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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
July 04 2015 06:48 GMT
#61
On July 04 2015 15:32 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2015 13:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On July 04 2015 13:10 ninazerg wrote:
On July 03 2015 03:52 SixStrings wrote:
On July 02 2015 22:54 farvacola wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:12 QuanticHawk wrote:
No he's not lol

criticism would be if he said the qu'ran symbolizes hate and gave specific examples of that.

he said it symbolizes hate just like the confederate flag and mein kampf, that's it. one is criticism, the other is stupid inflammatory shit


If we assume that national socialism is an ideology which he holds in low regard (a safe assumption), then putting other ideologies in the same category is a criticism of that ideology. It's that simple.

I think that he should be allowed to criticize any ideology. He wasn't trolling, nor being racist. He was expressing his views on islam.


In pulling it all together, comparing islam with nazism without an incredible degree of nuance and space given is an obtuse, ahistorical, offensive, and downright stupid thing to do. Ya just shouldn't do it.


Right, except I never compared Nazism to Islam. I compared to the Quran to Mein Kampf.

There's a great deal of difference between comparing two books and comparing two ideologies, especially since I was only comparing the books in one aspect: Both incite the killing of jews.


You can't criticize Islam. All you'll get is people blinded by political correctness jumping through hoops to tell you that you need to shut up and respect Islam - or - crazy right-wing bigots that you don't ever want to be associated with endorsing you.

You can criticize Islam all you want (or at least should be able to), but what you can't do is be disingenuous about it and compare the key text to Nazi propaganda and deny your implication. It would be the same if I said, "the bible is hate-filled garbage" but when challenged, I insisted I was not saying anything negative about Christians or Christianity.


That's the kicker, isn't it? This whole 'religious tolerance' thing is basically even a thing because Christians would look like huge hypocrites condemning Islam openly, wouldn't they? Put that aside and suddenly, you can see that people are writing some crazy books, other people are structuring their lives around these books, and some people are killing because they are defending what they believe to be an attack on their very livelihood.

So then you should be calling out SixStrings for being soft and not just owning up to his opinion.
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
July 04 2015 07:45 GMT
#62
wow, I almost replied with an arguement. Good trolling by SixStrings, okayish moderation.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18858 Posts
July 04 2015 13:34 GMT
#63
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32140 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-04 18:11:08
July 04 2015 17:37 GMT
#64
On July 04 2015 13:10 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2015 03:52 SixStrings wrote:
On July 02 2015 22:54 farvacola wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On July 02 2015 21:12 QuanticHawk wrote:
No he's not lol

criticism would be if he said the qu'ran symbolizes hate and gave specific examples of that.

he said it symbolizes hate just like the confederate flag and mein kampf, that's it. one is criticism, the other is stupid inflammatory shit


If we assume that national socialism is an ideology which he holds in low regard (a safe assumption), then putting other ideologies in the same category is a criticism of that ideology. It's that simple.

I think that he should be allowed to criticize any ideology. He wasn't trolling, nor being racist. He was expressing his views on islam.


In pulling it all together, comparing islam with nazism without an incredible degree of nuance and space given is an obtuse, ahistorical, offensive, and downright stupid thing to do. Ya just shouldn't do it.


Right, except I never compared Nazism to Islam. I compared to the Quran to Mein Kampf.

There's a great deal of difference between comparing two books and comparing two ideologies, especially since I was only comparing the books in one aspect: Both incite the killing of jews.


You can't criticize Islam. All you'll get is people blinded by political correctness jumping through hoops to tell you that you need to shut up and respect Islam - or - crazy right-wing bigots that you don't ever want to be associated with endorsing you.


it's not that religion is above criticism. it's that comparing the quaran with mein kampf and saying they are both hate books without offering any kind of explanation or evidence for such a statement is lazy, stupid, and inflammtory. so basically par for the course for sixstrings.

even just giving a single example of how the quran inspires hate, even if its a shitty interpretation, would be an actual critism.
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
July 06 2015 11:40 GMT
#65
Sorry if this looks like a bump.. on a blog of all places.
I agree with the "it isn't actionable in the manner it was sanctioned" part of oppiska's original post.
On July 01 2015 02:35 The_Templar wrote:
He's asking why books that are aimed towards or against a group of people in an undesirable way are allowed when the same kind of symbols aren't. By comparing the Qu'ran to Mein Kampf, he's putting both in a very negative context and basically saying that Islams are literally like hitler.
Is he? Or is it your reading (ie most people's reading into it)?
Granted I would have warned as soon as it was posted!
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On topic: I feel we owe it to ourselves as a community to help people who don't realize that they are read, and what they wrote might be considered offensive or objectionable. Accountability is essential.
On July 05 2015 02:37 QuanticHawk wrote:...
even just giving a single example of how the quran inspires hate, even if its a shitty interpretation, would be an actual criticism.
Sort of my point.
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