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govie
9334 Posts
![[image loading]](http://snag.gy/AoT9y.jpg) I would last pick Treant protector. My retarded idea would be to "incept" the bountyhunter lastpick with no jungler at all. I'd go enchantress safelane solo to humiliate the beastmaster offlane (maybe steal a boar into slashersway, hope its possible). And go aggrotri with witchdoctor+treant+pl. #scrubpubdoto What would your last pick be and how would you lane your draft? Edit: Apparantly CWM didnt draft, my bad but he's still cool ofcourse. | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
The chakra spam will also benefit literally every single person on the team. Additionally, every one of vega's heroes has mana issues, and none have a blink or other way to dodge illuminates. When kotl gets aghs+gem, they will have sufficient map control to lock down the jungle safely for PL to clear, and also allows them to push high ground with the tri-heal on a bloodstone+bkb leshrac. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
On May 20 2015 08:16 RoyGBiv_13 wrote: 3/4th position Kotl. At level one he pools sentries to bottom and then heads to top lane to safely farm against gyro/raptor. He will need the early levels against the push lineup vega has with BM/dk able to melt towers and raptor being able to keep people from tp'ing in to help defend. Illuminate will cover the anti-push pretty well since vega isn't suited to dive into lesh/WD stuns. The chakra spam will also benefit literally every single person on the team. Additionally, every one of vega's heroes has mana issues, and none have a blink or other way to dodge illuminates. When kotl gets aghs+gem, they will have sufficient map control to lock down the jungle safely for PL to clear, and also allows them to push high ground with the tri-heal on a bloodstone+bkb leshrac. kotl was banned | ||
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acie
United States247 Posts
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Kon-Tiki
United States402 Posts
I saw that too but I can also see how theteinmasters wouldn't have seen that. The bans in the image are hardly eye-catching... | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
You need an offlaner, could run a puck possibly as that gives good initiation/control and can survive the glimpse/rocket barrage. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
PL solo mid vs DK, I'm not sure how he would do here Lesh vs bm bot Ench offensive jungle, WK WD to go on do/disruptor. WK provides a setup for ench with a centaur or satyr or other tank creep, pressure gyro/disruptor until bounty shows up. Once bounty is there and the Vega top lane is pressured, rotate pl to bot where lesh has been bullying bm, lesh top to keep pressure up, ench to mid with her shitting on dk with creeps and range. Control top completely with rotations, runes, etc. Just fkin SUFFOCATE GYRO. Start to group as 5, with vamp aura sustaining pushes. Take rosh, rax, etc. End before gyro can recover, and before dk can get damage items. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
BM will pretty much guaranteed get some lvls and they will win top against 90% of the solo offlane hero-pool. So far they only win mid and Vega could have easily gone for a jungler instead of the bounty and still kill mid after dk 6 on a regular basis. Lesh cant go for top rune either if your off doesnt work. 100% Brood if i think about it. Crush top lane, go even on mid and safe. Disruptor doesnt do much to her before 4, gyro does nothing to her until he hits 6 and by then the lane is gonna be lost. With brood they cant rotate disruptor. With brood if they push they auto-loose a tower and their supports cant deal with her at all solo or even with two. She might win the lane after soul ring despite disruptor being there. Maybe dual mid against dk and solo bottom Lesh with ench focussing on bottom lane ganks. Viper, Timber, Omni, Zeus all could work. Lone Druid is really good here as well. I dont have much trust in the hero, but he works in the laning stage and if he manages to become some threat he's pretty much what they need in teamfights, a big distraction that runs around so that people cant focus lesh and pl. On May 20 2015 09:57 Jinxed wrote: Bounty doesn't counter Enchantress, not sure why that would even be an issue. Ench isn't some weak jungler, if there are sentries/dust and good creeps she wrecks Bounty as it's 2 or even 3 versus 1. You need an offlaner, could run a puck possibly as that gives good initiation/control and can survive the glimpse/rocket barrage. It's not about killing the ench, it's more about being constantly around and leeching half of her exp. Ench is an easy exp provider for bounty since she cant sentry her entire jungle (in difference to a lane). Also bounty+bm or bounty+dk should easily get a kill on her. I thought about puck as well, but tbh Puck wont get lvl two unless she hides in some treespot and they dont find her. Dual ranged vs puck with one of the best lvl 1 nukes in the game just ruins her and she cant go phaseshift lvl 1. Also once disruptor hits 3 it's lane over. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Which, granted, BH still stops, but then you're committing one hero just to watch ganks. And then, unlike early level Chen, Enchantress can solo kill a Bounty at level 1. | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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govie
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Courvoisir
Germany9 Posts
With this you force rotations to gank bristle before he gets out of control, your pl has a relaxing aggro tri and your ench has the safety of the tower+wisps+untouchable  Maybe the mainproblem here was to think Burden needs to counter the BH. They were thinking how to force Vega to react to their gamemaking, which is why that natures wasn't the worst pick. Another possibility would have been a mid pick, to let the ench solo offlane, which is possible. | ||
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ComeWithMe_
Romania31 Posts
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govie
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Archeon
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On May 20 2015 22:34 ComeWithMe_ wrote: Hi op, i didn't draft. And yes, dodging the BH by laning Enchantress is good, i've done that in a scrim yesterday and it went out nicely. Also, aggroing a gyro with pl is very realistic indeed, as your illusions provide more than enough tankyness to make the barrage damage irrelevant. How do you lane ench? What skillbuild did your team go and what purpose does she have if you do it? Is it better than just to put a sentry down before you start ganking? Also cool to have you here | ||
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ComeWithMe_
Romania31 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
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govie
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
Its one of the most frustrating things i've played against in a pub. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 21 2015 03:40 Comeh wrote: Honestly offlane enchantress is digusting and impossible to kill, and then when she hits 6 she can bully out a solo safelaner (while his supports are roaming). Its one of the most frustrating things i've played against in a pub. It's not impossible to kill more than it needs the combination of stuns and high burst damage, which the enemy draft here doesn't have. That said, DS feels like the most sensible pick here to me, seeing as it's an offlaner, a frontliner in an otherwise backline-heavy draft (that still has another close-range melee hero that benefits from surge and Ion), combos well with both Lesh and WD, and matches up well against the enemy lineup (it's more or less DS vs. 4 short-range heroes--the critical heroes on their lineup will tend to fight teamfights in very close formation, making them susceptible to Vac+Wall). It's also a Mek carrier on a lineup that has to strain a little bit to get a Mek onto one of the currently-picked heroes and matches well in any of the 3 lanes (offlane solo or either mid or safe solo if you're running the aggro tri)--gives you options. If you're going to not run a jungler, you can just run the Enchan mid and the other 3 already-picked heroes in a trilane. You need ganks/burst damage to actually threaten an Enchan, and the possible roamers on the Dire lineup don't have sufficient burst damage to do that (DK's inherent burst isn't high, nor is Disruptor's, and BH will have trouble finding a good place to get levels if you're not running her in the jungle). | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
the ench vs bm 1v1 especially would probably be so good for ench, guess bm could just level axes and not really use hawk and boar...but that takes away bm's strongest skill. agree though with the guy who suggested abaddon over treant for this game. | ||
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