• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:35
CEST 10:35
KST 17:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Rollback Netcode in Brood War435.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202621Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)78
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War [ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror TL Sidebar missing streams Bot on ladder Repalyzer - replay analysis app for StarCraft: Rem
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9792 users

Dev Diary - The Art of Dying #3: Enemies

Blogs > NihiLStarcraft
Post a Reply
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 21:20:27
October 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#1
Hello there, dear reader!

Previous blogs:

Dev Diary - The Art of Dying #1: Movement
Dev Diary - The Art of Dying #2: Attacking

I'm a Computer Science student focusing on Game Programming and Design and, in my free time, I happen to work on a little platform game. I record short videos that focus on particular aspects of the game, this one is about enemies. Please take a look:





As always, let me talk about what I touch upon in the video in a bit more detail here:

I think that a very common problem for a lot of new game designers, when they make a platformer (or similar) game and start thinking about what enemies to put in, is that they may put too much emphasis on realism. Of course, it depends. If your entire goal is to make some sort of realism/simulation game, then things are quite different - but then it's unlikely that you're designing a platformer. Instead of thinking about what enemies would realistically be in whatever level you're making, think about enemy roles!

Once again, this is a concept that we can also find in our beloved game, Starcraft. Notice how Blizzard does not shower us with a ton of units, because their roles would overlap. A lot of C&C games aren't like that for example, they have a huge amount of units, a lot of them with the same role. I much prefer Starcraft's approach here, obviously, and I think it's just much, much better design. In fact, Blizzard has removed units (or tried to *hrm*Carrier*hrrrm*) because of this role overlap.

So, I followed the Starcraft lead here and came up with some enemy roles: I wanted an enemy that attacks you from above (Bird), I wanted an enemy that attacks you from the sides (Wall Turret, Guard) and one that attacks you from underneath (not presented in the video) for example. But wait? Don't we have overlap with the Wall Turret and Guard? They both shoot horizontally! Yes - but everything else about them is completely different. The Guard walks left and right (ie. horizontal movement), the turret slides up and down (vertical), the Guard can also aim 45 degrees up, the Turret is fixed. The Guard has no pre-attack delay and doesn't telegraph its attacks, the Turret gives you a second to react and does telegraph where it's going to shoot next. The Guard moves slowly, the Turret is fast. What I am trying to say here is, while following the one-role design philosophy, you also don't want to overdo it. If you go too strict on yourself, you can end up with a game that's simply too clinical. So, don't misunderstand me, do not make a table with unit roles on the left and enemies that fill these on the right. That is overdoing it! Just understand the unit-role idea as an approach, a way to get your creative juices going. A starting point. If you have a really, really cool idea, don't scrap it because of overlap. Adapt it or whatever is overlapping with it in other ways. Keep in mind that there's a LOT you can do with enemies in platformers: they can be invulnerable while they're not shooting (HellBot) for example, they could also go (almost) invisible while moving, they can shoot in all kinds of patterns (sine curves, homing missiles, arcs, cardinal directions etc.), maybe they jump out of water, or they can fly, maybe they blow up when they die and deal splash damage etc. The possibilities are endless.

Please let me know what you think about the video/game and let's discuss some platformer enemies maybe!

Cheers,

NihiL

*****
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
October 30 2013 00:40 GMT
#2
After watching/reading your first 3 diaries i feel like your ideas and concepts look quite good, when looking at them isolated.
But do they work together?
Especially since you decided it should be a melee combat game featuring some special moves. But then you add very quick and dashy controls. And now all types of enemies seem to be ranged shooters. Imho this does not fit together. You are losing the most interesting aspect of a melee combat focused game that way.
I know it is super hard to make an interesting and challenging melee combat (with both sides using melee), especially when trying to have very quick basic movement. (Most fighting games use quite slow basic movement, but super precise ( =fast) combos for special moves) But still, it feels odd the way you have it right now. But maybe that is also a false impression, it's up to you
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
October 30 2013 11:58 GMT
#3
Hm, I see what you're saying but I'm not sure I see the problem. You are limited to melee-range, sure, but it's not a fighting game whatsoever! The three-hit combo is purely cosmetic, maybe I should have made that clearer. And games like Rogue Legacy, the Castlevania series, Ninja Gaiden etc. all had you limited to sword fighting while enemies would shoot at you, they all allowed quick movement, double jumping or wall jumping etc. - I really liked all those games and they inspired me to make this, so I'm not convinced that there's any problems!

Thanks for the constructive criticism and please elaborate if I misunderstood you!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Free 1003
Soulkey 254
Soma 213
Larva 141
Mind 70
ZerO 43
soO 27
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
scan(afreeca) 13
League of Legends
JimRising 579
Counter-Strike
edward364
Other Games
summit1g8298
singsing1222
Coldzera 682
WinterStarcraft681
Sick213
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick743
BasetradeTV234
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 17
• LUISG 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2228
League of Legends
• Jankos1576
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 25m
Rex vs INexorable
GgMaChine vs HeRoMaRinE
Reynor vs herO
Online Event
3h 25m
AI Arena Tournament
8h 25m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
10h 25m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 1h
Patches Events
1d 6h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 10h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 10h
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
Online Event
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs Soulkey
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.