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First topic has to be about Stephano's "glhf" at the start of his first match vs Hero. Kespa doesn't allow anything but "pp" and "gg" to be typed in chat (you can thank Boxer for this one). In an effort to give the proverbial finger to Kespa (or a simple slip of the mind), Stephano typed out "gl, hf" at the start. After the referee paused the game, Hero responded "gl" in what is being considered a tremendous show of respect. By responding, he essentially ruled out any possibility of a 1 sided disqualification. After what looked like a stern talking to from the Kespa official, he got off with only a verbal warning.
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Even the most fervent TL mod hating nerd would describe them as moderate when compared to Kespa's hard line on seemingly trivial matters.
Next, lets talk about the Roach dance. Stephano lost his natural to a 2 base DT opening, swatted down Hero's follow up blink timing, and confidently swarmed into Hero's natural. The game being all but over prompted Stephano do a zerg rendition of "Dance! Dance! Revolution. What happened next? Well, Hero pushed back the happy footed roaches and stabilized. One botched follow up attack later and Hero was firmly back in the game.
With a +3 stalker collossus composition versus a 1-0 ling/roach/infestor army, Hero looked poised to steal the game away in what could have proven to be the most humiliating foreigner loss to date. Stephano managed to avoid such shame with great decision making during the engagement at his 4th and a whole lotta gypsy magic.
Ok, so... back to the roach dance. Some would argue that such shenanigans make Stephano who he is. Others might argue that in a league where foreigners have so much to prove, the risk does not add up to the reward. I tend to lean towards the latter, but in a sport where compelling story lines are sometimes sparse I can understand the former.
Either way, in only his first 2 games of Proleague, Stephano is proving to the world what some already knew. The USA is not to be taken lightly when Stephano is in command of the booth.
  
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Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers.
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Well I don't know about other people, but for me typing "glhf" is almost a part of my build order, and I'm not aware of any other tournament that does this so I'd say it's quite understandable.
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On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers.
I can't believe what I'm reading. I'm sorry you feel that way, considering that players aren't walking automatons that just play the game, they also have personality. That has everything to do with setting up stories for people to really watch and love to see pan out. The fact that you think the glhf is for the viewers to think the players are manner (which the majority are) is like this random conspiracy that the players are actually dicks behind the scenes. I'm very confused what the no chat rule actually does at all, I was confused about it in BW proleague, and I really don't think it has any place in an SC2 proleague. Also the stuff you see at MLG is not bullshit, it goes back to storylines that I was talking about.
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Rules are rules; play in SPL, follow KeSPA rules?
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On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers.
The funny thing is - most tournaments (i.e. MLG) have (or had the last time I looked) a similar "no chat expect pregame sportmanship & gg"-rule as well. So all the shenanigans between players is actually against the rules.
Only that it's never enforced. I agree that I prefer the Kespa way - if you have a rule, enforce it. Or get rid of the rule.
Gameplay Point 3 - dont know if that is the current ruleset, but it was at least one time part of it.
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On January 12 2013 18:57 Joedaddy wrote:
Either way, in only his first 2 games of Proleague, Stephano is proving to the world what some already knew. The USA is not to be taken lightly when Stephano is in command of the booth.
Stephano is French... interesting read though. I don't see what's the harm if you have glhf. It affects no one, but I suppose if only one side types it then it looks bad for the players.
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On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers.
....they could easily just amend the rule and say "no chat is allowed except any number of p's for pausing, gg, and glhf/good luck have fun at the start of the game." its such a standard thing even in non pro matches and conveys a sense of respect for your opponent.
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On January 13 2013 01:10 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers. I can't believe what I'm reading. I'm sorry you feel that way, considering that players aren't walking automatons that just play the game, they also have personality. That has everything to do with setting up stories for people to really watch and love to see pan out. The fact that you think the glhf is for the viewers to think the players are manner (which the majority are) is like this random conspiracy that the players are actually dicks behind the scenes. I'm very confused what the no chat rule actually does at all, I was confused about it in BW proleague, and I really don't think it has any place in an SC2 proleague. Also the stuff you see at MLG is not bullshit, it goes back to storylines that I was talking about.
Different tastes I guess.
I'm used to watch the BW korean pro scene and I've always seen it as a very professional enviroment, where rules are truly enforced, sometimes a little bit excessively (like pp'ing instead of ppp'ing used to get you a DQ, which is too harsh). By having players to freely chat during games is not only distracting but also gives me this feeling that the players are taking the game "casually"...
Of course glhf is fine if it is limited to just that, my second paragraph there was an overreaction.
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On January 13 2013 05:02 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 01:10 docvoc wrote:On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers. I can't believe what I'm reading. I'm sorry you feel that way, considering that players aren't walking automatons that just play the game, they also have personality. That has everything to do with setting up stories for people to really watch and love to see pan out. The fact that you think the glhf is for the viewers to think the players are manner (which the majority are) is like this random conspiracy that the players are actually dicks behind the scenes. I'm very confused what the no chat rule actually does at all, I was confused about it in BW proleague, and I really don't think it has any place in an SC2 proleague. Also the stuff you see at MLG is not bullshit, it goes back to storylines that I was talking about. Different tastes I guess. I'm used to watch the BW korean pro scene and I've always seen it as a very professional enviroment, where rules are truly enforced, sometimes a little bit excessively (like pp'ing instead of ppp'ing used to get you a DQ, which is too harsh). By having players to freely chat during games is not only distracting but also gives me this feeling that the players are taking the game "casually"... Of course glhf is fine if it is limited to just that, my second paragraph there was an overreaction.
Yeah honestly when NaNiwa didn't gl hf at the start of the last TSL3 game you could feel that it wasn't even sure he saw it since the tension was so high. It was an amazing feeling  .
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On January 13 2013 04:03 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers. ....they could easily just amend the rule and say "no chat is allowed except any number of p's for pausing, gg, and glhf/good luck have fun at the start of the game." its such a standard thing even in non pro matches and conveys a sense of respect for your opponent.
It's not any number of P's! You type three of those things and you just lost your team a match. Not like THAT would ever happen though. lol
Yeah I think they should change the rule slightly... in case sarcasm doesn't come through to some people.
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On January 12 2013 20:47 fabiano wrote:
Might sound harsh and shit, but I'd prefer to have this no chat rule rather than reading the players bullshit you see in MLG and other foreign tournaments.
Players can glhf in the game lobby to their hearts content, they don't need to glhf in-game just to show up as good manners to the viewers.
I agree. It's kind of annoying when both players start typing to each other during the game. I prefer no chatting at all like proleague has.
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Because in a game that involves interaction with another person...
...there can be no interaction.
@_______________@; see the contradiction here?
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