While munching on that chocolate éclair, please take a moment to consider the title of this post. It’s something that new players have said to me on many, many occasions, or a variation of it anyway, since they think I’m some kind of agony aunt or sympathetic figure. Little do they know, I despise their weakness.
Generally it seems that the idea of playing – and probably losing horribly because you suck – is SO SCARY to some people that they hope to avoid ever having to play Dota. They want to watch it, to understand it, to enjoy it…but PLAY it? Oh no, kind sir, not me! I’d probably be terrible. What if we lost and it was my fault?! What if people flamed me?! What if the sky falls on our heads?! Who the fuck cares? Grow a pair of balls/ovaries and play the fucking game. It’s a game. A GAME. The result of your stupid, pathetic game of Dota will not matter. Nobody will notice. Once it’s finished nobody will care. Valve wisely deletes replays after a while anyway so don’t worry, historians of some future age who will no doubt dissect your fascinating life will never truly understand how you went 0-50 in your first game. And as I said before but just to make it clear – you’re not important enough for anybody on the planet to give a shit about how bad you are at Dota.
I really want to hammer this point home so I am going to say it again: You = worthless human being. Dota = video game. THEREFORE : WHO GIVES A SHIT = NO FUCKER, ANYWHERE.
Were you scared about losing the first time you played snap? Did you tell your opponent “well I need to do some research and really get to grips with this before I go up against a human being, maybe if I built some kind of snap-playing robot and honed my skills first then I’d be ready to challenge you to a casual game with perhaps a 0.5 of a second handicap in my favour since I’m unfamiliar with the game”?
No, you just played it. If you lost you laughed (or cried inwardly) about it and tried again. Or you just decided that snap was and is a SHIT game and the other person was clearly cheating, so fuck you Dave you keep peeking at the card instead of slamming it.
And that was back when games were played face-to-face. There was no anonymity. You were losing versus the worst people in the World to lose a game to – your friends and relatives. Losing a board game to your brothers or sisters is worse than Hell itself because the crowing and gloating never ends. You’ll be reminded of their victory at every opportunity. Your grave stone will include an engraving of your head-to-head record so that everyone will know you never beat your brother at Madden. EVER. Because that time you unplugged his controller and ran in a game-winning 80 yard punt return doesn’t count.
Well now, thanks to clever people wasting their talent on things like games programming and fibre optic communications, you can play with and against people you’ve never met, and WILL never meet in your entire life. They may as well be robots. It’s like the Turing Test for artificial intelligence: if you can have a conversation with the AI and not be able to tell if it’s a human being or a machine, then it’s passed the test. So far, no computer has managed it, but if it makes it easier for you, you could just imagine that you’re playing a bot game you fucking lily-livered coward. And if you don’t like what the nasty people say to hurt your pwecious widdle feelings you can just mute them. Or, you know, just not let the abuse of some kid in Ohio and some kid in Switzerland get to you because it’s meaningless.
In fact, it’s so easy to play and lose with other poor suckers that it astounds me that people are still too scared to do it. What are you actually afraid of? The other people? OR YOURSELF?
Are you afraid that if you melt down your soul into a pool of liquid metal and assay its worth, you’ll be found wanting? Are you scared to place your hand into the tree stump in-case the wood beast stings you like in Flash Gordon? Are you so gutless and cowardly and terrified about losing a stinking VIDEO GAME that you just avoid playing it altogether, never truly discovering your worth as a human being (aka your MMR)?
That’s the truth isn’t it? You can’t stand to lose, so you choose the same copout as the Computer in the movie War Games and just DON’T PLAY. That machine should have nuked the planet and rid us of its horrors.
I think the people who are scared to play are actually scared to fail because they’re such tryhards and so insanely competitive that they choose to avoid failure by dodging the contest altogether.
Make this your new mantra: Failing to win isn’t losing, failing to play is.
It makes NO SENSE at all, but it’s the sort of thing a coach would say to a player who needed a right royal kick up the arse. So get a grip, realise the consequences are inconsequential and for fuck’s sake don’t end up on my team because I will flame you until my tongue bleeds.
I don't want to play not because I'm scared, but because I can't fathom the idea to be bad at a game (understand in the top 2%). I can't invest anymore the time needed to be *good* at the game. As was the case for WC3, SC1, SC2, DOTA...
So, I'm keeping at what I enjoy and own : wow, CS and solo games. It's a kind of fear because I know I'll be bad and I hate that, but not the same. Being bad is just neither fun nor enjoyable for me, so unless I can invest the time and dedication, I'll just not play.
You are trying to apply a logic; proving that human life is insignificant, and therefore concluding that people shouldn't feel so bad the way they do. The problem here is a psychological one however, and I believe can't simply be 'outreasoned'.
Let's take a more serious psychological issue, like a childhood trauma. People who go to the psychiatrist want to get rid of their trauma. Some of them probably also think like you, and say to themselves it is silly to feel the way they do. No matter how much logic they apply, they still feel bad however. The feeling is caused by something more than just our conciousness. What you are saying here is equivalent to telling a patient "GOH, JUST DONT FEEL SO BAD, SILLY"; which obviously solves nothing.
If every psychological problem could be solved with simple self-applied logic, we wouldn't need psychiatrists would we? The issue at hand here is nothing as problematic, but I think my example shows that you can't just 'will all your feelings away'.
And I think it's silly to assume so. I think YOU are the silly one here.
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
On April 17 2014 19:42 []Phase[] wrote: You are trying to apply a logic; proving that human life is insignificant, and therefore concluding that people shouldn't feel so bad the way they do. The problem here is a psychological one however, and I believe can't simply be 'outreasoned'.
Let's take a more serious psychological issue, like a childhood trauma. People who go to the psychiatrist want to get rid of their trauma. Some of them probably also think like you, and say to themselves it is silly to feel the way they do. No matter how much logic they apply, they still feel bad however. The feeling is caused by something more than just our conciousness. What you are saying here is equivalent to telling a patient "GOH, JUST DONT FEEL SO BAD, SILLY"; which obviously solves nothing.
If every psychological problem could be solved with simple self-applied logic, we wouldn't need psychiatrists would we? The issue at hand here is nothing as problematic, but I think my example shows that you can't just 'will all your feelings away'.
And I think it's silly to assume so. I think YOU are the silly one here.
On April 17 2014 19:42 []Phase[] wrote: You are trying to apply a logic; proving that human life is insignificant, and therefore concluding that people shouldn't feel so bad the way they do. The problem here is a psychological one however, and I believe can't simply be 'outreasoned'.
Let's take a more serious psychological issue, like a childhood trauma. People who go to the psychiatrist want to get rid of their trauma. Some of them probably also think like you, and say to themselves it is silly to feel the way they do. No matter how much logic they apply, they still feel bad however. The feeling is caused by something more than just our conciousness. What you are saying here is equivalent to telling a patient "GOH, JUST DONT FEEL SO BAD, SILLY"; which obviously solves nothing.
If every psychological problem could be solved with simple self-applied logic, we wouldn't need psychiatrists would we? The issue at hand here is nothing as problematic, but I think my example shows that you can't just 'will all your feelings away'.
And I think it's silly to assume so. I think YOU are the silly one here.
Well, in fairness to him, its normal to think everyone is like yourself. If you can do something, then everyone can do it (and all that jazz) mentality is something I find very common amongst the people I meet be it racists "everyone should be white like me" or activists "Everyone should be Vegan, just like me" or gamers "everyone should be good at game _____ just like me" etc....
So he isn't acting silly as much as he is acting self-centric.
On April 18 2014 00:11 SpaNiarD wrote: I'm scared of posting here... What people would say about me? Will they point to me everytime everywhere? T_T
We will all buy plane tickets to spain, hire a private investigator and a translator so we can find you and mock you in whatever language would belittle you the most.
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
To each his own. I'm awful at FPS games, and probably always will be. MOBA's are much less about "memorization" than you seem to think, and much more about building your intuition and reflexes, just like FPS. I'm quite certain I would astound you with just how bad someone can be at FPS if you tried to coach me, and it's not a genre I choose to play, or spectate.
You're not who Pyrion is talking about though. He's talking about people that enjoy DotA from the outside, have maybe tried a few bot games, but won't try ranked/vs humans because it's too intimidating. Everyone is a scrub at one time or another, and if your game is easy enough that you're only a scrub for a week - that takes something out of the enjoyment for some people. If you're game is hard enough that you're still a scrub a month after picking it up, then you might as well try DotA!
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
I find I enjoy DotA and its various clones more than I do FPS games. You are right in that FPS games requires you to learn new things to improve. Take CS:GO, the positioning can always improve, reading of opponent can always improve, aim can always improve. Same is true for most FPS and DotA clone games. You can move between different games in the genre and transfer a lot of the same skill set.
Then you get into the nitty gritty details and both rewards that. In CS:GO you might for example remember that aiming at a specific pixel makes a nade land in just that spot or that using the AK and hitting the left arm gives this damage score, with and without armour. These things wary game to game and is what makes one FPS different from another. Other examples include, specific weapon spreads, turn rates, chosen latency, travel time and movement speed by bunny hopping.
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
Why do you even bother posting in a thread about DotA if you clearly hate the genre, rofl. How ridiculous.
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
I find I enjoy DotA and its various clones more than I do FPS games. You are right in that FPS games requires you to learn new things to improve. Take CS:GO, the positioning can always improve, reading of opponent can always improve, aim can always improve. Same is true for most FPS and DotA clone games. You can move between different games in the genre and transfer a lot of the same skill set.
Then you get into the nitty gritty details and both rewards that. In CS:GO you might for example remember that aiming at a specific pixel makes a nade land in just that spot or that using the AK and hitting the left arm gives this damage score, with and without armour. These things wary game to game and is what makes one FPS different from another. Other examples include, specific weapon spreads, turn rates, chosen latency, travel time and movement speed by bunny hopping.
It's funny to watch new players playing competitive games in CSGO because it makes no sense to experienced player for people, even not coordinated, could play like it. Then we remember that we started off like that - largely clueless, with no game sense whatsoever, no idea where to look or how to deal with dead angles and stuff... There's a surprising amount of stuff to know to play CSGO well.
And pro games definitely add a level of complexity to the game. Some of their strategies are really complex and require insane coordination.
I've seen some CSGO players grow in the last years and it's funny how they feel like they're doing terribly and all of a sudden, they get confident because they realize that they've got the basics. Once you figure out the basics and get comfortable with the mechanics, the game gets much more fun to play - even when you lose badly.
I've never honestly played dota, but losing in starcraft makes me feel incredibly retarded and not want to play anymore.
That having said I rock the fucking planet in BF4. The funniest thing I realized, is that I basically always said the same thing to players who suck at it that the OP said.
Point is that it is easy to tell people to man the fuck up in a game (lets be honest though, if its a game you are not "manning" anything) if you are any good or average.
I have a question for PFlax: How long were you playing before you got a group of friends to regularly play with? I think a lot of people just don't like playing by themselves.
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
I have over 2000 games played and I still don't know all of the mechanical nuances of Dota. Can't remember it ever getting in the way of me enjoying the game.
I think the only thing that's important as far as "hidden rules" goes is what does and doesn't penetrate magic immunity
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
That's odd. The game is actually fun from the very start and the fact that there are always new things to learn makes it rewarding in a way that most games nowadays do not even come close to. I would say most games are time-wasters, dota on the other hand is something that you'll get more out of the more time you put into it.
if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
I find I enjoy DotA and its various clones more than I do FPS games. You are right in that FPS games requires you to learn new things to improve. Take CS:GO, the positioning can always improve, reading of opponent can always improve, aim can always improve. Same is true for most FPS and DotA clone games. You can move between different games in the genre and transfer a lot of the same skill set.
Then you get into the nitty gritty details and both rewards that. In CS:GO you might for example remember that aiming at a specific pixel makes a nade land in just that spot or that using the AK and hitting the left arm gives this damage score, with and without armour. These things wary game to game and is what makes one FPS different from another. Other examples include, specific weapon spreads, turn rates, chosen latency, travel time and movement speed by bunny hopping.
This right here is a great post - completely agree!
This is why I only play bot games in LoL and DotA. I dont play the games very often at all, but when Im bored Ill hop into a bot game as an ADC and tear it up.
I think people take games way too seriously in general. Way back in the early days of DotA I don't think anyone ever had any anxiety when they joined a random -apem pros only game on Bnet, and personally I think it's because back then people had a healthy approach to it. The game was about having fun, and that was it. People didn't join those games to practice offlane or whatever. Dota wasn't treated as anything more than a game. But nowadays right off the bat new players are directed to guides that are literally called "welcome to dota, you suck" or a day9 daily telling you "how to be a better gamer". If I go play cs:go in complete shit tier gold nova games, and I try to make a play instead of taking it safe, I get flamed to hell and back. But often I'd like to ask these people, what the fuck does it matter if I don't play the game "properly" or by the book. I'm not trying to imitate the way NiP plays with a bunch of randoms, when I know that I suck and couldn't do it anyway, and also because I want to try new stuff and just have fun. But I guess that's just wrong nowadays. It's all about the Rank or MMR or whatever, and being the next esport hero.
On April 17 2014 21:47 PRJ wrote: i don't play dota because it's poorly designed
i'm sure the game is a blast once you've spent an enormous amount of time memorizing things and learning the arcane rules, but i get more fun out of games that don't have that ridiculous requirement
What is there to memorize? Everything is simple, people just over complicate it for themselves because they're scared of something that looks too intelligent for them.
On April 18 2014 00:44 PRJ wrote: if you spent time on other games, you'd realize there's always something to learn in those, too, without all the nonsense that comes with the moba genre. The only real positive point to mobas is that tons of people play them.
as a longtime comp player of fps games, those types of games can get you the same experience as a moba with a fraction of the boring, obnoxious memorization and the rage and people ruining games and excessive time commitments per game.
What is there to memorize? Everything is simple, people just over complicate it for themselves because they're scared of something that looks too intelligent for them.
It's just a game, learn it like any other.
There is a shit tonne to memorize. But its your muscles doing most of the memorization. Which is something learned by doing, not reading. And that's the problem people have. They want to read a guide, and suddenly be the second coming of Na'Vi.
Its specific to Vgame industry because people believe that they are "smart enough" to know the strategy of a non-physical game. This is because they believe Jocks are Dumb and that they are smart to compensate for their lack of Jock-ness.
When they "study" they want to automatically already have the skillset to execute said strategy. When they realize that they still need the physicality/practice to be able to play even video games (a non-physical sport) then suddenly not only are jocks better than them, but they are not better than jocks.
So, instead of facing their insecurities, they simply run away from the game and say "If I had more _____ I would be a good player."
On April 17 2014 19:42 []Phase[] wrote: You are trying to apply a logic; proving that human life is insignificant, and therefore concluding that people shouldn't feel so bad the way they do. The problem here is a psychological one however, and I believe can't simply be 'outreasoned'.
Let's take a more serious psychological issue, like a childhood trauma. People who go to the psychiatrist want to get rid of their trauma. Some of them probably also think like you, and say to themselves it is silly to feel the way they do. No matter how much logic they apply, they still feel bad however. The feeling is caused by something more than just our conciousness. What you are saying here is equivalent to telling a patient "GOH, JUST DONT FEEL SO BAD, SILLY"; which obviously solves nothing.
If every psychological problem could be solved with simple self-applied logic, we wouldn't need psychiatrists would we? The issue at hand here is nothing as problematic, but I think my example shows that you can't just 'will all your feelings away'.
And I think it's silly to assume so. I think YOU are the silly one here.
The problem with your assessment is that you immediately inject unknown variables into the equation. Obviously, if someone was sexually abused as a child by a man in Pudge cosplay, it would be understandable for them to be anxious about playing DotA online where they will play with/against a Pudge virtually every game. But this is no where near the majority of players. And as someone who has dealt with/continues to deal with no small amount of "ladder anxiety", I'd be hesitant to associate the word "traumatic" with it.
It's also worthy to note that in these kinds of situations a large part of the healing process is often to face and conquer your fears, not run from them.
But we can examine this with a simple analogy. I don't know how old you are, but lets say you're a parent, and you have a child who loves baseball. He never misses a game, he's memorized all the stats, he loves playing catch with you in the backyard, and he's always working on his pop flies, his batting stance, ect. But when Saturday rolls around, he just sits in the stands and watches the other kids play. Maybe he's afraid his practice won't translate into a real game, or that he'll fail, or otherwise make a fool of himself in front of others. Whats the best course of action here? Do you encourage him to conquer his fears, and put all his hard work to use? Or do you placate him; telling him thats its okay to not want to play. That you'll play catch with him whenever he wants, and bring him to the batting cages on Saturdays instead of the ballpark.
Keep in mind I'm not ruling out the possibility that the latter might actually be conceivably better in certain situations. But I think most people would clearly see that helping your child overcome their anxiety and play a game of ball with their friends would be the preferable solution.
Its not fear its stress. When people insult me for not contributing to the team at the level they expect why should I continue to play when I can play other games where I have more experience and co op is more fun and appreciative. People in competitive games like Starcraft and Dota are less welcoming and fun to play with than FPS communities or games like Dark Souls. When I play games like Dota and SC2 people spend most of their time communicating lobbing insults and puffing up their own ego, I don't tolerate people like that in real life among coworkers or family why would I tolerate in my free time with a complete stranger.
The other day I was watching Arteezy streaming and he repeatedly called out another player on his team playing void walker for doing a bad job by insulting him multiple times. The player eventually rage quit and obviously felt like crap for the way he was treated and since Arteezy is a pro the rest of the team felt comfortable piling on the criticism. That environment is not fun for new players and its not something I would waste time with.
Not wanting to subject myself to being treated that way has nothing to do with fear its about enjoying the game I'm playing. I play plenty of hard games and have long sessions of Dark Souls PvP and plenty of other games from racing games to CoD. When I spend my time playing games I do so to have fun and reduce stress in my life. I have nothing to prove to anyone I don't even know who PyrionFlax is much less care how he perceives me. I care about having fun and enjoying what I'm doing. In a game like Dota I don't get that experience so why would I spend my time playing it? I won't I spend my time on games that make my life better not games that gain me the approval of 13 year old boys.
On April 18 2014 10:35 UrsusRex wrote: Its not fear its stress. When people insult me for not contributing to the team at the level they expect why should I continue to play when I can play other games where I have more experience and co op is more fun and appreciative. People in competitive games like Starcraft and Dota are less welcoming and fun to play with than FPS communities or games like Dark Souls. When I play games like Dota and SC2 people spend most of their time communicating lobbing insults and puffing up their own ego, I don't tolerate people like that in real life among coworkers or family why would I tolerate in my free time with a complete stranger.
The other day I was watching Arteezy streaming and he repeatedly called out another player on his team playing void walker for doing a bad job by insulting him multiple times. The player eventually rage quit and obviously felt like crap for the way he was treated and since Arteezy is a pro the rest of the team felt comfortable piling on the criticism. That environment is not fun for new players and its not something I would waste time with.
Not wanting to subject myself to being treated that way has nothing to do with fear its about enjoying the game I'm playing. I play plenty of hard games and have long sessions of Dark Souls PvP and plenty of other games from racing games to CoD. When I spend my time playing games I do so to have fun and reduce stress in my life. I have nothing to prove to anyone I don't even know who PyrionFlax is much less care how he perceives me. I care about having fun and enjoying what I'm doing. In a game like Dota I don't get that experience so why would I spend my time playing it? I won't I spend my time on games that make my life better not games that gain me the approval of 13 year old boys.
Well I don't play DOTA, but on SC2 there is a mute feature, and it's wonderful.
If you have no mute feature, just don't respond AT ALL, this drives trolls CRAZY.
Also, music can pump you up and make you semi-immune to flames.
Lastly, bullies are cowards, and it behooves you to learn how to deal with them, online or offline. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire; to get someone off your back you need to get on theirs, etc.
On April 18 2014 10:35 UrsusRex wrote: Its not fear its stress. When people insult me for not contributing to the team at the level they expect why should I continue to play when I can play other games where I have more experience and co op is more fun and appreciative. People in competitive games like Starcraft and Dota are less welcoming and fun to play with than FPS communities or games like Dark Souls. When I play games like Dota and SC2 people spend most of their time communicating lobbing insults and puffing up their own ego, I don't tolerate people like that in real life among coworkers or family why would I tolerate in my free time with a complete stranger.
The other day I was watching Arteezy streaming and he repeatedly called out another player on his team playing void walker for doing a bad job by insulting him multiple times. The player eventually rage quit and obviously felt like crap for the way he was treated and since Arteezy is a pro the rest of the team felt comfortable piling on the criticism. That environment is not fun for new players and its not something I would waste time with.
Not wanting to subject myself to being treated that way has nothing to do with fear its about enjoying the game I'm playing. I play plenty of hard games and have long sessions of Dark Souls PvP and plenty of other games from racing games to CoD. When I spend my time playing games I do so to have fun and reduce stress in my life. I have nothing to prove to anyone I don't even know who PyrionFlax is much less care how he perceives me. I care about having fun and enjoying what I'm doing. In a game like Dota I don't get that experience so why would I spend my time playing it? I won't I spend my time on games that make my life better not games that gain me the approval of 13 year old boys.
I will certainly concede that DotA has one of the most absolutely toxic communities I've ever been privy to. With most other online games I play, I can count the number of truly vile people I've met on one hand. With DotA, it feels like an all too regular occurrence. My post was more in the defense of not letting your doubts about yourself (or the importance you individually have on the game) hold you back. But if words from strangers persistently effect you in negative ways, then you have no reason to subject yourself to it. The online etiquette of much of DotA's player base is admittedly the largest factor in preventing me from playing it more than I already do.
Everything Pyrion posts is so offensive and illogical, I'm surprised his posts are still featured. I mean really, he's suggesting that if people bully you online because of how you play and it starts to depress you, or if you for any reason feel stressed playing an intense game and it starts making you nervous, then there's clearly something wrong with you and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the same absurd "be a man" nonsense that leads kids to think that its not okay to cry.
If the Dota community is so toxic that it actually provokes fear in people, then no you don't have to play. If the gameplay is intense enough that it provokes anxiety, than some dude on Team Liquid telling you to be a man is not going to fix a deep anxiety issue stemming from the game. Not everyone is the same, some people react more strongly to certain situations than others. And its obviously a very widespread issue that can not be dismissed by obvious arguments. If it were so simple, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago. There is clearly some deeper psychological issues people have when playing dota and the stress it invokes that can not be easily overriden by some guy yelling at you on Team Liquid.
Its ironic that the supposed logical impetus here is really just Pyrion bullying people into thinking that if they don't play Dota2 they're weak-minded or stupid, which is exactly the sort of flaming people would want to avoid. If his whole post was meant to be some kind of big joke (and I don't see any reason to think it is, considering his past postings, unless all of *those* are jokes too that nobody noticed), then its in poor taste. I wish his toxic presence wouldn't be on Team Liquid anymore
Back in Dota 1 when there was no MMR it truly was a horrible experience being a latecomer to the game and joining games on battlenet only to get kerbstomped and flamed by people with thousands of wins under their belts. Now with MMR though it's great being matched with other baddies and every time I lose I know that it will only make future games easier.
Yeah, I really don't like this attitude. I hear it a lot, and it's actually the same reason people don't want to play. People are jerks. There is no reason why someone who doesn't want to get flamed or yelled at (when they want to be having a good time playing a game) should have to "suck it up" or "grow some sexual organs". If you aren't comfortable doing something, don't let anyone pressure you into doing it. There is nothing at all wrong with not enjoying people criticizing you heavily when you are trying to learn/play a game. Not everyone is immune to that kind of stuff, and just because it doesn't bother you personally doesn't mean that you can harass people who it does bother.
I have to disagree. I think if the game is causing people stress and anxiety to the point where they aren't enjoying the experience, then playing it is not the right solution. Also, I don't know where you got the idea that yelling at them to just play it would help lol. As mentioned several times in this thread, I think different people have different tolerance levels and react differently to the same thing. While one person might be ok with being verbally abused, another person might just flip out and rage quit never to play again. As soon as the fun component of a game is gone, playing the game becomes boring and feels like a waste of time. Sounds like you were ranting in your post though and I guess that's expected if you just had a bad experience in dota before writing this lol.
On April 18 2014 05:40 duckmaster wrote: I think people take games way too seriously in general. Way back in the early days of DotA I don't think anyone ever had any anxiety when they joined a random -apem pros only game on Bnet, and personally I think it's because back then people had a healthy approach to it. The game was about having fun, and that was it. People didn't join those games to practice offlane or whatever. Dota wasn't treated as anything more than a game. But nowadays right off the bat new players are directed to guides that are literally called "welcome to dota, you suck" or a day9 daily telling you "how to be a better gamer". If I go play cs:go in complete shit tier gold nova games, and I try to make a play instead of taking it safe, I get flamed to hell and back. But often I'd like to ask these people, what the fuck does it matter if I don't play the game "properly" or by the book. I'm not trying to imitate the way NiP plays with a bunch of randoms, when I know that I suck and couldn't do it anyway, and also because I want to try new stuff and just have fun. But I guess that's just wrong nowadays. It's all about the Rank or MMR or whatever, and being the next esport hero.
Nails and heads. Everything needs to be so competitive nowadays, it really sucks the fun out of playing. Honestly, I don't mind difficulty in games at all. I love games like Dark Souls and Rayman: Legends that really do challenge your reflexes. The thing is, those games aren't competitive. There is no pressure to perform because there is no competitive scene to speak of. You can take all the time you want trying to figure things out, and it makes those games enjoyable even for people who do not have the time to spend four hours a day playing video games and spend even more hours reading guides.
And to the OP: grow some balls? Nah, I'd rather not play games that frustrate me and stress me out. There is no point in that.
Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
On April 18 2014 12:10 radscorpion9 wrote: Everything Pyrion posts is so offensive and illogical, I'm surprised his posts are still featured. I mean really, he's suggesting that if people bully you online because of how you play and it starts to depress you, or if you for any reason feel stressed playing an intense game and it starts making you nervous, then there's clearly something wrong with you and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the same absurd "be a man" nonsense that leads kids to think that its not okay to cry.
If the Dota community is so toxic that it actually provokes fear in people, then no you don't have to play. If the gameplay is intense enough that it provokes anxiety, than some dude on Team Liquid telling you to be a man is not going to fix a deep anxiety issue stemming from the game. Not everyone is the same, some people react more strongly to certain situations than others. And its obviously a very widespread issue that can not be dismissed by obvious arguments. If it were so simple, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago. There is clearly some deeper psychological issues people have when playing dota and the stress it invokes that can not be easily overriden by some guy yelling at you on Team Liquid.
Its ironic that the supposed logical impetus here is really just Pyrion bullying people into thinking that if they don't play Dota2 they're weak-minded or stupid, which is exactly the sort of flaming people would want to avoid. If his whole post was meant to be some kind of big joke (and I don't see any reason to think it is, considering his past postings, unless all of *those* are jokes too that nobody noticed), then its in poor taste. I wish his toxic presence wouldn't be on Team Liquid anymore
Offensive half joking rants are Pyrion's trade, not the biggest fan myself but whatever, don't take a cartoon character's posts personally.
I get flamed even when I did all I could for my team, farmed the most and have the most accrued kills and assists. This game is shit but I enjoy playing it nonentheless
People aren't offended by the OP's writing style. They are simple expressing their disdain for a western culture machismo that belittles those who don't have the same ideals as the concept of the machismo norm. They believe that a person should do what he enjoys and not have to be judged and attacked for not fitting into an idealized paradigm.
This would be true no matter how serious or tongue and cheek the writing style is because they are criticizing the content of his writing and not the word choice of his writing.
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
On April 18 2014 12:10 radscorpion9 wrote: Everything Pyrion posts is so offensive and illogical, I'm surprised his posts are still featured. I mean really, he's suggesting that if people bully you online because of how you play and it starts to depress you, or if you for any reason feel stressed playing an intense game and it starts making you nervous, then there's clearly something wrong with you and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the same absurd "be a man" nonsense that leads kids to think that its not okay to cry.
If the Dota community is so toxic that it actually provokes fear in people, then no you don't have to play. If the gameplay is intense enough that it provokes anxiety, than some dude on Team Liquid telling you to be a man is not going to fix a deep anxiety issue stemming from the game. Not everyone is the same, some people react more strongly to certain situations than others. And its obviously a very widespread issue that can not be dismissed by obvious arguments. If it were so simple, these problems would have been dealt with a long time ago. There is clearly some deeper psychological issues people have when playing dota and the stress it invokes that can not be easily overriden by some guy yelling at you on Team Liquid.
Its ironic that the supposed logical impetus here is really just Pyrion bullying people into thinking that if they don't play Dota2 they're weak-minded or stupid, which is exactly the sort of flaming people would want to avoid. If his whole post was meant to be some kind of big joke (and I don't see any reason to think it is, considering his past postings, unless all of *those* are jokes too that nobody noticed), then its in poor taste. I wish his toxic presence wouldn't be on Team Liquid anymore
I also take everything This man says to be perfectly serious.
This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
On April 19 2014 01:18 Yorbon wrote: This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
No need to get your panty in a twist just because people have different opinions to yourself.
He felt that the OP used bullying language. Now you're saying that the OP uses that language outside of his post--suggesting that he has either incorporated that mentality into his psyche or he has normalized his speaking tactics to that of everyday conversation. This suggests that his bullying mentality is something he finds okay both within a blog and outside of a blog; and your need to defend him suggests that you in part agree with him.
Which makes sense why you would lash out at anyone suggesting that the OP is saying something offensive because, in a way, they are saying to you that you yourself are offensive--which you don't believe to be true because you feel like you're just a nice guy.
I'm sure you and the OP both feel you are nice guys, good job for feeling that, I commend you. But you don't get to dictate how others feel about the way you guys act and view the world. If someone was offended by it then it is in their right to be offended.
Also, don't do false equivalencies. He had a problem with the OP redirecting the burden of fault from bullying tactics to that of the victim instead of the perpetrator. A world view he despises due to how it normalizes victim blaming behavior outside of online bullying. Just because he disagrees with the OP does not mean its equivalent to parents talking to you about school.
^ great post. If one don't know what the OP's post history is like, one can't assume that it's all done to provide comedy. For all I know, he could be raging after having a conversation about this with someone else or having a teammates rage quit or something in a dota game etc... Still, what he wrote isn't anything new lol.
On April 19 2014 01:18 Yorbon wrote: This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
rofl Yorbon. One of the best posts in this thread XD
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
No need to get your panty in a twist just because people have different opinions to yourself.
He felt that the OP used bullying language. Now you're saying that the OP uses that language outside of his post--suggesting that he has either incorporated that mentality into his psyche or he has normalized his speaking tactics to that of everyday conversation. This suggests that his bullying mentality is something he finds okay both within a blog and outside of a blog; and your need to defend him suggests that you in part agree with him.
Which makes sense why you would lash out at anyone suggesting that the OP is saying something offensive because, in a way, they are saying to you that you yourself are offensive--which you don't believe to be true because you feel like you're just a nice guy.
I'm sure you and the OP both feel you are nice guys, good job for feeling that, I commend you. But you don't get to dictate how others feel about the way you guys act and view the world. If someone was offended by it then it is in their right to be offended.
Also, don't do false equivalencies. He had a problem with the OP redirecting the burden of fault from bullying tactics to that of the victim instead of the perpetrator. A world view he despises due to how it normalizes victim blaming behavior outside of online bullying. Just because he disagrees with the OP does not mean its equivalent to parents talking to you about school.
Going into a Pflax thread not expecting this sort of content and then getting personally affronted by it is like watching Dave Chappelle and getting mad there's racial humour. We'll be sure to put appropriate trigger warnings into all our posts next time so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities. Please tag all of your future posts though because I was a victim of theft and your username offends me. And really, distorting his message into some weird pro-bullying campaign when it literally just boils down to "it's a video game, who gives a fuck" just seems like you're actively going out of your way to be offended, which is what annoys me, not your weird armchair psychology about me being a nice guy or whatever. Seriously we get it, you're trying to be the belittling intellectual trying to school the lesser minds in some patronizing way, it's very impressive and we're all proud of you.
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
No need to get your panty in a twist just because people have different opinions to yourself.
He felt that the OP used bullying language. Now you're saying that the OP uses that language outside of his post--suggesting that he has either incorporated that mentality into his psyche or he has normalized his speaking tactics to that of everyday conversation. This suggests that his bullying mentality is something he finds okay both within a blog and outside of a blog; and your need to defend him suggests that you in part agree with him.
Which makes sense why you would lash out at anyone suggesting that the OP is saying something offensive because, in a way, they are saying to you that you yourself are offensive--which you don't believe to be true because you feel like you're just a nice guy.
I'm sure you and the OP both feel you are nice guys, good job for feeling that, I commend you. But you don't get to dictate how others feel about the way you guys act and view the world. If someone was offended by it then it is in their right to be offended.
Also, don't do false equivalencies. He had a problem with the OP redirecting the burden of fault from bullying tactics to that of the victim instead of the perpetrator. A world view he despises due to how it normalizes victim blaming behavior outside of online bullying. Just because he disagrees with the OP does not mean its equivalent to parents talking to you about school.
Going into a Pflax thread not expecting this sort of content and then getting personally affronted by it is like watching Dave Chappelle and getting mad there's racial humour. We'll be sure to put appropriate trigger warnings into all our posts next time so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities. Please tag all of your future posts though because I was a victim of theft and your username offends me. And really, distorting his message into some weird pro-bullying campaign when it literally just boils down to "it's a video game, who gives a fuck" just seems like you're actively going out of your way to be offended, which is what annoys me, not your weird armchair psychology about me being a nice guy or whatever. Seriously we get it, you're trying to be the belittling intellectual trying to school the lesser minds in some patronizing way, it's very impressive and we're all proud of you.
Here is my first post in this thread. Its even on page one.
On April 17 2014 19:42 []Phase[] wrote: You are trying to apply a logic; proving that human life is insignificant, and therefore concluding that people shouldn't feel so bad the way they do. The problem here is a psychological one however, and I believe can't simply be 'outreasoned'.
Let's take a more serious psychological issue, like a childhood trauma. People who go to the psychiatrist want to get rid of their trauma. Some of them probably also think like you, and say to themselves it is silly to feel the way they do. No matter how much logic they apply, they still feel bad however. The feeling is caused by something more than just our conciousness. What you are saying here is equivalent to telling a patient "GOH, JUST DONT FEEL SO BAD, SILLY"; which obviously solves nothing.
If every psychological problem could be solved with simple self-applied logic, we wouldn't need psychiatrists would we? The issue at hand here is nothing as problematic, but I think my example shows that you can't just 'will all your feelings away'.
And I think it's silly to assume so. I think YOU are the silly one here.
Well, in fairness to him, its normal to think everyone is like yourself. If you can do something, then everyone can do it (and all that jazz) mentality is something I find very common amongst the people I meet be it racists "everyone should be white like me" or activists "Everyone should be Vegan, just like me" or gamers "everyone should be good at game _____ just like me" etc....
So he isn't acting silly as much as he is acting self-centric.
Where I defend the OP from someone trying to brand his post silly and inaccurate psychotherapy. It is then followed by my 2nd post in this thread where I jokingly tell someone that we will mock him for not being good at games.
My personal opinion of this post is that it is funny. Which is why I defended it and even played along with it.
However, my thinking it is funny does not make it stop being offensive. And someone being offended by it is the whole reason you find the OP funny to begin with. Because you think "oh my, he's a bad ass for using foul language" because you are part of the social group that fetishes forbidden acts so long as those acts are non-committal and requires very little energy for you to do (for example, foul language and making fun of people through the internet).
The reason I responded the way I did to you is because I am tired of people who are actually offended by something to be immediately stifled by people who feel guilty that something they enjoy might not be enjoyed by everyone. Someone got offended, that's what happens when you use offensive language and tropes and is the whole point why the OP writes and talks the way he does--it gives him a feeling of satisfaction to get reactions out of people and its easier to do that by being brash than by being charismatic. It is not an attack on your morals and character for someone to be offended by the OP, there really is no reason for you to get upset. If the OP did not want people to get offended, he would have written in a way as to not be offensive.
On April 19 2014 02:41 RockIronrod wrote: Going into a Pflax thread not expecting this sort of content and then getting personally affronted by it is like watching Dave Chappelle and getting mad there's racial humor.
At first I was like "yeah, why would people be afraid to play? it's just a game"
On April 17 2014 17:04 PyrionFlax wrote: So get a grip, realise the consequences are inconsequential and for fuck’s sake don’t end up on my team because I will flame you until my tongue bleeds.
Then I was like "oh it's because of batshit lunies like you."
On April 19 2014 02:41 RockIronrod wrote: Going into a Pflax thread not expecting this sort of content and then getting personally affronted by it is like watching Dave Chappelle and getting mad there's racial humor.
Perfect analogy.
Also ftfy.
If we are going to bring up Dave Chappelle, at least know what his opinions are about how his comedy is understood.
On April 17 2014 19:42 []Phase[] wrote: You are trying to apply a logic; proving that human life is insignificant, and therefore concluding that people shouldn't feel so bad the way they do. The problem here is a psychological one however, and I believe can't simply be 'outreasoned'.
Let's take a more serious psychological issue, like a childhood trauma. People who go to the psychiatrist want to get rid of their trauma. Some of them probably also think like you, and say to themselves it is silly to feel the way they do. No matter how much logic they apply, they still feel bad however. The feeling is caused by something more than just our conciousness. What you are saying here is equivalent to telling a patient "GOH, JUST DONT FEEL SO BAD, SILLY"; which obviously solves nothing.
If every psychological problem could be solved with simple self-applied logic, we wouldn't need psychiatrists would we? The issue at hand here is nothing as problematic, but I think my example shows that you can't just 'will all your feelings away'.
And I think it's silly to assume so. I think YOU are the silly one here.
Lol. You are a joke. Come back after you've crossed 25 and read ur messag. Then ull realise what a pompous ass you sound like!
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
No need to get your panty in a twist just because people have different opinions to yourself.
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
No need to get your panty in a twist just because people have different opinions to yourself.
I find such bullying language offensive.
Yes, its bullying language. As you should have seen on my second post in this thread--I enjoy using bullying language. I specifically said that I would get a group of people to buy plane tickets to another country to mock a poster. All in jest, of course, since that is what the OP was about. But it was still offensive language just like phrases such as this is offensive language.
On April 19 2014 01:18 Yorbon wrote: This man's brilliant; he isnt afraid to throw his bad blogs into the world. You know, failing to write a good blog isn't losing, not posting any blogs is! Well, pyrion, I fully support your path of getting better!
LOL omg this was ridiculously hilarious, thank you for this post. It's got good points too and I think sometimes people might just not understand why they are scared of something or try to avoid doing something, but after thinking it through they may go through some epiphanies.
I tell a lot of my student this as they tell me and look so impressed at their level 90000 prestige they got onCOD, i say, none will ever care at any point or even EVER that you got this. good job.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you people lol? It's nice to have some kind of reposte to the endless 'ladder anxiety' thread. So godamn sick of the over-analysing and pseudo-psychology that goes around it, and it's a relatively recent phenomenon.
Yeah flaming sucks and can make games less enjoyable for sure, but I figured it was more aimed at those who just sit around pontificating about games and giving their 50 cents whilst never ever playing the games for a variety of these issues.
On April 18 2014 10:43 guN-viCe wrote: Losing is how you get better!!!!!
So true.
Though, some people don't want to get better and it's fine if they don't want to play against other people. It's a decision of what you want off of a game and it's one you do for yourself.
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
It isn't really all that comedic if you have to explain that its a joke, which I'd say more than half the people in here have failed to understand. Personally, I didn't find it funny. Assuming it is intended to be a joke, not only is it in really bad taste, he needs to work on his delivery
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
It isn't really all that comedic if you have to explain that its a joke, which I'd say more than half the people in here have failed to understand. Personally, I didn't find it funny. Assuming it is intended to be a joke, not only is it in really bad taste, he needs to work on his delivery
So if someone doesn't get a joke, that means it isn't funny? I mean, this is the essence of satire. When Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal, much of England took it seriously. Does that mean it wasn't comedic?
On April 18 2014 17:13 RockIronrod wrote: Pyrion makes a "calm down it's just a video game" post in his typical hyperbolic, overly machismo, comedic manner and then everyone gets infuriated because "what if they have anxiety problems :<<<<<" or "oh no you're LITERALLY enabling bullying" or somehow getting "if you don't play dota u a straight bitch" out of it when it's clearly pointed at people who want to play but are intimidated by the multiplayer aspect. You guys must be great to have at parties.
I'd rather hang out with a bunch of guys who aren't afraid to share their opinions, then some guy who adds nothing to a conversation besides some analytical recap.
Because clearly, pointing out that people are taking a comedic blog from a guy mainly known for over the top dick jokes way too personally and seriously doesn't contribute anything to a conversation about that blog, but your post that is about my post and how it doesn't contribute anything does.
And Jesus Christ guys, if this is how bitchy you all get when some dude tells you to play games if you want to play them because who gives a fuck what some random internet denizen a world away says about you when you fuck up, I'd hate to see the tantrum you threw when your parents told you to just be yourself at school.
It isn't really all that comedic if you have to explain that its a joke, which I'd say more than half the people in here have failed to understand. Personally, I didn't find it funny. Assuming it is intended to be a joke, not only is it in really bad taste, he needs to work on his delivery
So if someone doesn't get a joke, that means it isn't funny? I mean, this is the essence of satire. When Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal, much of England took it seriously. Does that mean it wasn't comedic?
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Inversely, just because you think it was funny doesn't mean its a joke.
Also, just because its a joke, doesn't mean it is automatically funny.
Just because its a joke, doesn't mean its not offensive.
Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not a joke. Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't funny. This kind of circular reasoning isn't really useful. It's all subjective anyways, I guess.
On April 21 2014 15:56 erin[go]bragh wrote: Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not a joke. Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't funny. This kind of circular reasoning isn't really useful. It's all subjective anyways, I guess.
Yes, it is very much subjective. Which was why your comment was ridiculously silly.
On April 22 2014 01:16 Frappucino wrote: Some people aren't motivated by competitiveness, completely normal. That's why in MMORPG PVP area is often separated from usual gameplay
In early WoL, PvP was also separate from "usual" gameplay
On April 22 2014 01:16 Frappucino wrote: Some people aren't motivated by competitiveness, completely normal. That's why in MMORPG PVP area is often separated from usual gameplay
In early WoL, PvP was also separate from "usual" gameplay
Dunno about WoL. But that's why there are AI-opponent and campaign, separated from Battlenet for those who don't want to play another player.
Which reminds me, lack of LAN in SC2 can be a problem for those who prefer to play friends. It's a good starting point to build confidence to play other people.
On April 21 2014 15:56 erin[go]bragh wrote: Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not a joke. Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't funny. This kind of circular reasoning isn't really useful. It's all subjective anyways, I guess.
Yes, it is very much subjective. Which was why your comment was ridiculously silly.
And saying something isn't comedic because they didn't get the joke isn't silly?
On April 21 2014 15:56 erin[go]bragh wrote: Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not a joke. Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't funny. This kind of circular reasoning isn't really useful. It's all subjective anyways, I guess.
Yes, it is very much subjective. Which was why your comment was ridiculously silly.
And saying something isn't comedic because they didn't get the joke isn't silly?
Being that he said "It isn't really all that comedic " and not "It's not comedic" then I don't really get your point?
He thinks its not that funny and understands why people found it offensive, you reply by telling him to shut up.
On April 19 2014 02:41 RockIronrod wrote: Going into a Pflax thread not expecting this sort of content and then getting personally affronted by it is like watching Dave Chappelle and getting mad there's racial humor.
On April 22 2014 01:16 Frappucino wrote: Some people aren't motivated by competitiveness, completely normal. That's why in MMORPG PVP area is often separated from usual gameplay
In early WoL, PvP was also separate from "usual" gameplay
Dunno about WoL. But that's why there are AI-opponent and campaign, separated from Battlenet for those who don't want to play another player.
Which reminds me, lack of LAN in SC2 can be a problem for those who prefer to play friends. It's a good starting point to build confidence to play other people.
Playing with friends, provided you know their account, isn't really a problem once you have internet, right?
Honestly, people aren't scared as much of losing to the other team as they are being abused by their team for it. I mean one can only take so much verbal abuse before it gets to them. People like me who grew up glued to the computer playing online games and getting in internet arguments have much thicker skin than the average person, but we can still get got eventually.
I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to play these games online.
This is great! Also I heave learned that with the Dota community you are less likely to be flamed as in other communities **cough League of Legends cough**. I sucked a played Anti Mage my first like 10 games and died all the time and didn't farm and only got flamed a few times. But through those horrible games I learned how to play and got better. SO go out and play some Dota! Pick Ember Spirit or Slark and have everyone rage at you.
On April 21 2014 15:56 erin[go]bragh wrote: Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not a joke. Just because it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't funny. This kind of circular reasoning isn't really useful. It's all subjective anyways, I guess.
Yes, it is very much subjective. Which was why your comment was ridiculously silly.
And saying something isn't comedic because they didn't get the joke isn't silly?
Being that he said "It isn't really all that comedic " and not "It's not comedic" then I don't really get your point?
He thinks its not that funny and understands why people found it offensive, you reply by telling him to shut up.
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On topic, I have nothing to add other than that I take offense to despising weakness. The greatest man was not always great, but nursed and was weaned just like you are. If people are soliciting you for support and you're accepting, be generous and compassionate in their weakness. You never know when your livelihood could dry up and you find yourself dependent on someone else kindness
On April 25 2014 23:55 Schelim wrote: man, fuck Dave. well-written though and i agree. i don't really understand "ladder anxiety" although i admittedly felt it as well about a decade ago.
Ladder Anxiety is just another phrase for "breaking under pressure." Some people get nervous when asking girls out on dates, others get nervous when defusing a bomb, others get nervous when in a competitive environment be it videogames, sports, or acadeca.
On April 25 2014 23:55 Schelim wrote: man, fuck Dave. well-written though and i agree. i don't really understand "ladder anxiety" although i admittedly felt it as well about a decade ago.
Ladder Anxiety is just another phrase for "breaking under pressure." Some people get nervous when asking girls out on dates, others get nervous when defusing a bomb, others get nervous when in a competitive environment be it videogames, sports, or acadeca.
To each their own.
What makes you break under pressure? I think it would help others to understand if you mentioned something that makes you nervous, such as, for example, "I get nervous when I go to a Vietnamese restaurant, and when I ask what the 'special' is, they just say that it's secret."
On April 25 2014 23:55 Schelim wrote: man, fuck Dave. well-written though and i agree. i don't really understand "ladder anxiety" although i admittedly felt it as well about a decade ago.
Ladder Anxiety is just another phrase for "breaking under pressure." Some people get nervous when asking girls out on dates, others get nervous when defusing a bomb, others get nervous when in a competitive environment be it videogames, sports, or acadeca.
To each their own.
What makes you break under pressure? I think it would help others to understand if you mentioned something that makes you nervous, such as, for example, "I get nervous when I go to a Vietnamese restaurant, and when I ask what the 'special' is, they just say that it's secret."
I don't really suffer from ladder anxiety since I know that the online ladder guarantees I win half the time. But that doesn't mean people don't feel pressured by competitive atmospheres.
haha, i am exactly the opposite. I am too scare to play against anonymous people. I always love to play against/with "known" people (friends or lan), even if I never played a game, I just join the game and play! anonymous?! no way.
I think the people who are scared to play are actually scared to fail because they’re such tryhards and so insanely competitive that they choose to avoid failure by dodging the contest altogether.
Thats basically my life. I play Dota almost every day, and my friends says I give up as soon as we fall behind. Truth is, I prefer to get a loss right away than considering the chance to fight for the slight chance of winning, and still lose.
It ends up being a pain for my friends, as I tend to give up as soon as we lose a set of barracks, and since most of the time I play position 1, we end up losing when I stop trying.
On April 22 2014 01:16 Frappucino wrote: Some people aren't motivated by competitiveness, completely normal. That's why in MMORPG PVP area is often separated from usual gameplay
In early WoL, PvP was also separate from "usual" gameplay
Dunno about WoL. But that's why there are AI-opponent and campaign, separated from Battlenet for those who don't want to play another player.
Which reminds me, lack of LAN in SC2 can be a problem for those who prefer to play friends. It's a good starting point to build confidence to play other people.
I think he was making a joke about WoL's PvP being about 4-Gate vs 4-Gate every game. If you don't play SC2, think about a mirror matchup where everyone did the same build everytime, and the fastest player won.
For some people it's probably a comfort zone issue. They're not comfortable losing because they view themselves as "good at video games" and they don't want that taken away from their ego by losing in a competitive game.
For others it might be a time / commitment issue (actually I think lots of people have trouble with commitment), where they are more interested in the game itself and watching the scene / meta unfold rather than actually taking part in the playing of the game. Some people think it's a waste of time. If they aren't gonna go pro, then why bother playing competitively? But that's folly, because games are fun, it's fun to compete even if you suck, because you will still improve a tiny bit every time hopefully. And the progression aspect is what draws me to bw.
If you're feeling scared/pressured, just queue AR. No reason to worry yourself with picking a hero, games go full retard 95% of the time anyway and are more fun.
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