This is a very short blog about the chilean situation.
Chile is under fire, belive it or not, every city in the country is having massive protests, some violent, some pacific.
In response, after just one day of manifestations, the government sent the army to the streets, now over 50 persons are dead, none of them is military or a cop.
we dont know when this is going to stop and we wont stop until every single one of our demands is listened to.
every night i can hear bullets in my neighbourhood, the police and the army is shooting at civilians. We are being murdered and tortured, this is no joke, people is dissapearing after being taked prisioners from the police or the army.
The tv is calling us terrorist, but is the chilean state the one killing inocent people.
fuck this government, fuck the chilean state, long live the revolution.
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
Over 500 people have dissapeared Over 50 dead persons Bullets at night in the streets
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
Over 500 people have dissapeared Over 50 dead persons Bullets at night in the streets
Fuck you fascist piece of shit
Idk if you are over estimating the people disappeared / dead, from what i have read there are 15 confirmed deaths. The poster above you isn't entirely incorrect (assuming he actually lives there). I don't know the facts ofc because i don't live there. But what i do know is that if protestor's view of a protest is burn down buildings, attack over 100 metro stations in Santiago and rob stores under curfew (not to even mention how they most likely act towards police), maybe the government's & police force's view of taking control of the situation is to actually take control of the situation -- regardless of if it means shooting actual bullets or not.
I am not claiming it's entirely fair but it is what it is.
But what is the problem there? The only thing i can find in the news is some laughable raise in public transportation ticket prices. That really can't be the whole truth because that would mean your country is completely insane af...
On October 24 2019 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: But what is the problem there? The only thing i can find in the news is some laughable raise in public transportation ticket prices. That really can't be the whole truth because that would mean your country is completely insane af...
People had been complaining about inequality for a while, and the raise of ticket prices was the last straw. They are still mostly insane though, the level of destruction and looting is completely unwarranted.
On October 24 2019 05:26 JackyVSO wrote: What happened to Chile? It seems like only 10 years ago, it was the best functioning country in all of South America.
One would still say that it is a well functioning country... if one ignores the discontent masses on the streets that is... The economic indicators of the country look quite decent - even great when compared to other South American countries. There has been a steady GDP growth, the GDP per capita is well above all other SA countries except for Uruguay, inflation is low, unemployment is steady and fairly low, and so on and so forth. There is just the small issue that Chile is a regional economic model country or as some would say a neo-liberal dystopia. Income inequality is high even for South American standards, out of all the OECD countries Chile is holding firmly onto a top 4 place (2019 estimate puts it at 2nd place) with a ridiculous margin ahead of the 5th spot. Most public services are privatized - water supply, education, health care, even the pension system - resulting in absurdly high costs for the region. The cost of living is comparable to European countries while the median monthly income is $550 and the bottom 20% live on less than $140/month.
On October 23 2019 22:16 KungKras wrote: How democratic is Chile today?
As democratic as any country, really. The current president was elected last year, and his term lasts until 2022.
The army is in the streets because some people turned insane and starting burning down buildings, subway stations, buses, what have you. They are also looting supermarkets and pharmacies. Not everyone is this way of course, there are also pacific protests, but some people just take advantage of the chaos.
No one is being tortured, but there is a campaign of disinformation that has apparently spread to TL somehow. There are hurt cops, and some people are so stupid as to defy the curfew, provoke the military and then complain when the inevitable happens.
Over 500 people have dissapeared Over 50 dead persons Bullets at night in the streets
Fuck you fascist piece of shit
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But what is the problem there? The only thing i can find in the news is some laughable raise in public transportation ticket prices. That really can't be the whole truth because that would mean your country is completely insane af...
The amount of surprise that people show - not only here - for the riots is the perfect illustration of the root of the problem. Or, as someone wrote earlier in the thread: neo-liberal dystopia. It's simply easy for a country to "look prosperous" when it's done on the backs of the poor.
I have been talking to both random locals in the open and European expats living there and both groups of people have been telling me that there is a rot of rotten deep inside the society in Chile. Colleagues who live in Chile with whom I talked this week told me that this was expected for a long time.
Unaffordable privatized healthcare and education, unliveable minimal wage, extreme income inequality ... you know the drill. However it is getting less and less sustainable, to a large part because today it's easier for people to learn how shitty their lives are and that there are another options.
Btw., does any of this sound familiar to our US friends? Unless the rudder steers to the left, this may be a good preview of things to come.
On October 24 2019 22:18 Elroi wrote: Stay safe. And if you have time I would like to hear more about those demands by the protesters.
there is a bunch of stuff that the people is demanding. but basically :
better public education.
End to the CAE credit this credit is known to be usurer, but if you want to study, you have to get it, or you just cant go to college. im actually in debt for this credit, i owe the bank something like 20k dollars... WHERE THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GET 21k...
Better salaries
a new pension system.
This one is actually huge, because a group of private companies are in charge of all the pensions in Chile so you have no option but to give your money to them. The problem with this is that old people have no access to their money after they retire, they cant take a single dime from his OWN MONEY and the pension company gives them a % of their money montly, this is known to be a robbery that got installed during Pinochets dictatorship and was implemented by Sebastian Piñeras brother, so... kinda sus isnt it¿.
A new consititution this is a really old fight for the chilean people, the actual constitution was made by pinochet during his dictatorship. so... is not a very good one...
nationalization of natural resources.
better public transportation this one is actually a big problem in Santiago, not so much in other cities.
end to the represion to the mapuche nation in the south of the country. Mapuches are living under a war state since 1990.
thats all i can think of, theres actually even more shit going on, but this is basically the main demands that everyone agrees on.
oh by the way, my friends and i, are organizing a fútbol match in a public court at night during the curfiew, we are not terrorist and we are not scared of the fucking police, this is not a WAR.
So if i dont post anymore, im prolly dead :p
VIVA LA ANARQUIA PACOS CULIAOS POR EL BORDE MILICOS CULIAOS POR EL BORDE MIL VECES VENCEREMOS
in case that you understand spanish heres a good song for you
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