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On December 31 2013 06:31 BigFan wrote:Decent read. I think templar flanks have been a thing since Rain started to include them in his play. Parting started incorporating them after that and now we see them more and more. It's quite powerful if done right as can be seen. Too bad Flash lost though, was hoping he'll win lol but Sora played great as well 
Lol, didn't parting 'invent' it like back in s1/s2 2012? When all the tosses with (for once) glorious runs were all cheesed out by mvp?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:14 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 06:31 BigFan wrote:Decent read. I think templar flanks have been a thing since Rain started to include them in his play. Parting started incorporating them after that and now we see them more and more. It's quite powerful if done right as can be seen. Too bad Flash lost though, was hoping he'll win lol but Sora played great as well Lol, didn't parting 'invent' it like back in s1/s2 2012? When all the tosses with (for once) glorious runs were all cheesed out by mvp?
Yea HT flanks have been around for a long long time.
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sora looks like the baby of forgg and mind
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TLADT24920 Posts
On December 31 2013 06:42 Wintex wrote:Haha, great read!~ Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 06:31 BigFan wrote:Decent read. I think templar flanks have been a thing since Rain started to include them in his play. Parting started incorporating them after that and now we see them more and more. It's quite powerful if done right as can be seen. Too bad Flash lost though, was hoping he'll win lol but Sora played great as well PartinG was the first to heavily use them and has basically always done it (since his PvT rise in WoL). Rain restarted the trend.
On December 31 2013 11:14 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 06:31 BigFan wrote:Decent read. I think templar flanks have been a thing since Rain started to include them in his play. Parting started incorporating them after that and now we see them more and more. It's quite powerful if done right as can be seen. Too bad Flash lost though, was hoping he'll win lol but Sora played great as well Lol, didn't parting 'invent' it like back in s1/s2 2012? When all the tosses with (for once) glorious runs were all cheesed out by mvp?
good points, I dunno lol. I missed a portion of WoL and missed most of Parting's games back then and Rain was the first one I saw that was heavily using them to great effect especially when he beat Taeja 3-1 before losing 3-2 to mvp.
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Sora actually gives a good ceremony by drinking the whole (seemingly) juice bottle in one take
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On December 31 2013 07:08 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 07:01 Dingodile wrote:
I am sorry, I didnt read it but I like to hear why many people liked this match? I found it pretty boring. Too much just running around the map without doing damage, several times just ~15 range away from opponents army and several try's to catch a fight and cancelled, then finally one fight is happened.
I just dont like to see that both have ~200 supply and still just running around the map ~15min long.
I know that this is a huge design problem in TvP. The worry is just to big to lose a army within 2sec on both side. People liked it because it was exciting. The walking-in-circles is a byproduct of positional play (which is what super late-game PvT ultimately becomes) and I find it quite tense. I was essentially biting my nails at several points because I felt like Sora was about to overextend. Saying that the game was decided by a single fight is both right and wrong as well, both players made great plays and bad mistakes in the match and they stayed at each other's throats pretty constantly for most of the game, with Flash having to constantly deal with Sora's zealot hitsquads and Sora having to stay on his toes to not lose most of his production (ahem) to drops. The double feedback defense against Flash's drops made my jaw drop, and it was those kind of moments that made me want to write this. And I'd also appreciate it if you read what it is you're commenting before doing so in the future, thanks.
I think one of the things that caused so much dancing around was the map has a lot of chokes. Flash simply couldn't engage through chokes. But Sora was also afraid walk into chokes vs spread bio and vikings using air space from the north to snipe the vikings.
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Someone should spotlight this, it is really well done.
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On December 31 2013 10:59 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 10:02 stuchiu wrote:On December 31 2013 08:51 Zealously wrote:
Not a bad idea at all actually Only hate him cause casters keep changing reality to make him seem better than he is. Then you should hate the casters not Flash. This is displacement.
most anti flash fans dislike Flash because of his fans and not because of Flash himself XD
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great read. Thanks for the writeup.
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On December 31 2013 07:37 Dingodile wrote:
I would have read your article if I didnt watch the game. This is the first time that I post something before reading stuff :D
I understand the problem between us. You listed all things what happened outside of the main-fight or direct fight (direct means army vs army). Yes I agree that they were great to see. Even after Flash killed 4th and 3rd Base, there was no direct fight, Flash just went back to home.
Can you see in my post that I only talked about the main-fight?
edit: looks like you dont like main-fight too like me. Stuff outside it were greater.
It's like the Art Of War by Sun Tzu. When all the positioning was done, the player with the better positioning will always win (both unit positioning and the players' mental state positioning). The battle is just the conclusion of formalities.
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United States7483 Posts
On December 31 2013 07:08 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 07:01 Dingodile wrote:
I am sorry, I didnt read it but I like to hear why many people liked this match? I found it pretty boring. Too much just running around the map without doing damage, several times just ~15 range away from opponents army and several try's to catch a fight and cancelled, then finally one fight is happened.
I just dont like to see that both have ~200 supply and still just running around the map ~15min long.
I know that this is a huge design problem in TvP. The worry is just to big to lose a army within 2sec on both side. People liked it because it was exciting. The walking-in-circles is a byproduct of positional play (which is what super late-game PvT ultimately becomes) and I find it quite tense. I was essentially biting my nails at several points because I felt like Sora was about to overextend. Saying that the game was decided by a single fight is both right and wrong as well, both players made great plays and bad mistakes in the match and they stayed at each other's throats pretty constantly for most of the game, with Flash having to constantly deal with Sora's zealot hitsquads and Sora having to stay on his toes to not lose most of his production (ahem) to drops. The double feedback defense against Flash's drops made my jaw drop, and it was those kind of moments that made me want to write this. And I'd also appreciate it if you read what it is you're commenting before doing so in the future, thanks.
The jockeying for position is basically the sort of thing that only really properly occurs at the highest levels of play. Both players understand perfectly well that a slightly worse than great engagement could lose them the game, so they move around trying to find a great angle and zone out the enemy. This is always very interesting and exciting. If you only watch starcraft for the fights, you aren't appreciating the actual strategy of the game very much.
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United States9941 Posts
On December 31 2013 05:48 Bagration wrote:
Well done Sora. Not everyday where we see everyone on KT win EXCEPT Flash
flash wins: kt loses.
flash loses: kt wins.
its actually funny how often this actually happens xD
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your Country52797 Posts
On January 01 2014 02:12 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2013 05:48 Bagration wrote:
Well done Sora. Not everyday where we see everyone on KT win EXCEPT Flash flash wins: kt loses. flash loses: kt wins. its actually funny how often this actually happens xD
Does that mean you'll become a KT anti-fan?
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United States97274 Posts
I knew I wasn't wrong when I picked Sora for FPL!
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On December 31 2013 10:02 stuchiu wrote:Only hate him cause casters keep changing reality to make him seem better than he is.
Kinda like what TL PR writers have been doing for the last year of BW.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I'll never forget that the last BW power rank ended with "I expect Flash to be on top next time" woops no sorry no more PR haha Flash #2
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Sora MY NEW FAV KOREAN PROTOSS
Sora HWAITING
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