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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
April 29 2017 05:21 GMT
#1
I tried to make a second video of Starcraft for Advanced Players. I tried to create some nice in-game stuff for people interested in watching. I included a few text messages during the replay so that observers can see what's going on in my head.

It's unfortunate of course that we can't see all of the various perfections in one place, as of course the intent is to play perfectly at all times.

However, despite our best intentions it seems the Zerg don't care.



There are small things like the words "love" and "hate", and you can see one of those ideas is tied to the concept of life and another of those ideas is tied to the concept of dead.

Why can't we just elaborate on this idea in English? Well, for one you don't want to encourage suicide bombers. So instead, we just say things like I hate scourge.

As you can see when we express this idea in the correct mathematical language things go our way but on the other hand when we're just typing in a stream of consciousness mentality--sometimes they don't.

Obviously Protoss as a race is the answer to small problems like whether our English translation is economically good for us. We don't want stupid results like the above game where the opponent blind counters us with builds that don't make any sense in context.

What I mean of course is that the thin line between life and death, love, and hate, and so on can divide gamers and when my opponent ventures to use an insulting build like hydra-only it makes me feel like ripping my balls off and stabbing them with carrots.

I hope this installment of Starcraft for Advanced Players lives up to expectations. Hopefully we can remove Zerg from the game for future installments but it might not be possible for me to remove all Zerg opponents from the VOD line-up.

As always thanks to my opponent, I'm a Jaedong fan even though I hate Zerg, and I think at least Jaedong should be allowed to play Zerg even if no one else should.

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Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
April 29 2017 10:41 GMT
#2
That feeling when you make some carriers and try to a-move through the map, but it turns out that you can't win this way
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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
April 29 2017 11:49 GMT
#3
On April 29 2017 19:41 Netto. wrote:
That feeling when you make some carriers and try to a-move through the map, but it turns out that you can't win this way

yea man hot air rises but cold water floats
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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-29 18:58:04
April 29 2017 13:24 GMT
#4
since one sometimes applied ability in starcraft (which i disagree with) is to simply throw a game because the opponent is lagging, i thought i'd demonstrate one of my PvP builds against a UKrainian or Russian guy

personally i think it would be better if we didn't include arbitrary throws in the starcraft nomenclature -- whether a player's tournament life is on the line or not, it's not acceptable -- but here it is and hopefully we won't need too many evidences of this.

ultimately it's pretty funny when set to immigrant song which in my opinion reedems the whole game from reavers.



edit: yes i see now i needed to shoot myself instead of upgrading maelstrom
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 29 2017 21:01 GMT
#5
On drugs: everyone thinks you're trolling

Off drugs: you start trolling for real
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
April 29 2017 22:25 GMT
#6
On April 30 2017 06:01 ninazerg wrote:
On drugs: everyone thinks you're trolling

Off drugs: you start trolling for real


On drugs: I ask black players how they lost.

Off drugs: I ask white players to replay from the checkmate to the opening position and who their ideal opponent for the game was.

If the white player can't complete the game in reverse order within the allotted time I assign the opponent a win.
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Othryoneus
Profile Joined April 2017
9 Posts
April 29 2017 22:48 GMT
#7
Embarrassing.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
April 30 2017 18:12 GMT
#8
You need to relax your hands while you play. I can sense by your troop movements subtle signs that your tendons are on the verge of snapping! Relax your hands and you shall be victorious.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
April 30 2017 18:42 GMT
#9
These went from being sort of(?) subtle to being so obviously a troll that it's not fun. Just some advice for your next piece
FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
May 01 2017 01:51 GMT
#10
On May 01 2017 03:12 puppykiller wrote:
You need to relax your hands while you play. I can sense by your troop movements subtle signs that your tendons are on the verge of snapping! Relax your hands and you shall be victorious.


i can't just play badly because my opponent's can't afford games.

On May 01 2017 03:42 Meepman wrote:
These went from being sort of(?) subtle to being so obviously a troll that it's not fun. Just some advice for your next piece


yeah i feel the same way about your commenting.
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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
May 01 2017 03:26 GMT
#11
On April 30 2017 07:48 Othryoneus wrote:
Embarrassing.


Honestly yeah it is. The game of Starcraft would obviously be a hundred times better if I just played a game of each race and matchup and included 1 random opponent per race.

I can't afford to do that so the only real use for Starcraft is to cure my depression. Sure it would be greater if my perfect meta Starcraft could change global science at the level of universality and bring world peace.

Perfecting every meta on stream is beyond me for expenses reasons. We can't have a perfect universal science of Starcraft from an injured player because it would disappoint the audience. I don't think the level of our Starcraft can really exceed "blind kid versus boxer" which still is probably the pinnacle of Starcraft science.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
May 01 2017 09:14 GMT
#12
blind kid vs boxer was epic indeed.
Broodwar for life!
FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-02 03:28:39
May 02 2017 03:28 GMT
#13
On May 01 2017 18:14 Cele wrote:
blind kid vs boxer was epic indeed.


yeah, but a lot more is possible. i'm faced with this damned roach-infested, monster-blasted fallout shelter of a recording studio.

if i had a nice hollywood joint with cocaine hash and acid i could bring my true builds. feels like i'm fucking coldplay trying to record here.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
May 02 2017 03:57 GMT
#14
On April 30 2017 07:25 FiveHundred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 06:01 ninazerg wrote:
On drugs: everyone thinks you're trolling

Off drugs: you start trolling for real


On drugs: I ask black players how they lost.


Yo, that's racist.
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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-02 06:53:04
May 02 2017 06:39 GMT
#15
On May 02 2017 12:57 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 07:25 FiveHundred wrote:
On April 30 2017 06:01 ninazerg wrote:
On drugs: everyone thinks you're trolling

Off drugs: you start trolling for real


On drugs: I ask black players how they lost.


Yo, that's racist.


Well, it is or it isn't. there are a multitude of colors to choose from in Starcraft. it is not all black versus white. You can also pick Random if you disagree with every race.

In any case, these losses have enraged me enough that there is no point playing any more. i am returning to meditation until I find inner peace.

I hope we can have more Starcraft for Advanced Players. Obviously we can't just leave Brood War in a state of shitty meta--we need to explore Feedback Reaver PvP and at least look at early Carrier PvZ especially against the "old" Lurker meta and as an alternative transition branch of the Bisu vs SaviOr opening.

I don't see any reason to just have Feedback PvP because it's boring and there should be Reavers. I also don't think we should just leave "the Bisu build" as Corsair into Dark Templar and possibly Reaver. This is boring or at least difficult for players that aren't Bisu. Carriers still seem a lot better against Lurkers than Dark Templar, if not Reavers... Carriers are much better as there really is no counter to Carriers (as played in Video 1). I don't think Zerg can reasonably beat this build if it chooses to open Mutalisk, which is common--obviously the Carrier transition would be much better if we already Corsairs and didn't have to build them secondly.

edit: I consider both games to be wins since they were easily won if I wasn't high. I shouldn't be required to research spells for High Templar when I'm high, and I shouldn't be required to build Observers when I'm high. Both opponents were basically being lazy, especially in the second game where Dark Templar win against a dual Robo build. Who goes Dark Templar when the opponent goes 2 Robo. It's my prerogative to kill myself when something like that happens and of course I should be free to exercise the option.
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
May 02 2017 07:54 GMT
#16
Okay, here is my opnion:
Its okay to claim to be the best, but to actually offend your opponent and call him a retard, is not entertaining for me, nor does it make me feel like i want to watch more of the replay, which i stopped at this point, because your comments where getting more and more heavy and offensive;

I am not going to judge you from your blog posts, comments, game strategy, because that would be unfair towards you. So why would you judge other people like that? Calling them names? It was not that you where loosing and where angry or frustrated, you where clearly ahead, and where bashing in your opponent. I really don' t understand
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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
May 02 2017 08:22 GMT
#17
On May 02 2017 16:54 pebble444 wrote:
Okay, here is my opnion:
Its okay to claim to be the best, but to actually offend your opponent and call him a retard, is not entertaining for me, nor does it make me feel like i want to watch more of the replay, which i stopped at this point, because your comments where getting more and more heavy and offensive;

I am not going to judge you from your blog posts, comments, game strategy, because that would be unfair towards you. So why would you judge other people like that? Calling them names? It was not that you where loosing and where angry or frustrated, you where clearly ahead, and where bashing in your opponent. I really don' t understand


Well it depends on your culture. Since I am a Terran player, I am playing in the present. You sound more like a Protoss player i don't want to watch more of the replay. When you are forced to watch from the future you will always want things to travel smoothly to your location.

For a Terran player it is not that simple. We are watching the replay from the present and observing mistakes traveling toward a certain future from an uncertain present. We are not able to affect the past like Zerg players are able to affect the past.

If I command myself to kill myself in the past, then I might get a win, but it doesn't help the Zerg player against Carriers.

If I question myself are you sure you're going to end your evolution as a human then I might get a win, but it doesn't help the Protoss player against Dark Archons.

You want some kind of language solution that Terran players don't have regardless of whether they are Protoss or Terran. It matters whether I kill myself in the past and create an infinitely gappy string between the past and the present or future. It also matters whether I end my evolution as a human and create an infinitely gappy string between the present and the future and past.

If I do either of these things correctly then I lose the game. There is no way for me to be considered happy in this case, even if I am only lucky therefore I am angry at the game. If the world is operating correctly I should be able to play perfect Starcraft and generate the replays I think people want to see. If the world isn't operating correctly then the game of Starcraft is failing us and there's nothing else than to create formal complaints in the proper language.
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quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
May 02 2017 14:27 GMT
#18
Buy a mic.
Don't use a title that has nothing to do with the content.
Separate your philosophical rant from the actual StarCraft.

Those three should help you get going.
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FiveHundred
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-02 20:46:48
May 02 2017 20:45 GMT
#19
On May 02 2017 23:27 quirinus wrote:
Buy a mic.
Don't use a title that has nothing to do with the content.
Separate your philosophical rant from the actual StarCraft.

Those three should help you get going.


lol, not many people think I'm probably better than Robert Plant...

the philosophical rant is part of the game, man. there are actually quite a few american protoss philosophers including canadians also.

i'm gonna try to do some winning recordings later today just using meditation. i'm not going to put a mic or video to anything because c'mon. hopefully everyone will be able to just anjoy the music.
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