This is a very short blog about the chilean situation.
Chile is under fire, belive it or not, every city in the country is having massive protests, some violent, some pacific.
In response, after just one day of manifestations, the government sent the army to the streets, now over 50 persons are dead, none of them is military or a cop.
we dont know when this is going to stop and we wont stop until every single one of our demands is listened to.
every night i can hear bullets in my neighbourhood, the police and the army is shooting at civilians. We are being murdered and tortured, this is no joke, people is dissapearing after being taked prisioners from the police or the army.
The tv is calling us terrorist, but is the chilean state the one killing inocent people.
fuck this government, fuck the chilean state, long live the revolution.
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
Over 500 people have dissapeared Over 50 dead persons Bullets at night in the streets
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
Over 500 people have dissapeared Over 50 dead persons Bullets at night in the streets
Fuck you fascist piece of shit
Idk if you are over estimating the people disappeared / dead, from what i have read there are 15 confirmed deaths. The poster above you isn't entirely incorrect (assuming he actually lives there). I don't know the facts ofc because i don't live there. But what i do know is that if protestor's view of a protest is burn down buildings, attack over 100 metro stations in Santiago and rob stores under curfew (not to even mention how they most likely act towards police), maybe the government's & police force's view of taking control of the situation is to actually take control of the situation -- regardless of if it means shooting actual bullets or not.
I am not claiming it's entirely fair but it is what it is.
But what is the problem there? The only thing i can find in the news is some laughable raise in public transportation ticket prices. That really can't be the whole truth because that would mean your country is completely insane af...
On October 24 2019 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: But what is the problem there? The only thing i can find in the news is some laughable raise in public transportation ticket prices. That really can't be the whole truth because that would mean your country is completely insane af...
People had been complaining about inequality for a while, and the raise of ticket prices was the last straw. They are still mostly insane though, the level of destruction and looting is completely unwarranted.
On October 24 2019 05:26 JackyVSO wrote: What happened to Chile? It seems like only 10 years ago, it was the best functioning country in all of South America.
One would still say that it is a well functioning country... if one ignores the discontent masses on the streets that is... The economic indicators of the country look quite decent - even great when compared to other South American countries. There has been a steady GDP growth, the GDP per capita is well above all other SA countries except for Uruguay, inflation is low, unemployment is steady and fairly low, and so on and so forth. There is just the small issue that Chile is a regional economic model country or as some would say a neo-liberal dystopia. Income inequality is high even for South American standards, out of all the OECD countries Chile is holding firmly onto a top 4 place (2019 estimate puts it at 2nd place) with a ridiculous margin ahead of the 5th spot. Most public services are privatized - water supply, education, health care, even the pension system - resulting in absurdly high costs for the region. The cost of living is comparable to European countries while the median monthly income is $550 and the bottom 20% live on less than $140/month.
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
Over 500 people have dissapeared Over 50 dead persons Bullets at night in the streets
Fuck you fascist piece of shit
...
But what is the problem there? The only thing i can find in the news is some laughable raise in public transportation ticket prices. That really can't be the whole truth because that would mean your country is completely insane af...
The amount of surprise that people show - not only here - for the riots is the perfect illustration of the root of the problem. Or, as someone wrote earlier in the thread: neo-liberal dystopia. It's simply easy for a country to "look prosperous" when it's done on the backs of the poor.
I have been talking to both random locals in the open and European expats living there and both groups of people have been telling me that there is a rot of rotten deep inside the society in Chile. Colleagues who live in Chile with whom I talked this week told me that this was expected for a long time.
Unaffordable privatized healthcare and education, unliveable minimal wage, extreme income inequality ... you know the drill. However it is getting less and less sustainable, to a large part because today it's easier for people to learn how shitty their lives are and that there are another options.
Btw., does any of this sound familiar to our US friends? Unless the rudder steers to the left, this may be a good preview of things to come.
On October 24 2019 22:18 Elroi wrote: Stay safe. And if you have time I would like to hear more about those demands by the protesters.
there is a bunch of stuff that the people is demanding. but basically :
better public education.
End to the CAE credit this credit is known to be usurer, but if you want to study, you have to get it, or you just cant go to college. im actually in debt for this credit, i owe the bank something like 20k dollars... WHERE THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GET 21k...
Better salaries
a new pension system.
This one is actually huge, because a group of private companies are in charge of all the pensions in Chile so you have no option but to give your money to them. The problem with this is that old people have no access to their money after they retire, they cant take a single dime from his OWN MONEY and the pension company gives them a % of their money montly, this is known to be a robbery that got installed during Pinochets dictatorship and was implemented by Sebastian Piñeras brother, so... kinda sus isnt it¿.
A new consititution this is a really old fight for the chilean people, the actual constitution was made by pinochet during his dictatorship. so... is not a very good one...
nationalization of natural resources.
better public transportation this one is actually a big problem in Santiago, not so much in other cities.
end to the represion to the mapuche nation in the south of the country. Mapuches are living under a war state since 1990.
thats all i can think of, theres actually even more shit going on, but this is basically the main demands that everyone agrees on.
oh by the way, my friends and i, are organizing a fútbol match in a public court at night during the curfiew, we are not terrorist and we are not scared of the fucking police, this is not a WAR.
So if i dont post anymore, im prolly dead :p
VIVA LA ANARQUIA PACOS CULIAOS POR EL BORDE MILICOS CULIAOS POR EL BORDE MIL VECES VENCEREMOS
in case that you understand spanish heres a good song for you
Just...Don't damage random persons property or health, it'll just bring you up against each other. It'd be wiser to campaign for a nationwide strike. Then again you've got another temper around there, but there's nothing bloodsuckers hate more than to run out of their steady supply of blood. Form bartering communities and reject the currency.
Eventually, stuff like that will happen around here too I think, if politics fail that is, but I'm not going to run around smashing cars and fighting police. Rather make deals with my neighbours for basic stuff and defending our properties.
On October 25 2019 05:19 Vivax wrote: Just...Don't damage random persons property or health, it'll just bring you up against each other. It'd be wiser to campaign for a nationwide strike. Then again you've got another temper around there, but there's nothing bloodsuckers hate more than to run out of their steady supply of blood. Form bartering communities and reject the currency.
Eventually, stuff like that will happen around here too I think, if politics fail that is, but I'm not going to run around smashing cars and fighting police. Rather make deals with my neighbours for basic stuff and defending our properties.
im organizing a futbol game, not a riot. That shit comes naturally as a reaction.
The situation sounds completely crazy, these bastards have got to go. One thing is certain though, the young people in Chile today are absolutely amazing. Stay strong compañero/a and good luck!
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
They just found a torture center at Baquedano Station in Santiago...
That google drive file i shared is proof or torture and abuse, you have to download the videos, because the media, fb,twitter, instagram is deleting all that shit, so if you download the videos you are helping us in getting that material shared and not lost for ever.
The director of the national human rights institution himself went to investigate Baquedano Station, and concluded that it was a false rumor and that there had never been a torture center there.
The rumor was denied yesterday, yet you are still spewing it out.
Yes, the police and military have hurt people. Did you expect them to nicely ask the looters and arsonists to stop, and say thank you after? It's not like everyone else is just an innocent lamb, there are several policemen in hospitals and a couple dead.
There have also been cases of abuse of power, I do not deny that. Those are regrettable, and they are mistakes. However, there is no campaign of torture and killing. They are trying to impose order, by force if necessary (and it often is, unfortunately).
On October 25 2019 03:44 XenOsky wrote: oh by the way, my friends and i, are organizing a fútbol match in a public court at night during the curfiew
Are almost all of you actually mhm...?? "yes it is nice of you to burn down shit and that is totally a normal way of hanlding a protest."
Good job TL. " Keep fighting ppl". "yes yes"
I am interested though, what is a better form on pension than the one XenOsky described?
This one is actually huge, because a group of private companies are in charge of all the pensions in Chile so you have no option but to give your money to them. The problem with this is that old people have no access to their money after they retire, they cant take a single dime from his OWN MONEY and the pension company gives them a % of their money montly, this is known to be a robbery that got installed during Pinochets dictatorship and was implemented by Sebastian Piñeras brother, so... kinda sus isnt it¿.
lmk if there is a pension system anywhere that doesnt work like this. (i am not talking about voluntary stuff ppl can put their money into, but governmental ones). I would be interested in hearing more, since i have no knowledge about other kind of systems in general.
Seems like Pinochet implemented this in all world, shit... even in Finland
On October 26 2019 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are almost all of you actually mhm...?? "yes it is nice of you to burn down shit and that is totally a normal way of hanlding a protest."
Good job TL. " Keep fighting ppl". "yes yes"
I am interested though, what is a better form on pension than the one XenOsky described?
This one is actually huge, because a group of private companies are in charge of all the pensions in Chile so you have no option but to give your money to them. The problem with this is that old people have no access to their money after they retire, they cant take a single dime from his OWN MONEY and the pension company gives them a % of their money montly, this is known to be a robbery that got installed during Pinochets dictatorship and was implemented by Sebastian Piñeras brother, so... kinda sus isnt it¿.
lmk if there is a pension system anywhere that doesnt work like this. (i am not talking about voluntary stuff ppl can put their money into, but governmental ones). I would be interested in hearing more, since i have no knowledge about other kind of systems in general.
Seems like Pinochet implemented this in all world, shit... even in Finland
You can't dismiss a protest just because it attracts se number of violent people. Well, unless you are a part of a tyranny, then you love to do that, obviously. It's the same as with Catalunya - half a million peacful protesters, a few hundred rioters, guess what is all over then news. And in HK we have even seen that the violence can come from implanted agents of the government, just to make the protesters look bad.
I am not sure what the pension issue is either, but if it is privatized, then guess what, it probably fucks over people. I presume your system on Finland is at least partly state-run? That's the crucial difference: privatization of state services like pension, education and healthcare does not work (at least not for the majority of people) as has been amply demonstrated by the US, so there is absolutely no surprise that it doesn't work in Chile either.
On October 25 2019 19:16 SK.Testie wrote: You told me you were about to post a good song. It was an absolutely terrible song. You should genuinely feel bad for posting that.
im sorry to disapoint you Testie :C but you disapointed me years ago lossing to Bisu, so we are even.
About the chilean situation: Piñera, his government, the press and media are trying to show a state of normality in the news and their speeches. im guessing this has to do with the fact that ONU arrives to Chile tomorrow to see actually wtf is going on here.
This wont stop the people, we are millions fighting.
The fight will continue, Piñera is trying to look all casual and shit while the country burns, fuck him, fuck the police, the army, politicians, that asshole that tries to cover police brutality, abuses and tourture here in TL .
And thanks you guys for keeping an eye and helping spread the visibility of this conflict to the world.
OP presented an extremely leftist point of view, coupled with made up numbers.
The amount of dead so far is 20, maybe a few more, 10 who died on fire in riots the first day. Almost all subway stations, hundreds of supermarkets and pharmacies were looted that day. THIS is why the military was called upon; the situation is a lot more stable now, causing the president to withdraw the military, which occured with nothing to note. This is not a military coup.
I'm sure some cases where real undue violence was used by the police or military will surface, those people will be prosecuted accordingly. However left wing propaganda is rampant in social media with made up dead (like xenosky) and tortured; do not fall for this.
For example, someone posted a few posts up a made up torture center in Baquedano Station; the place was researched the same day by a judge and found empty. The head spoke person of the "Instituto Nacional of Derechos Humanos" apologized for giving credit to a false story aswell.
Here is the official statement by the judicial department.
This is a political crisis, not an economical yet. Macro economical numbers are there for anyone to see. Chile has lot of problems that can be improved like any other country, but it is surely top3 place to live in latin america.
The protests are still massive and ongoing, the unfolding of this is yet unkown.
We are a functioning democracy, despite the fringe leftist group trying to turn the protests into a coup against the democratically elected president trough the joke of "constituent assemblies" run by themselves to pretend to represent the people.
On October 28 2019 21:00 GoTuNk! wrote: OP presented an extremely leftist point of view, coupled with made up numbers.
The amount of dead so far is 20, maybe a few more, 10 who died on fire in riots the first day. Almost all subway stations, hundreds of supermarkets and pharmacies were looted that day. THIS is why the military was called upon; the situation is a lot more stable now, causing the president to withdraw the military, which occured with nothing to note. This is not a military coup.
I'm sure some cases where real undue violence was used by the police or military will surface, those people will be prosecuted accordingly. However left wing propaganda is rampant in social media with made up dead (like xenosky) and tortured; do not fall for this.
For example, OP posted a few posts up a made up torture center; the place was researched the same day and found empty. Here is the official statement by the judicial department.
This is a political crisis, not an economical yet. Macro economical numbers are there for anyone to see. Chile has lot of problems that can be improved like any other country, but it is surely top3 place to live in latin america.
The protests are still massive and ongoing, the unfolding of this is yet unkown.
We are a functioning democracy, despite the fringe leftist group trying to turn the protests into a coup against the democratically elected president trough the joke of "constituent assemblies" run by themselves to pretend to represent the people.
I don't honestly have enough insight to judge where is the truth in the reporting on the riots and you may as well be right. Sadly, in this day and age, despite having seemingly easy access to information, accessing reliable information is as difficult as ever.
But you saying how great the economy is and that Chile is a great place to live is rightist propaganda.
Just the fact that Chile has 20% R/P ratio shows over 11 how bad the situation is for poor people. That's 3 times that of the Czech Republic, more than double that of Germany etc.. Yes, it's comparable to surrounding countries (except for the mysteriously advanced nation of Uruguay) and it's better than Brazil, but it's still a bad sign.
Even living in the country, it may be hard to see the depth of the issues, if you spend your time within the relatively well-off part of the society. 70% of chileans earn less than USD 825 a week and last time i was there, stuff was quite expensive, especially in big cities.
The main thing many people miss, especially those benefiting from capitalist systems, is that there is a lot of poverty and economical suffering even in countries that are superficially prosperous. Hell I wouldn't blame poor people in the US if they banded together and starting rioting, considering the terrible situation of the bottom echelons of economy there, so there is really no wonder this is happening in Chile.
On October 28 2019 21:00 GoTuNk! wrote: OP presented an extremely leftist point of view, coupled with made up numbers.
The amount of dead so far is 20, maybe a few more, 10 who died on fire in riots the first day. Almost all subway stations, hundreds of supermarkets and pharmacies were looted that day. THIS is why the military was called upon; the situation is a lot more stable now, causing the president to withdraw the military, which occured with nothing to note. This is not a military coup.
I'm sure some cases where real undue violence was used by the police or military will surface, those people will be prosecuted accordingly. However left wing propaganda is rampant in social media with made up dead (like xenosky) and tortured; do not fall for this.
For example, OP posted a few posts up a made up torture center; the place was researched the same day and found empty. Here is the official statement by the judicial department.
This is a political crisis, not an economical yet. Macro economical numbers are there for anyone to see. Chile has lot of problems that can be improved like any other country, but it is surely top3 place to live in latin america.
The protests are still massive and ongoing, the unfolding of this is yet unkown.
We are a functioning democracy, despite the fringe leftist group trying to turn the protests into a coup against the democratically elected president trough the joke of "constituent assemblies" run by themselves to pretend to represent the people.
I don't honestly have enough insight to judge where is the truth in the reporting on the riots and you may as well be right. Sadly, in this day and age, despite having seemingly easy access to information, accessing reliable information is as difficult as ever.
But you saying how great the economy is and that Chile is a great place to live is rightist propaganda.
Just the fact that Chile has 20% R/P ratio shows over 11 how bad the situation is for poor people. That's 3 times that of the Czech Republic, more than double that of Germany etc.. Yes, it's comparable to surrounding countries (except for the mysteriously advanced nation of Uruguay) and it's better than Brazil, but it's still a bad sign.
Even living in the country, it may be hard to see the depth of the issues, if you spend your time within the relatively well-off part of the society. 70% of chileans earn less than USD 825 a week and last time i was there, stuff was quite expensive, especially in big cities.
The main thing many people miss, especially those benefiting from capitalist systems, is that there is a lot of poverty and economical suffering even in countries that are superficially prosperous. Hell I wouldn't blame poor people in the US if they banded together and starting rioting, considering the terrible situation of the bottom echelons of economy there, so there is really no wonder this is happening in Chile.
You went straight for the "inequality" argument and completely disregarded poverty. Here are some graphs:
Look Chile up. I understand social mobility is among best in the OCDE aswell. Gini coefficient is average (not worse or best)
I'm sure you can find graphs to support both positions.
It is not a developed country, it is a latin american country; should be compared to those. However it is 100% NOT a failed state like Venezuela, Nicaragua, Mexico and soon Argentina.
There are LOTS of unjustices in the political and economical system, I don't think this is the place or time to discuss them. A functioning democracy and basic law an order are well above those issues.
I think this is a fallacy, especially in today's connected world, there are many places where countries with vastly different standards of living and societal structures neighbor each other. Chile also has insane natural resource and thus is somewhat predestined to lead the pack.
But I mean you no foul, I think you are entitled to your view in a democratic system, I just think you should not be surprised at how frustrated some Chileans are and I wanted to point out that your positions are as subjective, as those of the other side - as you nicely pointed out, you can really find arguments for different views just based on which comparisons you chose. We could smack each other down with plots all they long, I agree that doesn't have much of a point to do.
I also agree that Argentina is worse in almost anything we can imagine to plot and according to everything I hear from there (as we do have an observatory there and thus a lot of local contacts), it is on the way for possible even a bigger shit-fan intercept. It is actually of a big concern and one of the major reasons Argentina was not chosen for the next big project we are preparing - it went to Chile instead, which may now seem funny, but the riots will pass and Chile we still be a safer place for foreign investment.
On October 28 2019 22:13 opisska wrote: I think this is a fallacy, especially in today's connected world, there are many places where countries with vastly different standards of living and societal structures neighbor each other. Chile also has insane natural resource and thus is somewhat predestined to lead the pack.
But I mean you no foul, I think you are entitled to your view in a democratic system, I just think you should not be surprised at how frustrated some Chileans are and I wanted to point out that your positions are as subjective, as those of the other side - as you nicely pointed out, you can really find arguments for different views just based on which comparisons you chose. We could smack each other down with plots all they long, I agree that doesn't have much of a point to do.
I also agree that Argentina is worse in almost anything we can imagine to plot and according to everything I hear from there (as we do have an observatory there and thus a lot of local contacts), it is on the way for possible even a bigger shit-fan intercept. It is actually of a big concern and one of the major reasons Argentina was not chosen for the next big project we are preparing - it went to Chile instead, which may now seem funny, but the riots will pass and Chile we still be a safer place for foreign investment.
That's a fair point. I'm not THAT surprised about social uprising.
I'm mostly opposing this notion that people are almost starving and the military is opressing peaceful protesters or carrying a coup; the made up dead and torture centers. Almost a million people who were actually protesting peacefully gathered in Santiago, and they faced no opposition from law enforcement.
Chile has moderate natural resources, mostly copper. No comparison to Venezuela and Argentina which are 10x or more richer on that field.
There was dangerous level of looting, and the atack on subway station is now believed (to be confirmed) to have been carried out by guerrilla groups that might have venezuelan/cuban support. It was a precise coordinated (timewise) strike on key infrastructure of the city. This is why the military was called upon, and as I said, withdrew yesterday with nothing to note.
Some cops are idiots, so let's allow rampant looting and anarquist groups to atack to destroy hundreds of businesess, buses, cars and block roads every day.
I uploaded some videos for you guys aswell:
People from poor areas celebrating military prescense and organizing to work with them (Santiago) + Show Spoiler +
Protesters atacking military, who show incredible restraint. + Show Spoiler +
20 dead ppl is the number given by the government, but you are not counting the amount of dissapeared people and the number of non recognized people in the legal medical service, thats easily over 50, if not even more.
theres even a guy that was raped by the police, WTF. situation is basically insane, i know that you support this government and the right wing in general, but denying that this is out of control is straight up lying.
Voy a escribir esto en español pq tengo harto respeto por ti GoTuNk y mi nivel de ingles no es suficiente como para expresarme bien en ese idioma, pero... hermano, no eres tú el que está sufriendo la violencia del estado día tras día, yo vivo en una pobla, bastante cruda por lo demás, y durante el toque de queda no podía dormir de los balazos y las rafas de metracas. Si tengo que suponer, supongo que tú has vivido toda esta situación desde tu casa, por medio de la tele, las noticias y los diarios, yo la estoy viviendo de frente, conozco gente a la que los milicos y los pacos los han apaleado, he estado en las barricadas y hablado con un montón de gente de distintos colores políticos, por eso no creo en los números oficiales. Estoy segurisimo que cuando todo esto termine se va a saber realmente cuantos muertos son y si tuviera que estimar, yo creo que 100 se va a quedar corto.
Cuando toda esta huea explotó, me sentí en la obligación de salir a la calle y darle cara a lo que nosotros, los del otro lado, llamamos represión porque estoy afectado en todo sentido por este sistema, que tanto defiendes, estoy endeudado en millones con el CAE y no tengo ninguna posibilidad de pagarlo, vivo prácticamente arrancando del banco, porque si me encuentran me embargan las pocas cosas que poseo. Mi viejo es un anciano de sobre 80 años y jubilado, entonces también me veo afectado directamente por las pensiones. Vivo en el sur, tuve un montón de amigos afectados por el corte de agua en Osorno y así un sinfín de cuestiones que a mi me tocan directamente y a muchos otros en mi situación también, sé que probablemente tú nunca entiendas esa problemática, porque afortunadamente, quizás, y disculpame si estoy suponiendo mal, no te toca vivirla a diario y me alegro de que sea así.
Ojala se termine el conflicto luego y salgamos de esta mejor parados. Suerte huachín y cuídate harto.
Gracias por las palabras, no conozco tu situación personal en detalle por lo que prefiero no comentar mucho al respecto. Si te diría que cuando uno se endeuda, uno tiene que pensar si va a poder pagar esa deuda y si la deuda vale la pena; quizá no elegiste la mejor carrera, ojalá alguien te hubiera advertido antes sobre eso. En Chile hay mucha gente que le han vendido la pomada que hay que ir a la universidad si o si, sin importar la carrera o lo que se estudia, y eso no es así; es el negocio de profesores, administradores y universidades, a costa de los alumnos y los que pagamos impuestos para financiar la "gratuidad" que tienen algunos.
Chile es un país privilegiado en latino américa, existen muchos problemas como la deuda privada (que te afecta a ti), los oligopolios de grandes empresas, el precio de los servicios, etc. Pero eso no se puede solucionar de la noche a la mañana, y quemar todo y destruir negocios y transporte público no lleva al país para adelante, lo lleva para atrás. La economía no crece, hay menos plata para el pilar solidario de las jubilaciones, etc. Cualquiera que te diga que el gobierno puede solucionar estos problemas de una son mentirosos, no se puede; los países que han saltado al desarrollo han tomado otros caminos.
En las poblaciones de todos lados está la caga, y eso va a seguir así mientras no vuelva la paz social. No me cabe ninguna duda que en el ejército y los pacos no todos son blancas palomas (lo puse más arriba), pero ellos tienen que hacer cumplir la ley el vandalismo está desatado y alguien lo tiene que parar, muchas veces por la fuerza, para eso están. Conozco mucha gente en el ejército y te aseguro que la gran mayoría son buenas personas y quieren ayudar a la gente, en tribunales se perseguirá después a los que hacen cosas que no corresponden pero tiene que volver el orden. Piensa que el ejército se retiro el domingo en la noche y volvió el caos a los niveles del viernes-sábado del a semana pasada, quizá algo estaban ayudando.
Si yo tuve una buena situación económica cuando chico, fui a colegio privado me gane beca para la universidad por la psu y en paralelo partí mi negocio del que vivo ahora, tengo una vida austera que me permite invertir y estar cada vez más tranquilo, no tengo problema en reconocer esas cosas no es algo para avergonzarse. Si te contaría que no todo es tan fácil como lo pintan, me han cagado muchas veces, me han robado productos, me he endeudado en millones, y todas las otras cosas que viven los emprendedores que la gente no ve. También que muchos de mis compañeros (de colegio) están endeudados hasta el cuello, son adictos a las drogas, tienen problemas psiquiátricos, etc., el plano económico es sólo uno de tantos en la vida del hombre.
On October 24 2019 22:18 Elroi wrote: Stay safe. And if you have time I would like to hear more about those demands by the protesters.
there is a bunch of stuff that the people is demanding. but basically :
better public education.
End to the CAE credit this credit is known to be usurer, but if you want to study, you have to get it, or you just cant go to college. im actually in debt for this credit, i owe the bank something like 20k dollars... WHERE THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GET 21k...
Better salaries
a new pension system.
This one is actually huge, because a group of private companies are in charge of all the pensions in Chile so you have no option but to give your money to them. The problem with this is that old people have no access to their money after they retire, they cant take a single dime from his OWN MONEY and the pension company gives them a % of their money montly, this is known to be a robbery that got installed during Pinochets dictatorship and was implemented by Sebastian Piñeras brother, so... kinda sus isnt it¿.
A new consititution this is a really old fight for the chilean people, the actual constitution was made by pinochet during his dictatorship. so... is not a very good one...
nationalization of natural resources.
better public transportation this one is actually a big problem in Santiago, not so much in other cities.
end to the represion to the mapuche nation in the south of the country. Mapuches are living under a war state since 1990.
thats all i can think of, theres actually even more shit going on, but this is basically the main demands that everyone agrees on.
oh by the way, my friends and i, are organizing a fútbol match in a public court at night during the curfiew, we are not terrorist and we are not scared of the fucking police, this is not a WAR.
So if i dont post anymore, im prolly dead :p
VIVA LA ANARQUIA PACOS CULIAOS POR EL BORDE MILICOS CULIAOS POR EL BORDE MIL VECES VENCEREMOS
in case that you understand spanish heres a good song for you
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