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Why i quit 1v1 sc2 ladder

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Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
January 20 2015 03:14 GMT
#1
1. Terran

Its stupid how they and Protoss are designed. Thanks to that, I cant go skytoss, i must go splash every time, I can go for early stargate with VR as first unit. Terran bio is too strong.

2. Mutas

Just very annoying and very OP.

3. Smurfs

Its almost like their current league on their main account is too hard so they make a new one, in the low levels for easy wins. Smurfs is the main reason why I quit the game. If only A LOT more people play 1v1s, maybe there will be less smurfs.


Will Lotv make smurfing worse? It could. Which is why if I do get the game, I am never gonna go 1v1 or the automated tournaments and thanks to smurfs, below diamond 1v1 tournaments are gonna be ruined. What will stop a diamond leaguer to make a new account, start in bronze, never rank up, just for easy wins for the tournaments?

Does Blizzard ban smurfs?

*
Faent
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada94 Posts
January 20 2015 03:21 GMT
#2
The Starcraft 2 1v1 Ladder will miss you.
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
January 20 2015 03:22 GMT
#3
On January 20 2015 12:21 Faent wrote:
The Starcraft 2 1v1 Ladder will miss you.


and I will not miss it lol.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 20 2015 03:32 GMT
#4
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
iseefor
Profile Joined September 2010
United States162 Posts
January 20 2015 03:34 GMT
#5
i also thought Mutas were crazy good for a while when i was in gold. what i found is if i attack early and stay aggressive i could set the pace for the game annd not let them go to Mutas (plus keep sentries around for hallucinations helps the shitty scouting). i had to change my whole strategy and it took some time to get used to, but it helped me a ton in all match ups after everything.
.CJ.herO lifer.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 03:39:07
January 20 2015 03:39 GMT
#6
your arguments are very convincing
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SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
January 20 2015 03:45 GMT
#7
From one perspective, I played seasons 1-3 and then quit cold turkey. Came back after league was literally unplayable for about a week and still had about a gold level of play? (I fluctuate between beating low diamonds and losing to other silvers with very low (10 or less) games played). Sooo yeah, it could just be old players picking the game back up for a few and still being okay.

If mutas/bio or whatever else you can think of is truly OP, then you'd see the top players spam those strategies and win ezpz. But they don't, because it isn't. Or if they do it's not something your average players can execute flawlessly.

Long story short, you're quitting because of you can't handle it - don't blame the game.
Good luck friend!
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
January 20 2015 04:44 GMT
#8
come to BW
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
January 20 2015 05:04 GMT
#9
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.

this. you are in the "im stuck in elo hell" mentality where "smurfs" are holding you back and shit. nah, you're holding yourself back. man up and ladder up. either that or come to BW. then you'll understand how damn difficult it is to master mechanics
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 05:16:51
January 20 2015 05:15 GMT
#10
You could try playing zerg and use their OP mutas

Or you could try playing terran and use their OP bio

I await your Protoss OP/cannons op/templar op blog :D
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 20 2015 05:38 GMT
#11
On January 20 2015 13:44 Probemicro wrote:
come to BW


The same thing is in Brood War. The exact same kind of frustration where you have to grow and overcome it and then keep growing.

But yeah, come to the Brood Side.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
January 20 2015 06:43 GMT
#12
you have to embrace the smurfing one day. Though it is very frustrating at times

iccup (BW) is about 10 eastern european protoss players that have >500 smurfs
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 20 2015 08:23 GMT
#13
i agree OP, I went 2-6 this season because of Code S Players smurfing in Diamond on EU
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46433 Posts
January 20 2015 08:28 GMT
#14
On January 20 2015 12:22 Bareleon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 12:21 Faent wrote:
The Starcraft 2 1v1 Ladder will miss you.


and I will not miss it lol.


Any chance you're from Romania?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5542 Posts
January 20 2015 09:01 GMT
#15
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/431256-uninstalled-sc2

What happened?
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
January 20 2015 09:11 GMT
#16
Well you covered PvT and PvZ so I'm guessing you blame your PvP losses on smurfs.

Skill is OP
Yhamm is the god of predictions
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 20 2015 09:13 GMT
#17
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.

God forbid people want to play to have fun and not to become the best.

I quit SC2 1v1 not because I didn't "have the heart of a champion" or "the work ethic to grow stronger", but because it a) I wasn't having fun anymore and b) I had other, real life obligations that demanded my attention.

From a gameplay perspective, T and P have plenty of design flaws, and TvP is a matchup in which both races are basically shoehorned into certain compositions. It's not really fun if you can't use half of your units.
Trizztein
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada45 Posts
January 20 2015 09:20 GMT
#18
Hello.

I'm a fresh player in SC2 world, only started laddering in january 2014 (so it's been a year now and I've played only 1000 games since then because I'm full time student). Last season I played NA server 1v1 ladder alot during my 3 weeks vacations. After each game I would either talk to the players about their actual «real» level or get an idea of it through looking at their statistics. And yes, as Nathanias put it, NA has become somehow a niche for smurfs, since community has seemed to agree it's the «easiest» server. But that has perhaps recently made it the hardest too for beginners since you end up facing smurfs the whole time. But here's what I thought of it in the end:

To hell with the losses.

SC2 is about learning. Not just winning. Think of it this way: you'll only ever learn as much as when you lose a game. Winning a game means you faced less resistance than you could've, and that won't get you further in the long run. Having this attitude I actually ended up beating smurfs (like ex-masters), which made me feel proud and gave me the conviction I had truly gotten better from where I was in the past. Also, knowing you can face a smurf every game, you'll just play your best every time, finding no excuse in «oh well he's just gold, I can chill». No. Just play your best, always, and you'll only get better faster this way.

Whine less, practice more, and don't care for the level in front of you or in the win/loss result.

And if it may be of any help: these players looking to face lesser players are the losers in the long run, because once they go back to their own leagues they'll have lost a lot of their skills facing newbs. Their skill is decreasing. Your's is increasing. You win in the long run.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 20 2015 09:54 GMT
#19
nah ninazerg is harsh but correct
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 11:11:25
January 20 2015 11:09 GMT
#20
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.


Do you realise some people just see it as a videogame to have casual fun while they have 100x more rewarding and fulfilling lives outside battle.net? Or do they have to sweat blood otherwise they are not worthy of playing?
Dating thread on TL LUL
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
January 20 2015 11:38 GMT
#21
On January 20 2015 20:09 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.


Do you realise some people just see it as a videogame to have casual fun while they have 100x more rewarding and fulfilling lives outside battle.net? Or do they have to sweat blood otherwise they are not worthy of playing?


No, man. It's all about hate. You have to hate it so much, that you scream KHAAAAAAAN everytime you log in.
Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
January 20 2015 11:47 GMT
#22
Dude you are so full of shit. Pretty much nothing of what you said is accurate, I mean, how can you be anything less than grandmaster and have any kind of opinion on balance? I sometimes feel the way you do but instantly tell myself I'm full of shit, I can just get better and beat whatever is feeling frustrating to me.

And whining about smurfs makes me think you're probably nowhere near GM.
"Amazing how something so simple as a fat person and gravity can be so amusing. Classic!"
DuckDuckDuck
Profile Joined December 2014
Germany8 Posts
January 20 2015 12:27 GMT
#23
Im missing broken mmr and terrible blizzard servers in there. And for the intro something like "I am gm level player stuck in plat" would have been great.
But nice read notheless.
If it bleeds, we can kill it!
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 20 2015 13:40 GMT
#24
Come play Starbow with us! :D

http://starbowmod.com/
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
[BSP]Kain
Profile Joined May 2014
119 Posts
January 20 2015 13:58 GMT
#25
On January 20 2015 20:38 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 20:09 SoSexy wrote:
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.


Do you realise some people just see it as a videogame to have casual fun while they have 100x more rewarding and fulfilling lives outside battle.net? Or do they have to sweat blood otherwise they are not worthy of playing?


No, man. It's all about hate. You have to hate it so much, that you scream KHAAAAAAAN everytime you log in.


So true. So true...
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 15:30:22
January 20 2015 15:29 GMT
#26
The complains about "terran" and "smurfs" are pretty absurd - yes, there is one toss unit that is stupidly bad agains terran, so just don't build it, right? and there are not even remotely many smurfs as you believe, it's just you are not as solid as you think so sometimes people of similar skill beat you on some weak point of yours.

On the other hand I understand the "mutas" pain - while they aren't OP at the top level, they are extremely annoying for a lower-level player to deal with. That's one thing that the competitive TL population stubbornly refuses to understand - for the game to be popular, it has to be balanced at all levels. Of course, to be a good competitive title, it needs balance at the pro level, but to keep a healthy playerbase of noobs (which is crucial for long-term viability), it needs to provide a good experience to them. The "balance only for top level" mantra is doing much more harm than good to the popularity of SC in general. But you can rest assured that it was much, much worse in BW ...

Anyway, I have solved the muta problem a long time ago and came out really happy - I play Zerg now, come join the SWARM.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 20 2015 16:53 GMT
#27
On January 20 2015 18:13 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.

God forbid people want to play to have fun and not to become the best.

I quit SC2 1v1 not because I didn't "have the heart of a champion" or "the work ethic to grow stronger", but because it a) I wasn't having fun anymore and b) I had other, real life obligations that demanded my attention.

From a gameplay perspective, T and P have plenty of design flaws, and TvP is a matchup in which both races are basically shoehorned into certain compositions. It's not really fun if you can't use half of your units.


On January 20 2015 20:09 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.


Do you realise some people just see it as a videogame to have casual fun while they have 100x more rewarding and fulfilling lives outside battle.net? Or do they have to sweat blood otherwise they are not worthy of playing?


If he's bored, that's fine. If he wants to do something else with his time, that's fine. If you're not having fun, it's fine. But if you play a competitive game against another person, and then lose, and your only take-away is "That loss was bullshit", then you aren't thinking clearly. If you are a casual player and have no desire to improve, you should not cry when you lose.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
[BSP]Kain
Profile Joined May 2014
119 Posts
January 20 2015 17:10 GMT
#28
The best solution to see how the balance really looks like is to play race/tactics you find broken. It does wonders when it comes to fighting bias. ;]
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 20 2015 18:20 GMT
#29
On January 20 2015 22:40 Xiphias wrote:
Come play Starbow with us! :D

http://starbowmod.com/

guess who I will mass mutas against now
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
January 20 2015 19:02 GMT
#30
On January 20 2015 20:47 Amazonic wrote:
Dude you are so full of shit. Pretty much nothing of what you said is accurate, I mean, how can you be anything less than grandmaster and have any kind of opinion on balance? I sometimes feel the way you do but instantly tell myself I'm full of shit, I can just get better and beat whatever is feeling frustrating to me.

And whining about smurfs makes me think you're probably nowhere near GM.


Highlighting this wonderful post, I hereby petition to make everything sc2 related on TL (eg Maps & Costum Games forum, Blogs, etc) read-only for everyone not having an active GM account! Also, for obvious - skill related - reasons, GMs from SEA, TW, China and NA and EU have to be excluded as well.

Making TL a better place for everyone some.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
January 20 2015 19:08 GMT
#31
Once I used mutas vs the Templar and he rage quit sc2 but he is also a guy a who bc rushes the ladder for no other reason than because he can. You rage quitting ladder is your choice but it's a cowardly one
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Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 19:44:59
January 20 2015 19:42 GMT
#32
So im back to playing sc2 lol.

Idk why I came back since:

1. Gotta love it you can lose if you thoguht you walled off but there was a space from a ffe.

2. Just played a 45 min game vs someone who went swarm hosts, i won, but do I really want to play 45 or more min game every time a zerg goes swarm hosts? No. Gotta love that unit!

And yes, it is accurate what i said, its not fun to play against mutas, swarm hosts, terran harass and smurfs.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 20 2015 20:02 GMT
#33
Congratulations, you nearly were abstinent for 16 hours! Actually probably not that much since you already played 2 games before that post.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
January 20 2015 20:04 GMT
#34
you should play UMS.
Me sad.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 20 2015 20:50 GMT
#35
Nina so right
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
January 20 2015 21:48 GMT
#36
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.

maybe he wants to play a game thats fucking fun
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
January 20 2015 21:50 GMT
#37
Nina is right.. Come to bw
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 20 2015 22:15 GMT
#38
For me, the competition is fun. And start learnign to beat muta players, and you'll find it fun to play against. if you really don't want to change your ways, SC2 is not your game. They're working on fixing SH things as just announced, which I'm sure we're all happy about, but you need to understand that you can't always play exactly the way you want and expect everyone to fall in line and die.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 20 2015 22:30 GMT
#39
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.


I was hoping this was some sort of satire, but it seems, sadly, that you are serious.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
January 21 2015 00:36 GMT
#40
On January 20 2015 20:09 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.


Do you realise some people just see it as a videogame to have casual fun while they have 100x more rewarding and fulfilling lives outside battle.net? Or do they have to sweat blood otherwise they are not worthy of playing?

Someone's salty
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
January 21 2015 00:42 GMT
#41
On January 21 2015 04:42 Bareleon wrote:
So im back to playing sc2 lol.

Idk why I came back since:

1. Gotta love it you can lose if you thoguht you walled off but there was a space from a ffe.

2. Just played a 45 min game vs someone who went swarm hosts, i won, but do I really want to play 45 or more min game every time a zerg goes swarm hosts? No. Gotta love that unit!

And yes, it is accurate what i said, its not fun to play against mutas, swarm hosts, terran harass and smurfs.

Can a mod change the title to: "Everything that causes me to multitask and/or lose is OP wahhhhhhhhhhh"
castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada790 Posts
January 21 2015 02:24 GMT
#42
no matter what game you play that's a player vs player type game, you're going to get owned over and over until you realize your mistakes and improve accordingly to your weaknesses. that's the harsh reality, if you don't like it, you don't have to play the game.
AKA: castle[eMg]@USEast/ iCCup
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
January 21 2015 02:33 GMT
#43
On January 21 2015 04:42 Bareleon wrote:
Idk why I came back


the allure of the deathball is too irresistible to ignore.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 21 2015 03:08 GMT
#44
loool
When I think of something else, something will go here
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France342 Posts
January 21 2015 03:17 GMT
#45
On January 20 2015 12:32 ninazerg wrote:
"Mutas" "Smurfs"

No, you quit because you don't have the heart of a champion, you don't have the work ethic to grow stronger, you don't have the humility to understand that you aren't the best, the fastest, the smartest and always need to be growing.



It's even worse when you realize this but keep playing anyway lol
No bad days
OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
January 21 2015 07:59 GMT
#46
Wait, so you quit ladder because the game doesn't hold your hand?
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
January 21 2015 14:27 GMT
#47
the qq is rel
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
January 21 2015 23:43 GMT
#48
I was hoping for some in-depth criticism of the ladder system. What I got: Childish whining and click-baiting.

But let me help you:
1. Play Terran
2. Play Zerg
3. Make a smurf account

Glad I could help.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
January 22 2015 00:19 GMT
#49
I left SC2 because I find the game thoroughly unenjoyable. I thought Terran was overpowered for a few months after release and then I thought the game was reasonably well balanced, yet uninspiring. The 3 reasons in OP are BS and amount to "I lose too much".
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
January 22 2015 19:17 GMT
#50
I am done with protoss. I am sick of mutas. I am gonna switch to zerg and that will be my new main race. Maybe Lotv will change toss up enough for me to switch back.

Sad how when I tried to play a macro game vs a terran as toss I lost but won when I was zerg, and I played hundreds of less games as Zerg than toss,.

Zerg ezmode.
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
January 22 2015 20:00 GMT
#51
What are some good all-ins in zvz?
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