300 games with Vengeful Spirit

On March 23 2015 21:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Vindictive ex-girlfriend?

That's a lot of VS games, Jesus. I enjoy supports who ward and such, I like playing those. But I like more the free-roaming of them. Like Ogre Magi, I love playing because you don't have to sit in your lane and do nothing.

On March 23 2015 22:02 Plansix wrote:

I think they can both roam. Venge and Orge have almost identical stun ranges and moment speeds. I don't think you would have any problems roaming with VS.

On March 24 2015 00:05 disciple wrote:
Nazgul has over 1000 games on BS, I will never reach that with venge.

I play mid on radiant every now and then - you can stack the ancients without leaving the lane with wave. Useful if you have tide or luna on the team. Also venge does pretty ok against pudge but obviously gets fucked hard by other popular mids like sniper and lina

On March 23 2015 22:48 ahswtini wrote:
so disciple is mr venge
nazgul is mr bloodseeker
kennigit is mr disruptor

wats with all these (former) tl bigwigs maining one champ

On March 24 2015 03:41 TheEmulator wrote:
One time I saw Nazgul pick BloodSeeker in an inhouse, and he destroyed everyone. We then said he could not pick BloodSeeker anymore since these inhouses were supposed to be fun

Then he randomed BloodSeeker the next game...

Literally a true story.

On March 24 2015 03:45 TheEmulator wrote:
He already posted in this thread.

On March 24 2015 03:59 Plansix wrote:

Yeah, I just really wanted credit for telling him about the thread. I'm needy like that.

On March 24 2015 03:46 disciple wrote:

I can confirm that happened

On March 24 2015 06:48 Kishin2 wrote:
What Venge cosmetics do you use?

On March 24 2015 08:42 icystorage wrote:
is this why you stepped down as tl admin ;_;

On March 23 2015 22:41 DucK- wrote:
So little solo kill potential with this hero makes it really boring to play :S

On March 24 2015 03:54 Sharkey wrote:
I am just beginning to learn about DotA and I have only been playing VS (around 30 games thus far). I have a couple of questions:

1) Any tips how to double stack jungle with wave? Which camps are best to stack as a safe lane support?
2) What items do you go for?
3) What determines when you get Tranqs or Treads?
4) Which other heroes synergise well with VS?
5) What should I focus on in the early game: stacking, zoning, or roaming?

I am a low skill/casual player who likes to 3-5 stack with my friends. But I do like watch and learn about Dota2. So any help would be appreciated.

On March 24 2015 08:26 disciple wrote:

Only this


I wish I had the venge gems earlier....

On March 24 2015 17:31 ahswtini wrote:

this is sad for anyone with ocd

On March 24 2015 08:33 Chewbacca. wrote:
I'm at 361 games with VS, only topped by CM.

Edit: Holy shit, but you didn't pick anyone in between. O.o

On March 25 2015 00:53 Alur wrote:
The nazgul of venomancers:
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/80557194/matches

On March 25 2015 02:04 Plansix wrote:
I just like how you have killed 602 heroes more than you have stunned. That is 602 heroes that you were just like “fuck it, hit me back and see how that works out for you.” I would expect the numbers to be reversed.

Edit: what dark magic is this shadowblade/bloodstone venomancer? This man is a legend.

On March 25 2015 02:45 Yurie wrote:


Plansix, the gems were added at different times. Compare the two images.

On March 25 2015 00:53 Alur wrote:
The nazgul of venomancers:
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/80557194/matches

On March 25 2015 02:45 Yurie wrote:


Plansix, the gems were added at different times. Compare the two images.

On March 24 2015 14:53 Blackfeather wrote:


i'm not super high mmr, but I can give my opinion:

1) In general stacking hard camps or Ancients is ideal. Most Heroes which can flash-farm stacked camps use spells (like Lina, Batrider, Chen and ench, SF) to do so, so stacking hard camps is preferred because you cant get mud golems. Unless you triple chain pull on radiant either hard camp is fine, but in general it's better to stack the camps close to the midlane on radiant and close to the t2s at dire because they are harder to contest.
In order to clear ancient camps well you need a right-click hero who has some kind of aoe or at least range. Examples include anything that goes for bfury, Luna, Gyrocopter, Sven, TA. Heroes that have a physical spammable aoe nuke like bristle, axe, tide work as well. Most heroes who go for lifesteal like Void, Pa, Naix are solid as well.

2) Forcestaff, blink, medallion or urn are the usual first item choices after the standard courier-upgrade -> tp -> brown boots -> wand core.

3) I usually skip both on my #5 and stick to brown boots, but i see lots of people do otherwise. OP could probably give you more insight.

4) VS is rather flexible, but usually you want at least one big right-clicker to use her two amplification spells. She also works well with heroes like Bristle and Axe who deal physical damage and therefore profit from her wave. You can also easily use her in minus armor- or aura-stats. SF gets a special mention because he likes everything Venge does.
I also like to pick her when I dont want to waste a ban and want to pick something she counters, like batrider, faceless void or to a lesser extent enigma.
I think she's very well rounded overall and gives you a littlebit of everything (scales well, amplifies teammates, makes rosh easier, ok as aggressive support as well as defensive especially after lvl 6/11).

5) game dependent. If your lanes are doing fine stacking and pulling. If your safelane is doing fine but the other two not so much and you could make an impact by roaming (aka the lane you roam to has killing potential with you and/or you have a good other aggressive support roaming with you), roaming. If your safelane needs you to get farm, zoning.
If you cant zone bc their offlane is to strong roaming is usually the better choice than staying in the lane and leech xp.

Just my 2 cent, take them with a grain of salt.

On March 23 2015 20:35 disciple wrote:
So yeah, I played 300 games with one of the most one dimensional and boring heroes in Dota2, in most of the cases as a solid position 6.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/131465760/matches?date=&hero=vengeful-spirit&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&faction=&duration=

My winrate moves between 57-58%, depending if im solo queuing or playing in a stack - obviously if you are playing selfless 6th position support communication is super important. So if there are other diehard support players who enjoy buying wards all game, swapping their carries out of trouble and dying in the process - you are not alone. I genuinely love supporting and I wish more people appreciate players who will rather have the entire map warded all game than getting a quick force staff.