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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-25 06:34:12
October 23 2018 05:08 GMT
#1
I've always thought of BW as an art form.
An art form so grand, so dynamic that it won't ever be displaced in history.

Much like a painting:
- The background consists of the map, its doodads, and static production structures.
- The subject matter is ever evolving, a fight between two entities on various terrains.

In my opinion, it's also why maps are so important in such a game. Aside from balancing the matchups, it makes each game really unique when each map presents its own quirks, and in a way, forces certain play styles. After all, how many people would go mech on Andromeda when it's clearly a SK Terran map? Furthermore, a 1-1-1 is different from a 1 rax FE, both mechanically and aesthetically.

Moving on:
In previous blogs, I have always spoken about the importance of expanding in TvZ despite the fear of having to face multiple attacks with swarms and such. It's something that needs a lot of work to overcome, that fear of being outmultitasked and having to constantly lift or lose workers. Part of the reason why this next map I'll talk about briefly is pretty cool in this regard.

The map? Roadrunner. A map from 2010 that saw many games on it in winners' league, and other tournaments. I have recently become acquainted with the map, having played some games on it. I have already watched Actions' famous 40 minute game vs Flash, and another cool game of Kwanro's vs Flash on it.

[image loading]

Expansions taken are clockwise (for Terran imo, Zerg is different), and there's a large ramp beneath the third base. Lots of bridges (circles) which are a haven for lurkers, if the Zerg manages to set them up. One thing that I've found this map prompted heavily is macro games. I've generally found it easier, or maybe it's just me, to grab a third after making a second group to defend the building SCV as well as defend muta or lurker harass. First group of course goes out hunting, and keeps the Zerg honest and always thinking of defending rather than going on the offensive.

Anyways, I had a fun little game the other day. To paint the overall picture, I opened with 1 rax FE while my opponent went for 3 hatch muta. I didn't suffer much damage from this, and established my third base after my opponent has also established his. Macro is doing ok so far (<1k though there are some spikes) despite some back and forth battles. I also try to take my opponent's close base, but irradiate never finished (never researched, probably used gas on a vessel) so I got pushed back from there.

Soon after, I'm close to 170 supply or so, doubling my opponent's supply, 16-17 minutes in with 3 bases mining. I'm also taking a fourth though my saturation here is pretty bad due to the action going on. I manage to deny my opponent's fourth twice, but a drop into his third was denied earlier, so his economy otherwise is unscathed. Eventually, this turns into a long macro game with my opponent re-grabbing his fourth, and I end up grabbing two other bases, though not fully saturated.

Once my opponent breaks out, and I'm adamant on sticking to SK Terran, a battle and forth battle between mnm/vessels and ultras/lings/defilers takes place as my opponent and myself both fight to reclaim the high ground:

Let the battle begin!

I obviously didn't do the best job of vessel retention because I got really focused on trying to keep my macro going as well as micro in battle against the flood of ultras. I did push him back, and my money actually went all the way to double digits, but it was rough to keep the macro going, and something had to give.

Sadly, I ended up losing my foothold after my macro slipped, and with it, my last two mining bases. At that point, I knew that this game was over, but it was fun and I thought I should share it with everyone who loves the game as much as I do.

****
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2749 Posts
October 24 2018 18:53 GMT
#2
Wait, are you bm-ing someone? I dont get it.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-24 21:04:21
October 24 2018 21:04 GMT
#3
On October 25 2018 03:53 Navane wrote:
Wait, are you bm-ing someone? I dont get it.


Of course, it's BigFan. Additionally, he's Canadian.
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 03:30:27
October 25 2018 03:29 GMT
#4
On October 25 2018 03:53 Navane wrote:
Wait, are you bm-ing someone? I dont get it.

Wait, where do you see the BM? Is this related to the title? This is just a battlereport that is centered around a long gif around one of the longest and coolest fights we had. If I was going to BM him, I would've done it much more subtly

This kind of battle reporting was pretty popular when I did it years ago, so I figured I'll try my hand at it again:
https://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/489387-bgif-i-finally-managed-to-win
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 25 2018 06:48 GMT
#5
On October 25 2018 03:53 Navane wrote:
Wait, are you bm-ing someone? I dont get it.


https://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/536119-fighting-the-ai-what-insanity

He has a history of BM blogs
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 12:21:30
October 25 2018 12:20 GMT
#6
I don't get it either. Is the bm hidden?
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
October 25 2018 16:47 GMT
#7
I never asked for this.

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On a serious note, an interesting blog post .
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-26 05:46:40
October 26 2018 05:46 GMT
#8
^ thanks

On October 25 2018 21:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I don't get it either. Is the bm hidden?

There was no BM here. Even if there was, I don't think I would've been able to hide it that well. This blog was merely more of my thoughts on BW, with a gif that shows an epic fight in a long drawn out macro TvZ game. I mean, how can I be BM by posting a game I lost?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 26 2018 12:55 GMT
#9
On October 26 2018 14:46 BigFan wrote:
I mean, how can I be BM by posting a game I lost?


Such is your reputation, Mr Big "BM" Fan. You reap what you sow.

hahahaha
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 26 2018 17:40 GMT
#10
On October 26 2018 21:55 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2018 14:46 BigFan wrote:
I mean, how can I be BM by posting a game I lost?


Such is your reputation, Mr Big "BM" Fan. You reap what you sow.

hahahaha

thanks for your help!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
October 27 2018 00:52 GMT
#11
Thanks for the nice read BigFan. More blogs like this would be really fun to read up on. I like seeing people analyze their games.
Artosis loves Starcraft
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 27 2018 02:46 GMT
#12
Thanks NoS-Craig, glad you enjoyed it. I would do more, but there doesn't seem to be much interest in them unfortunately and they can be time intensive to do. However, if enough people are interested, I'll keep it going for longer ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 21:58:31
October 28 2018 21:58 GMT
#13
Keep going at it. Always interested to read a narrated battle rep from the player himself. Post the reps! Not a low quality img.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 29 2018 07:10 GMT
#14
Yea sounds like a good idea, the rep and a video maybe? Or at least a higher quality gif...

Otherwise we'll miss the BM
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 29 2018 20:30 GMT
#15
Sounds good, I'll do more then. It's not a low quality image though, it's a 2+ min gif file that's closes to 170mb. Limit to upload is 200mb. I tried a bigger size and changing settings, but this is the best I could manage. If you guys zoom in, it still looks pretty decent. Too bad there is now a size limit for uploads.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-30 16:23:42
October 30 2018 16:11 GMT
#16
On October 30 2018 05:30 BigFan wrote:
Sounds good, I'll do more then. It's not a low quality image though, it's a 2+ min gif file that's closes to 170mb. Limit to upload is 200mb. I tried a bigger size and changing settings, but this is the best I could manage. If you guys zoom in, it still looks pretty decent. Too bad there is now a size limit for uploads.


It sucks that there are constraints, but if we are complaining and I personally had to zoom in and squint there's a problem with the quality. Some people might even have given up because of the presentation. If it looked better I expect a better response.

I recommend presenting it as a flash video since there are problems with the gif and you're not doing justice to your effort™ by presenting it as a tiny gif.

(Seriously)

+ Show Spoiler +
out of the question
+ Show Spoiler +
XD

Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France334 Posts
November 01 2018 16:37 GMT
#17
clickbaity title, i thought you were above those
No bad days
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 01 2018 18:27 GMT
#18
2 mins long gif! I thought it was just 15 seconds long repeating itself on a loop becuase it was too tiny and blurred to make out anything, but looking again it's becuase the action was all along the spam spot of the map. Make me really want to see the rep now.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 23:24:18
November 01 2018 23:23 GMT
#19
On October 31 2018 01:11 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 05:30 BigFan wrote:
Sounds good, I'll do more then. It's not a low quality image though, it's a 2+ min gif file that's closes to 170mb. Limit to upload is 200mb. I tried a bigger size and changing settings, but this is the best I could manage. If you guys zoom in, it still looks pretty decent. Too bad there is now a size limit for uploads.


It sucks that there are constraints, but if we are complaining and I personally had to zoom in and squint there's a problem with the quality. Some people might even have given up because of the presentation. If it looked better I expect a better response.

I recommend presenting it as a flash video since there are problems with the gif and you're not doing justice to your effort™ by presenting it as a tiny gif.

(Seriously)

+ Show Spoiler +
out of the question
+ Show Spoiler +
XD


Possibly, or that battlereport or battle gif blogs aren't as popular as they used to be. There's technically no limit on the upload, but it hangs on the longer gifs. If it didn't, I would've rather did it at the highest size I could. lol, you and that ref. Doubt anyone else will remember it after that finals

On November 02 2018 01:37 TwiggyWan wrote:
clickbaity title, i thought you were above those

Yes, it's a bit of a clickbait title, but the content is still interesting enough to read imo. Sadly, blogs aren't as popular as they used to be. On that note, guessing you didn't enjoy the blog then?

On November 02 2018 03:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
2 mins long gif! I thought it was just 15 seconds long repeating itself on a loop becuase it was too tiny and blurred to make out anything, but looking again it's becuase the action was all along the spam spot of the map. Make me really want to see the rep now.

Not sure why you thought it was 15 seconds. The first part of that was over 30 second at least lol, but yes, size seems to be the biggest concern here. Spam spot of the map? You mean the right side?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 02 2018 14:29 GMT
#20
Mistyped. I meant "same" not "spam". The gif is small enough that I couldn't really see units moving in the minimap and the vision box in the minimap was mostly around the same place so I mistakenly thought it was repeating that's all.
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