• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:11
CET 14:11
KST 22:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview7RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Tenacious Turtle Tussle 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle Let's talk about Metropolis
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 1 - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1525 users

Oh the irony - Page 4

Blogs > opisska
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
July 04 2015 06:48 GMT
#61
On July 04 2015 15:32 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2015 13:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On July 04 2015 13:10 ninazerg wrote:
On July 03 2015 03:52 SixStrings wrote:
On July 02 2015 22:54 farvacola wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:12 QuanticHawk wrote:
No he's not lol

criticism would be if he said the qu'ran symbolizes hate and gave specific examples of that.

he said it symbolizes hate just like the confederate flag and mein kampf, that's it. one is criticism, the other is stupid inflammatory shit


If we assume that national socialism is an ideology which he holds in low regard (a safe assumption), then putting other ideologies in the same category is a criticism of that ideology. It's that simple.

I think that he should be allowed to criticize any ideology. He wasn't trolling, nor being racist. He was expressing his views on islam.


In pulling it all together, comparing islam with nazism without an incredible degree of nuance and space given is an obtuse, ahistorical, offensive, and downright stupid thing to do. Ya just shouldn't do it.


Right, except I never compared Nazism to Islam. I compared to the Quran to Mein Kampf.

There's a great deal of difference between comparing two books and comparing two ideologies, especially since I was only comparing the books in one aspect: Both incite the killing of jews.


You can't criticize Islam. All you'll get is people blinded by political correctness jumping through hoops to tell you that you need to shut up and respect Islam - or - crazy right-wing bigots that you don't ever want to be associated with endorsing you.

You can criticize Islam all you want (or at least should be able to), but what you can't do is be disingenuous about it and compare the key text to Nazi propaganda and deny your implication. It would be the same if I said, "the bible is hate-filled garbage" but when challenged, I insisted I was not saying anything negative about Christians or Christianity.


That's the kicker, isn't it? This whole 'religious tolerance' thing is basically even a thing because Christians would look like huge hypocrites condemning Islam openly, wouldn't they? Put that aside and suddenly, you can see that people are writing some crazy books, other people are structuring their lives around these books, and some people are killing because they are defending what they believe to be an attack on their very livelihood.

So then you should be calling out SixStrings for being soft and not just owning up to his opinion.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
July 04 2015 07:45 GMT
#62
wow, I almost replied with an arguement. Good trolling by SixStrings, okayish moderation.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18840 Posts
July 04 2015 13:34 GMT
#63
It's so hard being PC, oh my gerd, my armor isn't shiny enough.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-04 18:11:08
July 04 2015 17:37 GMT
#64
On July 04 2015 13:10 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2015 03:52 SixStrings wrote:
On July 02 2015 22:54 farvacola wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:12 QuanticHawk wrote:
No he's not lol

criticism would be if he said the qu'ran symbolizes hate and gave specific examples of that.

he said it symbolizes hate just like the confederate flag and mein kampf, that's it. one is criticism, the other is stupid inflammatory shit


If we assume that national socialism is an ideology which he holds in low regard (a safe assumption), then putting other ideologies in the same category is a criticism of that ideology. It's that simple.

I think that he should be allowed to criticize any ideology. He wasn't trolling, nor being racist. He was expressing his views on islam.


In pulling it all together, comparing islam with nazism without an incredible degree of nuance and space given is an obtuse, ahistorical, offensive, and downright stupid thing to do. Ya just shouldn't do it.


Right, except I never compared Nazism to Islam. I compared to the Quran to Mein Kampf.

There's a great deal of difference between comparing two books and comparing two ideologies, especially since I was only comparing the books in one aspect: Both incite the killing of jews.


You can't criticize Islam. All you'll get is people blinded by political correctness jumping through hoops to tell you that you need to shut up and respect Islam - or - crazy right-wing bigots that you don't ever want to be associated with endorsing you.


it's not that religion is above criticism. it's that comparing the quaran with mein kampf and saying they are both hate books without offering any kind of explanation or evidence for such a statement is lazy, stupid, and inflammtory. so basically par for the course for sixstrings.

even just giving a single example of how the quran inspires hate, even if its a shitty interpretation, would be an actual critism.
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
July 06 2015 11:40 GMT
#65
Sorry if this looks like a bump.. on a blog of all places.
I agree with the "it isn't actionable in the manner it was sanctioned" part of oppiska's original post.
On July 01 2015 02:35 The_Templar wrote:
He's asking why books that are aimed towards or against a group of people in an undesirable way are allowed when the same kind of symbols aren't. By comparing the Qu'ran to Mein Kampf, he's putting both in a very negative context and basically saying that Islams are literally like hitler.
Is he? Or is it your reading (ie most people's reading into it)?
Granted I would have warned as soon as it was posted!
We have bots for that! The program reads every posts and concludes that there are flagged words intersection and hence:
a public warning is issued saying :
1/this post is currently under scrutiny,
if user does not make her/his/its mind more comprehensively understood, his standalone post will be sanctioned soon.
2/live moderation in progress, a fleet of moderator appears, bob's your uncle..
3/stays open as is, temp ban or warning or ...
etc
#welcome to the twenty first century grid
I am just sure that the algorithms' law of probabilities will get you every time.
[#insert veiled sarcasm anytime/here if applicable#]

On topic: I feel we owe it to ourselves as a community to help people who don't realize that they are read, and what they wrote might be considered offensive or objectionable. Accountability is essential.
On July 05 2015 02:37 QuanticHawk wrote:...
even just giving a single example of how the quran inspires hate, even if its a shitty interpretation, would be an actual criticism.
Sort of my point.
"not enough rights"
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV 2025
13:00
Seeding Matches
herO vs ShoWTimELIVE!
SHIN vs herO
Clem vs herO
SHIN vs Clem
SHIN vs ShoWTimE
Clem vs ShoWTimE
ComeBackTV 871
WardiTV439
TaKeTV 227
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
trigger 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44932
Calm 4233
Bisu 1749
Horang2 1466
Hyuk 966
Jaedong 851
Stork 479
EffOrt 391
ZerO 322
actioN 297
[ Show more ]
Sharp 225
firebathero 211
Last 193
Hyun 116
Pusan 111
Killer 80
sorry 77
ToSsGirL 63
Aegong 55
Sea.KH 54
scan(afreeca) 32
Mong 30
Oya187 26
Movie 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Terrorterran 6
Icarus 4
Dota 2
singsing4469
Dendi953
XcaliburYe388
League of Legends
C9.Mang0323
Counter-Strike
x6flipin851
Super Smash Bros
Westballz23
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor302
Other Games
FrodaN2397
B2W.Neo1662
Fuzer 254
XaKoH 161
KnowMe105
Mew2King40
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH203
• Adnapsc2 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra875
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 50m
Sziky vs JDConan
BSL 21
6h 50m
Tech vs Cross
Bonyth vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
19h 50m
Wardi Open
22h 50m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Revival: Season 3
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.