret hasn't won TI. The InternationalAs much as I'd love to see BW given the treatment you describe, I just can't see it happening. Sentimentality for a foundational esport is unlikely to drive investing money and time into a game that isn't making inroads into a younger generation or seeing an escalation in viewership. Quake can at least appeal to history and tradition with ESL for a position at Katowice, which I don't see BW making. oh, ure right, my bad nonetheless, an aoe2 roster? really? FWIW AoE2 is probably the most popular RTS right now, discounting mobas. Spirit of the Law has 220k subscribers and averages >100k on his youtube videos and T90 averages ~50k. Right now, with no tournament on, Aoe2 has 7k viewers, SC2 has 5.1k, BW has 207. I think, if there's a lesson to be learned from AoE2's massive rise recently, it's making varied content and varied tournaments, an example of what I'd call a varied tournament being the hidden cup, where pro players played under pseudonyms and left the community to work out who was who by playstyle. damn AoE content is so original.. Bisu Blind LeagueBisu had around 12k 15k viewers when he hosted this tourney. I never said it was a unique concept, just that the foreign scene should be hosting weirder tournaments. The strategy I'm suggesting is secure some investment by gathering viewership with out-there tournaments, then perhaps orgs would be more inclined to sponsor foreign players once they see the viewership is there.
how do you imagine to draw the attention of people who dont care about starcraft and its players by (for instance) hiding the identity of said players?
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The truth of the matter is - a healthy competitive scene can't exist without a casual playerbase. Finding ways to improve Brood War's playability are limited - you can't change the gameplay, FULLSTOP. ZZZero's idea of getting people to ladder has proven successful, though this form of player retention is quite obviously tied to the BSL - no BSL = fewer people laddering. I am genuinely convinced an up-to-date ELO / MMR / Glicko ranking, gathering results from all the tournaments we currently have, is a good first step to take to try and improve player retention, as it ensures all competitive achievements are kept track of. SC2's aligulac and Korea's sponbbang are both run by the community. Hell, I could take care of uploading all the results myself. The problem here is getting a site up and running - I can't code, and (being the perennially broke student I am) I can't quite pay someone to do it for me. A 'wonky' tournament format won't solve anything. At least not now.
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