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Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
March 29 2013 12:44 GMT
#21
You should get into MMOs and all your worries about you being not good at what you do are washed away.
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
March 29 2013 13:24 GMT
#22
so basically you're saying that you can't stand losing. well, that's normal. but sc is a game, so losing has to be a part of it. maybe you should try other hobbies when you hate losing, like watching tv.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 13:41:48
March 29 2013 13:24 GMT
#23
If you don't like the game because you're losing, it's your fault, not the game's fault. In WoL, I was winning and I still disliked the game because it was boring to me. I was a masters player, I've won games against players like Axslav and Thisisjimmy even though both were much better than me (and it's even more true now). However I think that the game is just dull and shallow, which if why I essentially stopped playing after the fourth ladder season of WoL.

Now I'm playing again and I'm absolute garbage because I'm behind in the meta and I'm a bit rusty mechanically, and I hate it even more because I'm not even able to be decent at a game that I don't respect. That part is my failing though.

I used to be a pretty hardcore gamer during the BW days, and now I'm a casual who'll only play games with buddies because they're only good at being platforms to mess around in. I'll play 2v2's and 3v3's without a care in the world, and we'll make dick jokes for the entire duration of the game and have a good time. 1v1'ing isn't entertaining on its own unless the competitive feeling manages to make up for the game's lack of depth and its obvious trial-and-error balance* design which lacks all and any eloquence.

But that's just my pessimistic take. I'm bitter because it murdered BW.

*: I don't think the game is imbalanced, in fact props to Blizzard for making it pretty dam' balanced as far as I can tell. But that's all it is to me. A relatively fair, yet completely boring game, where exciting and impressive things only happen very very rarely. And watching it is even worse. Where playing the game can give me some emotions (mostly my ego getting bashed on with a blunt object), tournament games are for the most part completely uninteresting. Watching MLG is essentially waiting for the 2-3 "wow" moments that'll happen throughout hours of gameplay. The rest just seem like a cesspool of linear executions of strats that ultimately fail or succeed typically based on a multitude of boring engagement. And while the strats are sometimes smart and I can applaud that, -nothing- can make a clever use of swarm hosts fun to watch like lurkers were, like micro-able mutas were or like reavers were.

I'm still desperately trying to like it so that BW won't have died in vain but I think I'll need brain damage.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
cwalk
Profile Joined May 2012
United States26 Posts
March 29 2013 14:22 GMT
#24
I don't understand why some people take GL HF so literally. It's a polite formality, that everyone should say at the beginning of the match, no matter what. There's things like that in every sport, its just something that you do to show a little respect towards your unknown opponent.

The GG at the end is a little less necessary in my opinion, but I still make an effort to say it every time I lose, regardless of what I lose to. When I do, I'm not necessarily saying that I think it actually was a good game, since I tend to rage after losing, it's just an acknowledgment to my opponent that they have beaten me.

For actually letting out any rage after losing, I just watch the replay which usually helps calm me down as I analyze what went wrong. I also have a small punching bad near my computer that has helped before.
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Meadowlark
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States349 Posts
March 29 2013 14:25 GMT
#25
I'd wish some teenager from blizzard (because the mature ones are really occupied spending their millions, leaving only teenagers and guys who still live with their moms)

A guy like you probably shouldn't go around calling other people immature. It seems a little, how do you say, "hipocritical"
''Three bottles of Monster in a day; I'm pumped as fuck." -Stephano
Japhybaby
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada301 Posts
March 29 2013 14:42 GMT
#26
Do you have a specific definition of what you consider "winning"? Once you master a certain skill level the game ranks you up and you play at a harder difficulty. So if you win, the you probably start to lose again.. remember??? If you had a specific level you wanted to reach, it would make your goals clearer and that would make losing easier. You would be able to take losses in stride because they'd be part of the process of reaching your goal (lets say getting to masters league)

Often when I'm actually playing well and having fun and learning, a loss is more fun than a win. If i'm enjoying myself and scouting and trying to figure out what to do next I can often figure out what i did wrong so i feel like next time i will have a chance. My friend told me "just pick a plan and treat it like you are testing something out. it may work, it may not"

The thing i don't necessarily like about starcraft is its actually fucking tiring. You do a build. you scout, you make sure not to miss pylons and get everything down at the right time.. you do that perfectly, then it gets into the late game and you have to do all this mentally exhausting stuff like remember to make a bunch of shit while you're trying to plan an attack.... just remember the pros are MASTERS they are using their conscious thought much less because they have found ways to know exactly what works... the rest of us... we should take it easy... think... laugh... and respect our opponents! I don't say "gl hf" i say "have fun" or "good luck" and sometimes i converse a bit. it's nice to remember it is a human and not some asshole with mean zealots under his control...
hold on! i'm callin' you back to the pool, and we'll dazzle them all!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 29 2013 14:50 GMT
#27
On March 29 2013 17:14 SOyuncastor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 15:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Uninstall and move on with your life.
Stop trying to like something if you've never found a point at which you could say you enjoyed this game.

If you're coming to stop cussing out everyone who says anything remotely related to the game, the developers, the company and starting to get cynical: it's obvious that this is just a poisonous game for you.

Seriously: uninstall, move on. You're not gaining anything by forcing yourself to play and you're wasting time when you could do something that doesn't incite such behavior from you. If you can't enjoy it, then don't play it.

Go to bed, wake up, read this shit and tell me if that's really how you want to talk and act from something you bought and wanted to play and enjoy.

If not, then the decision is obvious.



You know that is actually a good advise. The thing is, people get addicted to stress, it gets you angry and you release chemicals that once are gone, you need your fix.

it's like a soft drug that this game is doing to all of us. And maybe that's why I can't leave it. Sometimes I play because I am so stressed from work that I can shout inside this game and that's all right, instead of doing it to people on real life.

If I get angry at the game and angry at people who writes EACH GAME "gl hf" like they are some sort of fanatical religion member, it helps at the end to release (and produce) stress. It's just that I find it ridiculous to read every game GL HF after this long. I mean, it has been YEARS reading the same thing over and over and over.... there has to be some sort of automatic blocking chat or automatic answering command to that annoying msg you see on the screen. If you don't think it's wrong, you could be thinking the same as I do after 10, 20, 30 years.


It's not wrong because it's just courtesy. Whether they mean it or not is pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things.
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 29 2013 14:56 GMT
#28
I hope other functions of etiquette such as bowing, hand shaking, or saying "Good morning," don't bother you this much. Protip: no one really means any of that. People wish you "Good morning" when their morning has been shit and they don't really care how your morning goes. Maybe they're insufferable "hipocrits" and you should quit associating with them.

I have many problems with SC2 but if you quit simply because you lose, I don't know what to say. Maybe you're just not cut out for competition, or anything involving losing or stress.
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SOyuncastor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Mexico40 Posts
March 29 2013 15:05 GMT
#29
On March 29 2013 21:44 Kuni wrote:
You should get into MMOs and all your worries about you being not good at what you do are washed away.


I did that. I bought WOW and fell asleep that month. It's not a good solution getting 10 pumpkins to some guy over and over and over.

I also bought Diablo 3. That game was a nice game, a lot of people said --- I mean, raged how bad was it. But the only thing that I regret was that the minimap and the descriptions on that game, were burning my LCD screen.

I wrote about it, and people said my HDTV was an old model, which is not. But at the end, I got mad with diablo 3 for not letting me change the screen the way I wanted. Games like Guildwars (I'm talking about the first one) would let you "design" your screen by changing a lot of stuff. Blizzard with all the experience in the world, does not let you do that and I think that is wrong.


There is always someone younger and better than you.
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
March 29 2013 15:11 GMT
#30
lol what did i just read? if you want to win go play single player games, those are pretty much designed to be easy wins in normal mode. Otherwise get ready to lose at a game that you cant dedicate your time to. RTS does not sound like the genre for you; the pay off in RTS is when you finally apply what you learned and it takes you to a hard earned win.
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
SOyuncastor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Mexico40 Posts
March 29 2013 15:17 GMT
#31
On March 29 2013 23:56 EchOne wrote:
I hope other functions of etiquette such as bowing, hand shaking, or saying "Good morning," don't bother you this much. Protip: no one really means any of that. People wish you "Good morning" when their morning has been shit and they don't really care how your morning goes. Maybe they're insufferable "hipocrits" and you should quit associating with them.

I have many problems with SC2 but if you quit simply because you lose, I don't know what to say. Maybe you're just not cut out for competition, or anything involving losing or stress.



Hand shaking or saying "good morning" does not bother me at all. I do not bow as it is something it's not necessary around here.

I know people does not really means that, that's why I don't write it back. I just want an option so I can no longer read what the other is talking or an automatic response to those lines.

This could be a conditionated response. Some people get happy when they read that, some people doesn't. I'm just suggesting blizzard an option for the people like me who rages about that annoying little thing, to help us avoid getting mad. Let me choose to click on a little box in the options menu:

"write down GL HF automatically"
or
"Don't show chat from now on"

I don't think I'm asking too much. I mean, it has been years and you can all see this it's not good for my health. And I know I can't be the only one in the planet.
There is always someone younger and better than you.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 15:18:10
March 29 2013 15:17 GMT
#32
I have to imagine that OP's room has GL HF written all over the walls and looks something like this
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Treehead
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
999 Posts
March 29 2013 15:39 GMT
#33
I really don't get the rage against "gl hf".

It's like posting a rage blog about people saying "Hi" to you and smiling.

Sure, that person probably doesn't really want to engage you in conversation, and sure, you're really a very clever man to have figured all that out - but provided someone is willing to say something to you that is remotely pleasant (which I often experience on ladder, personally), why on earth would that make you angry?

If you'd prefer people to be honest and aggressive (as your post indicates), rather than courteous, then let me start by saying that most people probably came to this blog expecting a well-written critique about the game, its storyline, or even just a clever quip about the world of SC2. Instead, they found someone who writes as though he's barely literate, making an argument that the only game which is truly "good" is the one at which you are inherently better than everyone else without needing to try, and therefore need never lose. I'm not surprised you liked Diablo 3.

That's my honest feelings about your blog and responses to people's posts. You're welcome.
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
March 29 2013 16:15 GMT
#34
On March 29 2013 15:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Uninstall and move on with your life.

You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 29 2013 16:46 GMT
#35
On March 30 2013 00:17 SOyuncastor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 23:56 EchOne wrote:
I hope other functions of etiquette such as bowing, hand shaking, or saying "Good morning," don't bother you this much. Protip: no one really means any of that. People wish you "Good morning" when their morning has been shit and they don't really care how your morning goes. Maybe they're insufferable "hipocrits" and you should quit associating with them.

I have many problems with SC2 but if you quit simply because you lose, I don't know what to say. Maybe you're just not cut out for competition, or anything involving losing or stress.



Hand shaking or saying "good morning" does not bother me at all. I do not bow as it is something it's not necessary around here.

I know people does not really means that, that's why I don't write it back. I just want an option so I can no longer read what the other is talking or an automatic response to those lines.

This could be a conditionated response. Some people get happy when they read that, some people doesn't. I'm just suggesting blizzard an option for the people like me who rages about that annoying little thing, to help us avoid getting mad. Let me choose to click on a little box in the options menu:

"write down GL HF automatically"
or
"Don't show chat from now on"

I don't think I'm asking too much. I mean, it has been years and you can all see this it's not good for my health. And I know I can't be the only one in the planet.


You need to focus on this internally or not play. There is a reason I don't play SC2 during the week, and its mostly because I am an wreck when I get home from work. I used to, like someone who keeps staying out to late and being a zombie at work. It ruined my record, made me dislike playing and felt like I was wasting my time.

Now I don't care if I win or lose unranked games and I'm not trying to make it to masters or diamond any more. I have accepted the fact I don't have the time to do so, so I accept my limites and try to just enjoy playing. I jump into unranked game when I want to mess around and do stargate openings vs terran.

The game isn't going to change. Your relationship to it and your opponents is the only thing you have control over. The game is more fun when you don't really care.


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Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
March 29 2013 17:24 GMT
#36
This is the most pessimistic thing I have ever heard. It looks like you have taken every single thing (not many) you can complain about in StarCraft and found some way to tear it to shreds without any form of real logic or reason.

"Even masters and pros are hating this game"...false.

If you are this pessimistic in your real life, good luck. Because you won't go anywhere with it.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
March 29 2013 18:03 GMT
#37
Start playing UMS games. Tons of fun and literally no stress. And a nice community!
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AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
March 29 2013 18:24 GMT
#38
I quit six months ago after spending the same amount of time you have (but I did hit Masters)and have recently started playing again. I realized that I still love the game (players can be gigantic douchenozzles).

Take a break from ALL of Starcraft, not just the game.
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 29 2013 19:01 GMT
#39
On March 29 2013 17:14 SOyuncastor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 15:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Uninstall and move on with your life.
Stop trying to like something if you've never found a point at which you could say you enjoyed this game.

If you're coming to stop cussing out everyone who says anything remotely related to the game, the developers, the company and starting to get cynical: it's obvious that this is just a poisonous game for you.

Seriously: uninstall, move on. You're not gaining anything by forcing yourself to play and you're wasting time when you could do something that doesn't incite such behavior from you. If you can't enjoy it, then don't play it.

Go to bed, wake up, read this shit and tell me if that's really how you want to talk and act from something you bought and wanted to play and enjoy.

If not, then the decision is obvious.



You know that is actually a good advise. The thing is, people get addicted to stress, it gets you angry and you release chemicals that once are gone, you need your fix.

it's like a soft drug that this game is doing to all of us. And maybe that's why I can't leave it. Sometimes I play because I am so stressed from work that I can shout inside this game and that's all right, instead of doing it to people on real life.

If I get angry at the game and angry at people who writes EACH GAME "gl hf" like they are some sort of fanatical religion member, it helps at the end to release (and produce) stress. It's just that I find it ridiculous to read every game GL HF after this long. I mean, it has been YEARS reading the same thing over and over and over.... there has to be some sort of automatic blocking chat or automatic answering command to that annoying msg you see on the screen. If you don't think it's wrong, you could be thinking the same as I do after 10, 20, 30 years.


What in the actual heck? How is this remotely bothersome?

I write this everygame, although I write gg hf; because let's be honest, I don't want me opponent having good luck. I do however want him to play well (the gg part) and enjoy it (the hf part). I mean it everygame I write. Not sure what you are referring about with the hypocrisy part.

The game is stressing because you keep losing and losing and losing, hell, I even managed to finish a damn career at my university and I keep failing at this fucking game.


?

No idea what you are talking about here. Losing = stressful? Huh?

Since when does it matter whether or not you win. If you played poorly and lost, then it would make sense to be irritated at yourself, but if I play poorly and win I'm equally as annoyed as if I played poorly and won. If I played great and lost, I'm not stressed either because I did the best I could and now have things I can look at in the replay to see why, even playing well, I lost.

You can't control whether or not you win or lose, only how you play. It makes absolutely no sense to get frustrated or mad because you are winning or losing.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
March 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#40
Your whole point on losing is incredibly childish. Everyone loses at everything, no matter how good they are. The very best sports teams in their leagues still lose plenty of games. The worlds best golfers still lose tournaments, the worlds best fighters still lose fights, etc etc. What you are bitching about is extremely common and natural. how can something be competitive if 1 person ALWAYS wins everytime? You need to grow up and realize you lose alot because you dont put the work in to get better. You decided to take time to make this rant, when you could of used that time to study your play and work on builds/timings/macro/micro etc. That alone shows the failure you experience is directly related to your attitude.
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