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etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 13:38:30
January 23 2013 18:42 GMT
#1
/I don't like this blog anymore

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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 23 2013 18:52 GMT
#2
Cool, but totally besides the point.

Your post is about you being able to see your own MMR, and your improvement.

The poll, and the drama, was about being able to see the MMR from other players. If Dotabuff simply announced private or opt in MMR the drama would be minimal.

etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
January 23 2013 18:58 GMT
#3
On January 24 2013 03:52 SKC wrote:
Cool, but totally besides the point.

Your post is about you being able to see your own MMR, and your improvement.

The poll, and the drama, was about being able to see the MMR from other players. If Dotabuff simply announced private or opt in MMR the drama would be minimal.



But eventually, some people will make the 3rd party program based on this "hide" ratings (because you still want to know your rating relative to "them"), so what is the point in slowing down the time?
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 19:14:15
January 23 2013 19:12 GMT
#4
On January 24 2013 03:58 etofok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 03:52 SKC wrote:
Cool, but totally besides the point.

Your post is about you being able to see your own MMR, and your improvement.

The poll, and the drama, was about being able to see the MMR from other players. If Dotabuff simply announced private or opt in MMR the drama would be minimal.



But eventually, some people will make the 3rd party program based on this "hide" ratings (because you still want to know your rating relative to "them"), so what is the point in slowing down the time?


How exactly would they make another program? Unless you mean another website will develop another database to compete with DotaBuff and they may create another rating and make that one avaible to everyone. Yeah, that is bound to happen sometime. Maybe after HL3.

The issue is that you made a huge rant pretending that the people that didn't want public ratings were against people wanting to know their own ratings and measure their improvement. If your actual argument against them was that "it was bound to happen anyway", perhaps that should have been the subject of the blog. You made up your "opponents" argument so that you could easily beat them, instead of using the actual complaints that are definatelly not as simple to refute.

If the drama is against a public rating instead of a private one, try to argue why it should be public, not why it should exist at all.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 23 2013 19:12 GMT
#5
P.S. stands for "Post Script", or "after-message". Therefore, additional "PS"s are written as "PPS" and "PPPS" (Post-Post-Post Script).

P.S.S is incorrect.

Other comment: The "best" player on your team going mid isn't always good. I'm a disaster mid, but I can guarantee you MM will at some point (1 in 5 games) make me the "best" player on my team. Either way, no need to make a pointless blog about a topic that is already being heavily discussed in the Dota 2 subforum...

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etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 19:26:35
January 23 2013 19:20 GMT
#6
If the drama is against a public rating instead of a private one, try to argue why it should be public, not why it should exist at all.


Because there is no point in existence of the private one, there is no difference between private and no at all.

Public numbers will turn the game into an actual game, and not a complete mess as nowadays in solo queue, when 5 people don't want even to expect from each others and just blame while doing shit.




Other comment: The "best" player on your team going mid isn't always good.



Yes, you are right, but in this case, "the better player" simply asks something like "hi guys, who want mid", or whatever, but there is already a point to start communicate with your teammates. Nowadays you just pick and go with "fuck you all" in your head.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 23 2013 19:22 GMT
#7
On January 24 2013 04:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
P.S. stands for "Post Script", or "after-message". Therefore, additional "PS"s are written as "PPS" and "PPPS" (Post-Post-Post Script).

P.S.S is incorrect.

Other comment: The "best" player on your team going mid isn't always good. I'm a disaster mid, but I can guarantee you MM will at some point (1 in 5 games) make me the "best" player on my team. Either way, no need to make a pointless blog about a topic that is already being heavily discussed in the Dota 2 subforum...


I like how you skipped over the most glaringly incorrect example. Why post P.S. as the first note? It doesn't even make sense... lol
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-23 19:29:46
January 23 2013 19:28 GMT
#8
On January 24 2013 04:22 Dubzex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 04:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
P.S. stands for "Post Script", or "after-message". Therefore, additional "PS"s are written as "PPS" and "PPPS" (Post-Post-Post Script).

P.S.S is incorrect.

Other comment: The "best" player on your team going mid isn't always good. I'm a disaster mid, but I can guarantee you MM will at some point (1 in 5 games) make me the "best" player on my team. Either way, no need to make a pointless blog about a topic that is already being heavily discussed in the Dota 2 subforum...


I like how you skipped over the most glaringly incorrect example. Why post P.S. as the first note? It doesn't even make sense... lol


"P.s." for me was "a note" an hour ago. Now I'm slightly better in English
The king, the priest, the rich man—who lives and who dies? Who will the swordsman obey?
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 23 2013 19:35 GMT
#9
On January 24 2013 04:28 etofok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 04:22 Dubzex wrote:
On January 24 2013 04:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
P.S. stands for "Post Script", or "after-message". Therefore, additional "PS"s are written as "PPS" and "PPPS" (Post-Post-Post Script).

P.S.S is incorrect.

Other comment: The "best" player on your team going mid isn't always good. I'm a disaster mid, but I can guarantee you MM will at some point (1 in 5 games) make me the "best" player on my team. Either way, no need to make a pointless blog about a topic that is already being heavily discussed in the Dota 2 subforum...


I like how you skipped over the most glaringly incorrect example. Why post P.S. as the first note? It doesn't even make sense... lol


"P.s." for me was "a note" an hour ago. Now I'm slightly better in English

You know more English than I do of another language so who am I to criticize anyways.
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Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
January 23 2013 21:51 GMT
#10
Well, I guess Valve closed the discussion about this for everyone now, didn't they?
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etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
January 23 2013 22:04 GMT
#11
On January 24 2013 06:51 Ydriel wrote:
Well, I guess Valve closed the discussion about this for everyone now, didn't they?


Yeah, they have killed dotabuff and destroyed any possibility to gain actual game statistic about winrates / heroes / items etc. I loved their site, but R.I.P.

The only hope, is that Valve plans to release their own statistics, but I don't think so, because how bad that move is.
The king, the priest, the rich man—who lives and who dies? Who will the swordsman obey?
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
January 23 2013 22:26 GMT
#12
That was a bit aggressive from Valve, but I can see how it is their data after all, and if not releasing ratings publicly goes againt their policy, they can just shut it off.

Personally, I wouldn't really mind if they made the ratings public. Anyone who plays Dota should be able to just ignore flaming by now. A good compromise could have been to make it so you can just see your own rating.

On January 24 2013 07:04 etofok wrote:
The only hope, is that Valve plans to release their own statistics, but I don't think so, because how bad that move is.


Perhaps they might, we'll see.
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