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On April 18 2014 10:35 UrsusRex wrote:
Its not fear its stress. When people insult me for not contributing to the team at the level they expect why should I continue to play when I can play other games where I have more experience and co op is more fun and appreciative. People in competitive games like Starcraft and Dota are less welcoming and fun to play with than FPS communities or games like Dark Souls. When I play games like Dota and SC2 people spend most of their time communicating lobbing insults and puffing up their own ego, I don't tolerate people like that in real life among coworkers or family why would I tolerate in my free time with a complete stranger.
The other day I was watching Arteezy streaming and he repeatedly called out another player on his team playing void walker for doing a bad job by insulting him multiple times. The player eventually rage quit and obviously felt like crap for the way he was treated and since Arteezy is a pro the rest of the team felt comfortable piling on the criticism. That environment is not fun for new players and its not something I would waste time with.
Not wanting to subject myself to being treated that way has nothing to do with fear its about enjoying the game I'm playing. I play plenty of hard games and have long sessions of Dark Souls PvP and plenty of other games from racing games to CoD. When I spend my time playing games I do so to have fun and reduce stress in my life. I have nothing to prove to anyone I don't even know who PyrionFlax is much less care how he perceives me. I care about having fun and enjoying what I'm doing. In a game like Dota I don't get that experience so why would I spend my time playing it? I won't I spend my time on games that make my life better not games that gain me the approval of 13 year old boys.
Well I don't play DOTA, but on SC2 there is a mute feature, and it's wonderful.
If you have no mute feature, just don't respond AT ALL, this drives trolls CRAZY.
Also, music can pump you up and make you semi-immune to flames.
Lastly, bullies are cowards, and it behooves you to learn how to deal with them, online or offline. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire; to get someone off your back you need to get on theirs, etc.
Or do what you're doing! It's your choice.
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On April 18 2014 10:35 UrsusRex wrote:
Its not fear its stress. When people insult me for not contributing to the team at the level they expect why should I continue to play when I can play other games where I have more experience and co op is more fun and appreciative. People in competitive games like Starcraft and Dota are less welcoming and fun to play with than FPS communities or games like Dark Souls. When I play games like Dota and SC2 people spend most of their time communicating lobbing insults and puffing up their own ego, I don't tolerate people like that in real life among coworkers or family why would I tolerate in my free time with a complete stranger.
The other day I was watching Arteezy streaming and he repeatedly called out another player on his team playing void walker for doing a bad job by insulting him multiple times. The player eventually rage quit and obviously felt like crap for the way he was treated and since Arteezy is a pro the rest of the team felt comfortable piling on the criticism. That environment is not fun for new players and its not something I would waste time with.
Not wanting to subject myself to being treated that way has nothing to do with fear its about enjoying the game I'm playing. I play plenty of hard games and have long sessions of Dark Souls PvP and plenty of other games from racing games to CoD. When I spend my time playing games I do so to have fun and reduce stress in my life. I have nothing to prove to anyone I don't even know who PyrionFlax is much less care how he perceives me. I care about having fun and enjoying what I'm doing. In a game like Dota I don't get that experience so why would I spend my time playing it? I won't I spend my time on games that make my life better not games that gain me the approval of 13 year old boys.
I will certainly concede that DotA has one of the most absolutely toxic communities I've ever been privy to. With most other online games I play, I can count the number of truly vile people I've met on one hand. With DotA, it feels like an all too regular occurrence. My post was more in the defense of not letting your doubts about yourself (or the importance you individually have on the game) hold you back. But if words from strangers persistently effect you in negative ways, then you have no reason to subject yourself to it. The online etiquette of much of DotA's player base is admittedly the largest factor in preventing me from playing it more than I already do.
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Everything Pyrion posts is so offensive and illogical, I'm surprised his posts are still featured. I mean really, he's suggesting that if people bully you online because of how you play and it starts to depress you, or if you for any reason feel stressed playing an intense game and it starts making you nervous, then there's clearly something wrong with you and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the same absurd "be a man" nonsense that leads kids to think that its not okay to cry.
If the Dota community is so toxic that it actually provokes fear in people, then no you don't have to play. If the gameplay is intense enough that it provokes anxiety, than some dude on Team Liquid telling you to be a man is not going to fix a deep anxiety issue stemming from the game. Not everyone is the same, some people react more strongly to certain situations than others. And its obviously a very widespread issue that can not be dismissed by obvious arguments. If it were so simple, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago. There is clearly some deeper psychological issues people have when playing dota and the stress it invokes that can not be easily overriden by some guy yelling at you on Team Liquid.
Its ironic that the supposed logical impetus here is really just Pyrion bullying people into thinking that if they don't play Dota2 they're weak-minded or stupid, which is exactly the sort of flaming people would want to avoid. If his whole post was meant to be some kind of big joke (and I don't see any reason to think it is, considering his past postings, unless all of *those* are jokes too that nobody noticed), then its in poor taste. I wish his toxic presence wouldn't be on Team Liquid anymore 
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Back in Dota 1 when there was no MMR it truly was a horrible experience being a latecomer to the game and joining games on battlenet only to get kerbstomped and flamed by people with thousands of wins under their belts. Now with MMR though it's great being matched with other baddies and every time I lose I know that it will only make future games easier.
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Yeah, I really don't like this attitude. I hear it a lot, and it's actually the same reason people don't want to play. People are jerks.
There is no reason why someone who doesn't want to get flamed or yelled at (when they want to be having a good time playing a game) should have to "suck it up" or "grow some sexual organs". If you aren't comfortable doing something, don't let anyone pressure you into doing it. There is nothing at all wrong with not enjoying people criticizing you heavily when you are trying to learn/play a game. Not everyone is immune to that kind of stuff, and just because it doesn't bother you personally doesn't mean that you can harass people who it does bother.
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I have to disagree. I think if the game is causing people stress and anxiety to the point where they aren't enjoying the experience, then playing it is not the right solution. Also, I don't know where you got the idea that yelling at them to just play it would help lol. As mentioned several times in this thread, I think different people have different tolerance levels and react differently to the same thing. While one person might be ok with being verbally abused, another person might just flip out and rage quit never to play again. As soon as the fun component of a game is gone, playing the game becomes boring and feels like a waste of time. Sounds like you were ranting in your post though and I guess that's expected if you just had a bad experience in dota before writing this lol.
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On April 18 2014 05:40 duckmaster wrote:
I think people take games way too seriously in general. Way back in the early days of DotA I don't think anyone ever had any anxiety when they joined a random -apem pros only game on Bnet, and personally I think it's because back then people had a healthy approach to it. The game was about having fun, and that was it. People didn't join those games to practice offlane or whatever. Dota wasn't treated as anything more than a game. But nowadays right off the bat new players are directed to guides that are literally called "welcome to dota, you suck" or a day9 daily telling you "how to be a better gamer". If I go play cs:go in complete shit tier gold nova games, and I try to make a play instead of taking it safe, I get flamed to hell and back. But often I'd like to ask these people, what the fuck does it matter if I don't play the game "properly" or by the book. I'm not trying to imitate the way NiP plays with a bunch of randoms, when I know that I suck and couldn't do it anyway, and also because I want to try new stuff and just have fun. But I guess that's just wrong nowadays. It's all about the Rank or MMR or whatever, and being the next esport hero.
Nails and heads. Everything needs to be so competitive nowadays, it really sucks the fun out of playing. Honestly, I don't mind difficulty in games at all. I love games like Dark Souls and Rayman: Legends that really do challenge your reflexes. The thing is, those games aren't competitive. There is no pressure to perform because there is no competitive scene to speak of. You can take all the time you want trying to figure things out, and it makes those games enjoyable even for people who do not have the time to spend four hours a day playing video games and spend even more hours reading guides.
And to the OP: grow some balls? Nah, I'd rather not play games that frustrate me and stress me out. There is no point in that.
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Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect.
You guys must be great to have at parties.
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On April 18 2014 12:10 radscorpion9 wrote:Everything Pyrion posts is so offensive and illogical, I'm surprised his posts are still featured. I mean really, he's suggesting that if people bully you online because of how you play and it starts to depress you, or if you for any reason feel stressed playing an intense game and it starts making you nervous, then there's clearly something wrong with you and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the same absurd "be a man" nonsense that leads kids to think that its not okay to cry. If the Dota community is so toxic that it actually provokes fear in people, then no you don't have to play. If the gameplay is intense enough that it provokes anxiety, than some dude on Team Liquid telling you to be a man is not going to fix a deep anxiety issue stemming from the game. Not everyone is the same, some people react more strongly to certain situations than others. And its obviously a very widespread issue that can not be dismissed by obvious arguments. If it were so simple, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago. There is clearly some deeper psychological issues people have when playing dota and the stress it invokes that can not be easily overriden by some guy yelling at you on Team Liquid. Its ironic that the supposed logical impetus here is really just Pyrion bullying people into thinking that if they don't play Dota2 they're weak-minded or stupid, which is exactly the sort of flaming people would want to avoid. If his whole post was meant to be some kind of big joke (and I don't see any reason to think it is, considering his past postings, unless all of *those* are jokes too that nobody noticed), then its in poor taste. I wish his toxic presence wouldn't be on Team Liquid anymore
Offensive half joking rants are Pyrion's trade, not the biggest fan myself but whatever, don't take a cartoon character's posts personally.
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Failing to win isn’t losing, failing to play is.
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some responses to this fun post make me sad.
i cant write more without really offending some dudes here so ill just watch starladder instead.
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I get flamed even when I did all I could for my team, farmed the most and have the most accrued kills and assists. This game is shit but I enjoy playing it nonentheless
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People aren't offended by the OP's writing style. They are simple expressing their disdain for a western culture machismo that belittles those who don't have the same ideals as the concept of the machismo norm. They believe that a person should do what he enjoys and not have to be judged and attacked for not fitting into an idealized paradigm.
This would be true no matter how serious or tongue and cheek the writing style is because they are criticizing the content of his writing and not the word choice of his writing.
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On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote:
Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect.
You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
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On April 18 2014 12:10 radscorpion9 wrote:Everything Pyrion posts is so offensive and illogical, I'm surprised his posts are still featured. I mean really, he's suggesting that if people bully you online because of how you play and it starts to depress you, or if you for any reason feel stressed playing an intense game and it starts making you nervous, then there's clearly something wrong with you and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the same absurd "be a man" nonsense that leads kids to think that its not okay to cry. If the Dota community is so toxic that it actually provokes fear in people, then no you don't have to play. If the gameplay is intense enough that it provokes anxiety, than some dude on Team Liquid telling you to be a man is not going to fix a deep anxiety issue stemming from the game. Not everyone is the same, some people react more strongly to certain situations than others. And its obviously a very widespread issue that can not be dismissed by obvious arguments. If it were so simple, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago. There is clearly some deeper psychological issues people have when playing dota and the stress it invokes that can not be easily overriden by some guy yelling at you on Team Liquid. Its ironic that the supposed logical impetus here is really just Pyrion bullying people into thinking that if they don't play Dota2 they're weak-minded or stupid, which is exactly the sort of flaming people would want to avoid. If his whole post was meant to be some kind of big joke (and I don't see any reason to think it is, considering his past postings, unless all of *those* are jokes too that nobody noticed), then its in poor taste. I wish his toxic presence wouldn't be on Team Liquid anymore
I also take everything This man says to be perfectly serious.
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This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
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On April 19 2014 01:18 Yorbon wrote:
This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
The snark in this post fills me with so much joy!
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On April 18 2014 23:57 Fumanchu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote:
Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect.
You guys must be great to have at parties. I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
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On April 19 2014 01:57 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 23:57 Fumanchu wrote:On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote:
Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect.
You guys must be great to have at parties. I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap. Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does. And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
No need to get your panty in a twist just because people have different opinions to yourself.
He felt that the OP used bullying language. Now you're saying that the OP uses that language outside of his post--suggesting that he has either incorporated that mentality into his psyche or he has normalized his speaking tactics to that of everyday conversation. This suggests that his bullying mentality is something he finds okay both within a blog and outside of a blog; and your need to defend him suggests that you in part agree with him.
Which makes sense why you would lash out at anyone suggesting that the OP is saying something offensive because, in a way, they are saying to you that you yourself are offensive--which you don't believe to be true because you feel like you're just a nice guy.
I'm sure you and the OP both feel you are nice guys, good job for feeling that, I commend you. But you don't get to dictate how others feel about the way you guys act and view the world. If someone was offended by it then it is in their right to be offended.
Also, don't do false equivalencies. He had a problem with the OP redirecting the burden of fault from bullying tactics to that of the victim instead of the perpetrator. A world view he despises due to how it normalizes victim blaming behavior outside of online bullying. Just because he disagrees with the OP does not mean its equivalent to parents talking to you about school.
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^ great post. If one don't know what the OP's post history is like, one can't assume that it's all done to provide comedy. For all I know, he could be raging after having a conversation about this with someone else or having a teammates rage quit or something in a dota game etc... Still, what he wrote isn't anything new lol.
On April 19 2014 01:18 Yorbon wrote:
This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
rofl Yorbon. One of the best posts in this thread XD
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