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On August 26 2013 21:55 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 16:49 Mafe wrote:On August 25 2013 00:37 GeckoXp wrote:On August 24 2013 18:43 Skilledblob wrote:
pogo party :D
or was it APPD? It's Partei für Arbeit, Rechtsstaat, Tierschutz, Elitenförderung und basisdemokratische Initiative. Sadly the best choice for september. No those are 2 different parties: APPD; DIE PARTEII'm still kinda undecided who to vote for. The "wahl-o-mat" (an online-tool to compare the positions of different parties) always gives me agreement-ratings that are usually between 55% and 65% for all major parties (though most of the time SPD/Left party/greens are higher and FDP lowest), and that's about how I feel. I don't feel good about voting for any big party; even though in case of the left-leaning parties I mentioned it's normally their style of politics/behavior/party-leaders that annoy me much more than their actual politics. So I'm probably going to vote for the pirate party, because I feel that their topics and their principle to get "normal people"/party members more involved would be something good for germany in general to talk more about. On the bright side, as I don't care too much about the results and there isn't too much tension about what could happen anyway, this is probably a good time to register a "Wahlhelfer", somebody who helps in organizing the election/counting votes etc. Last time I checked, my city still needed some of them. I do know these are two different parties, I simply wasn't sure what "party" meant in the context and thought he referred to Sonneborn (which obviously is a way funnier project than APPD). On a sidenote, if you're not in Bavaria (Landtagswahlen & Volksentscheide), the wahl-o-mat still won't work and doesn't test for every party (dunno what you meant there). There is an alternative called Bundewahlkompass, which doesn't help out either.
There's a Wahl-o-mat for every region man, lol.
Also, just to give those who are still confused an explanation about the goals of Die Partei:
The PARTEI refers to itself as a harbor for voters disappointed by other parties. It plans to engage in a (self-declared) "populist campaign" centering on
rebuilding the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain between east and west Germany, changing east Germany into an "SBZ", a "Sonderbewirtschaftungszone" (Special Economic Zone). East Germany had the same abbreviation between 1945 and 1949 when it was called "Sowjetische Besatzungszone" (Soviet Occupation Zone).
a reform of the health insurance system
a reduction in working hours along with the abolishment of the Hartz IV laws and others introduced by "the neoliberal Schröder regime" (as an alternative to the Agenda 2010)
a new constitution discussed and ratified by the people (according to Artikel 146 German constitution).
Within the party an "Anti-constitutional-platform" was formed, in an attempt to force the German intelligence agency to surveil the party. The latter, however, refused to do so, considering the PARTEI a frivolous political party. The goals of the Anti-constitutional-platform:[2]
abolition of federalism
a war of aggression against Liechtenstein in order to force democratization and abolish serfdom.[3]
that the first article of the German constitution ("Human dignity is inviolable") be changed such that CEOs of certain TV channels would not possess human dignity.
And just for funsies:
The only program point that cannot even remotely be found in other parties' programm is the resurrection of the wall that once divided East and West Germany, something that, according to certain polls, some 20% of all Germans wish for.
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On August 26 2013 23:02 SilentchiLL wrote:
There's a Wahl-o-mat for every region man, lol.
Yes, I'm not stupid. However, the wahl-o-mat for next September will only 'start' on 29th. There are no other Landtagswahlen I'm aware of. Hence, if you only do it for the Bavaria edition, you'll get skewed results, because you'll a) not have the option to pick other parties or b) use outdated data.
man, lol. :|
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On August 25 2013 01:14 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +I also find this stereotyp of the "benevolent pedagogue"/"exemplary student" quite annoying. Yes, i - and many fellow germans - try to correct things that are wrong, but that is the same with every other country as well. I'd also appreciate it if you would restrain yourself from using these kind of stereotypes, especially if they are not helping in a discussion. It's quite silly to think of beer and kraut when attributing stereotypes to Germans. Beer and kraut are caricatures, whereas all stereotypes are true. For instance: Show nested quote +i like to discuss these things in fora (btw correct use of that plural, many forget the origin of the word). It takes a virgin eye to see it though. Eh, that kind of frivolous statement is something of an inkblot test. The frustrated will continue to be frustrated with the way things work, and the appeased will continue to congratulate themselves on the virtues of their society.
Actually i drink beer and eat a lot of Kraut - omg they must be true! (false logic can always end up beeing right, but that is just random)
So what is your actual point anyway? Is there a real one? Else, just stay away from constructive discussion. Good day, Sir.
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On August 25 2013 01:14 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +I also find this stereotyp of the "benevolent pedagogue"/"exemplary student" quite annoying. Yes, i - and many fellow germans - try to correct things that are wrong, but that is the same with every other country as well. I'd also appreciate it if you would restrain yourself from using these kind of stereotypes, especially if they are not helping in a discussion. It's quite silly to think of beer and kraut when attributing stereotypes to Germans. Beer and kraut are caricatures, whereas all stereotypes are true. For instance: Show nested quote +i like to discuss these things in fora (btw correct use of that plural, many forget the origin of the word). It takes a virgin eye to see it though. Eh, that kind of frivolous statement is something of an inkblot test. The frustrated will continue to be frustrated with the way things work, and the appeased will continue to congratulate themselves on the virtues of their society.
I'm just wondering, but what is your source of knowledge when it comes the German people?
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AfD is now at 7.6% and will soon arrive at 8%
http://www.wahl-radar2013.de/
There is a huge discrepancy between the numbers and the method to generate these results.
Last week AfD got 15% votes in a poll on bild.de with 760.000 participants!
Yesterday their leader "Bernd Lucke" even got attacked by several masked men while he was speaking in front of a crowd.
Some radical thinking people destroy their election poster, and attack and pressurize supporter / members of AfD and their family. These groups are often members of opposing parties and their leaders have not yet dissociated from them.
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It is a Bild poll, i guess that explains itself.
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How does it explain itself?
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On August 27 2013 06:05 legor wrote:
How does it explain itself?
An online survey on the website of the most populistic and sensation seeking "newspaper" is in no way representative.
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On August 27 2013 01:50 dZn wrote:
Yesterday their leader "Bernd Lucke" even got attacked by several masked men while he was speaking in front of a crowd.
Some radical thinking people destroy their election poster, and attack and pressurize supporter / members of AfD and their family. These groups are often members of opposing parties and their leaders have not yet dissociated from them.
its funny cause those attackers come from the left corner, people who call themselves fighers against facism etc etc
they are actively disturbing their right of free speech and are being totally ignorant.
i dont have any sympathies for the AfD and of course never for the friggin nazi party npd. but those actions are unacceptable
a wise man once said
"when facism returns it wont say "i am the facism", it will say " i am the anti facism" "
pretty digusting whats happening there
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On August 27 2013 07:45 SpikeStarcraft wrote:An online survey on the website of the most populistic and sensation seeking "newspaper" is in no way representative.
Don't call it a newspaper, Bild was forbidden to call itself a newspaper long ago.
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On August 27 2013 08:27 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 07:45 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On August 27 2013 06:05 legor wrote:
How does it explain itself? An online survey on the website of the most populistic and sensation seeking "newspaper" is in no way representative. Don't call it a newspaper, Bild was forbidden to call itself a newspaper long ago.
this is an urban myth. they simply choose not to call themself "bild zeitung" but "bild".
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On August 24 2013 19:22 HaRuHi wrote:
Also, NPD totally missing in OP, basicly nazi party of germany, never make it to bundestag, but got the most insane election posters. They always hang up the highest on street laterns and stuff, because otherwise people would just rip them down.
My this year's personal favourite :"Money for Grandmummies, instead of sinti and romanies".
I wanted to keep the introduction relevant to the federal elections. And the NPD really is a fringe party federally, with 1.6% being their highest outcome ever since the 1960s.
The National-Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) is the truest successor to the Third Reich Nazi Party that a democratic Germany would just allow to exist. Their program is primarily nationalistic, calling for Germany's exit from NATO and EU. They also don't recognize Germany's current borderline and call for a revision of particularly the Eastern border to extend Germany back to her pre-war area. They also have referred to Austria as German territory.
The party runs a paperthinly veiled racist and antisemitic platform. Examples would be openly opposing the German national football team because of non-white players ("'White' - not just the color of the jersey") and aggressive propaganda against immigrants, particularly those from Turkey. They have a contradictory stance towards Islam, on the one hand feeding off anti-Islamic feelings within Germany on the other hand supporting Iran or the Palestinians in their struggle against Israel. There are numerous links between the NPD and various criminal, violent neo-nazi movements.
In 2001 the Schroeder administration sought to ban the NPD on grounds of their "open opposition to the constitution". The trial failed spectacularly when it was revealed that the party was widely undermined by informants and undercover agents of the German secret services, going as far as the heads of some of the party's state organizations. The Federal Constitutional Court stopped the trial because state informants in the NPD's inner circle made it impossible to tell how far the party's anti-constitutional direction was influenced by the state's undercover agents.
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On August 26 2013 21:55 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 16:49 Mafe wrote:On August 25 2013 00:37 GeckoXp wrote:On August 24 2013 18:43 Skilledblob wrote:
pogo party :D
or was it APPD? It's Partei für Arbeit, Rechtsstaat, Tierschutz, Elitenförderung und basisdemokratische Initiative. Sadly the best choice for september. No those are 2 different parties: APPD; DIE PARTEII'm still kinda undecided who to vote for. The "wahl-o-mat" (an online-tool to compare the positions of different parties) always gives me agreement-ratings that are usually between 55% and 65% for all major parties (though most of the time SPD/Left party/greens are higher and FDP lowest), and that's about how I feel. I don't feel good about voting for any big party; even though in case of the left-leaning parties I mentioned it's normally their style of politics/behavior/party-leaders that annoy me much more than their actual politics. So I'm probably going to vote for the pirate party, because I feel that their topics and their principle to get "normal people"/party members more involved would be something good for germany in general to talk more about. On the bright side, as I don't care too much about the results and there isn't too much tension about what could happen anyway, this is probably a good time to register a "Wahlhelfer", somebody who helps in organizing the election/counting votes etc. Last time I checked, my city still needed some of them. I do know these are two different parties, I simply wasn't sure what "party" meant in the context and thought he referred to Sonneborn (which obviously is a way funnier project than APPD). On a sidenote, if you're not in Bavaria (Landtagswahlen & Volksentscheide), the wahl-o-mat still won't work and doesn't test for every party (dunno what you meant there). There is an alternative called Bundewahlkompass, which doesn't help out either.
I regularly check the wahlomat even for elections not in my state. Many questions there are not really state-specific at all, but even then I sometimes have an opinion, or I just skip them/vote "neutral".
Also in the first post he only referred to one party (Pogo praty and APPD are the same), so then you answer started with "It's..." it doesnt look anywhere near obvious to me that you knew they were different.
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I got to hand it to the NPD though. Their election posters are by far the most creative. "Maria instead of Scharia" Always good for a laugh. Like the party itself.
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yea it's kinda sad that the memorable campaign posters come from the NPD.
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The Wahl-o-Mat is now available for the whole country Klick
Have fun. Also there will be the main dabate between the two main candidates on September first. Will someone watch that?
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On August 29 2013 19:17 Brot wrote:The Wahl-o-Mat is now available for the whole country KlickHave fun. Also there will be the main dabate between the two main candidates on September first. Will someone watch that?
you might want to wait with the wal-o-mat right now, I tried twice (yesterday at night, today in the morning) and got disconnected in both cases.
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cdu/merkel win will . thats a thing we CANT change, the biggest other party spd has a candidat so faceless and bad that it really hurts and not a single mistake cdu does will be bad for merkel so 
even if we vote merkel will stay just to clarify that for the rest of the world
but our stupid foreign minister will change perhaps ^^
On August 29 2013 19:17 Brot wrote:The Wahl-o-Mat is now available for the whole country KlickHave fun. Also there will be the main dabate between the two main candidates on September first. Will someone watch that?
well whal-o-mat is some funny with always giving me i should vote npd linke partei or something else extrem ... wtf xD
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Yes, really surprises me after you could identify / bond with people like ExVodsPhoenix. Old Nazi Kevin and his friends...
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I just found I probably used the wahlomat "wrong": I used to click "neutral" whenever I didn't really have an opinion. Now i just "skip statement" instead, and suddenly the parties are much more separated, and ordered in the way I would have ordered them anyway. with noticeable differences between them.
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