EPTI'm sure nobody forgets the time of traveling to a tourny for a prize pool of £400 yet spending more just getting there and paying for your stay.
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Dorner
Ireland22 Posts
I'm sure nobody forgets the time of traveling to a tourny for a prize pool of £400 yet spending more just getting there and paying for your stay. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:06 Dorner wrote: Since when do people care about accommodation provided by tournaments? If you're staying in a hotel on somebody else' dime, be grateful you have a roof over your head and a bed to sleep in. I've had to sleep on two chairs side by side numerous times at tournaments. I'm sure nobody forgets the time of traveling to a tourny for a prize pool of £400 yet spending more just getting there and paying for your stay. "things were once bad" is not a reason to stick with the status quo likewise "accommodations exist" is not a reason to not worry about accommodations. These players are supposed to be the best in the world, if we expect them to perform to that standard in tournament after tournament they need decent (not crazy nice) accommodations. not everyone has to provide to Valve's TI levels but not requiring players to share beds should be some basic shit. | ||
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Dorner
Ireland22 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:16 theqat wrote: "things were once bad" is not a reason to stick with the status quo likewise "accommodations exist" is not a reason to not worry about accommodations. These players are supposed to be the best in the world, if we expect them to perform to that standard in tournament after tournament they need decent (not crazy nice) accommodations. not everyone has to provide to Valve's TI levels but not requiring players to share beds should be some basic shit. I'm sorry but if you want your own bed after traveling to a competition as a team, then pay for your own bed. That's just common sense man, why would any tournament give a flying fuck about how many people is in your room when they're already forking out thousands of dollars in prize money. | ||
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xiituzi
United States11 Posts
"The Chinese casts are far more analytical" >< I've muted Chinese casters for years with exception of maybe LaNm but ex-pro players really lack in camera control in terms of for the audience and besides from the game analysis the commentating is quite dull. (BUT THAT'S JUST ME! ;D) | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:06 Dorner wrote: Since when do people care about accommodation provided by tournaments? If you're staying in a hotel on somebody else' dime, be grateful you have a roof over your head and a bed to sleep in. I've had to sleep on two chairs side by side numerous times at tournaments. I'm sure nobody forgets the time of traveling to a tourny for a prize pool of £400 yet spending more just getting there and paying for your stay. lol cos everything is still the same | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:23 Dorner wrote: I'm sorry but if you want your own bed after traveling to a competition as a team, then pay for your own bed. That's just common sense man, why would any tournament give a flying fuck about how many people is in your room when they're already forking out thousands of dollars in prize money. The relevant EE quote here is Well DH was a mess in general, they kept hidden the hotel/rooming situation till right before the tournament started, and then we were told that we would have 3-4 people per room. lol. In other words, they probably would have booked their own accomodation but DH said "nope it's covered" then when they showed up it was shitty as fuck. Keep in mind that these players are playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars, why should they be sleeping 4 people in a crowded hotel room with likely 2 beds? | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:23 Dorner wrote: I'm sorry but if you want your own bed after traveling to a competition as a team, then pay for your own bed. That's just common sense man, why would any tournament give a flying fuck about how many people is in your room when they're already forking out thousands of dollars in prize money. Musicians get all kinds of ridiculous stuff for playing at concerts and music festivals. Not only are they getting paid, but they get beds and hot meals, and they usually specify what kinds of hot meals they want in the hospitality riders of their contracts, as well as what kind of refreshments they want between meals, and what kinds of towels they want to use. It's standard practice in the live music industry. Just because tournaments are paying out money to the top finishers does not mean that paying for players' accommodations is an outrageous proposition, especially considering that without the players, the tournament doesn't happen. | ||
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Dorner
Ireland22 Posts
Then book another hotel room holy shit they get paid enough don't they? This blog post covers lots of important points and he's right about most of it but why bitch about your accommodation if you're not willing to find a solution yourself. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:29 Dorner wrote: @sn0 Then book another hotel room holy shit they get paid enough don't they? This blog post covers lots of important points and he's right about most of it but why bitch about your accommodation if you're not willing to find a solution yourself. Why would that be possible in a city where dreamhack is going on even if it weren't very likely that nearly all hotel space in the city were booked for DH, it shouldn't be the teams' job to take care of something they were told would be handled for them. | ||
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Eternalobi
Canada220 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:23 Dorner wrote: I'm sorry but if you want your own bed after traveling to a competition as a team, then pay for your own bed. That's just common sense man, why would any tournament give a flying fuck about how many people is in your room when they're already forking out thousands of dollars in prize money. As a result, top tier teams are not gonna attend these tournaments. EG and C9 has already rejected many tournaments. Newbee and VG are losing qualifier game son purpose. Still doesnt care? Tournaments are the ones making money off these teams. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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zzdd
United States484 Posts
On December 17 2014 03:23 Dorner wrote: I'm sorry but if you want your own bed after traveling to a competition as a team, then pay for your own bed. That's just common sense man, why would any tournament give a flying fuck about how many people is in your room when they're already forking out thousands of dollars in prize money. The team flies their players over to another country (hundreds maybe thousands of dollars) and stay at a hotel for a few days (hundred of dollars) for the CHANCE at making some money. If you can't win, you would only lose money going to tournaments. The risk would be enormous for any small or mid team. Of course a tournament has every right to provide you with some shit rooms but when they're making thousands off of the teams, players, and brands you expect a little better treatment than one hotel room. | ||
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Eternalobi
Canada220 Posts
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Leeoku
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Dorner
Ireland22 Posts
Everything else EE has said makes sense, cut down tournaments that are literally replicas of one another with just a different venue and name on the door and maybe start taking the players in to consideration because you can't expect a professional footballer to play in his slippers, why would you ask a DotA player to use a terrible PC. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Are teams fine with a tournament removing 25k$ from the price money to use 500$ per person for better travel/sleeping conditions? It's something the players have to communicate clearly to the organizers - and I doubt it happened. On December 17 2014 02:32 TheTenthDoc wrote: I really would like to hear some of the Chinese and CIS perspective on this, especially the CIS teams since no one seems to ever give a flying fuck about them in the English-speaking DotA community. I hope they start broadcasting their feelings are well. NS made a reddit thread ~2weeks ago: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2nsu7l/a_large_number_of_tournaments_on_dota_2_reduces/ The thread was the reason for the Tobi post. On December 17 2014 03:04 bloodwhore~ wrote: I agree that there are way to many tournaments going on. You can't watch all matches since there are so many, and you don't really want to either since you don't really think any special tournament is important when there are so many of the exact same format. Right now: 1. VP vs mYi are playing in joinDOTA masters 2. VP.Polar vs Empire in D2L 3. Natasha vs Secret in StarSeries So what if you cannot watch all matches? Every weekend there are 9 Bundesliga and 9 2nd Bundesliga matches going on. I don't have the time to watch them all, so I decide which games I watch. And I definitely care about the matches that I watch. It's actually something which I wondered about a lot: running games in parallel. Especially in qualifiers. It would reduce possible conflicts between different tournaments, and viewers can still watch VODs if they are interested in games at the same timeslot. Of course having multiple casting teams available might be a problem. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
This isn't top tier music industry. It's not New York television. This is a scene still getting on its feet with lots of instability for everyone. It's hard enough to have everything that players want all at once without then also complaining about how you managed to pay for things. Yeah, The Summit could have in-house PCs, but the money put into that would come out of someplace else. I'm sure if they could get Alienware sponsorship they could. But they made choices, and they chose to take a chance on this PC sponsor and it worked out poorly. Meanwhile everyone's airfare was taken care of, no one complained about hotels, everyone had nice places to relax, food was served, and generally the casters did their best (and overall did a pretty good job). And EVERYONE GOT PAID. Even the team that couldn't clear their visas. EVERYONE GOT PAID. Have some fucking perspective. | ||
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