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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
On January 12 2013 07:33 Qbek wrote: One big thing is the phenomenon of people watching SC2 but not playing it/playing very little. I think a lot of those people focus on drama rather than gameplay It's not a phenomenon anymore, since BW had the exact same thing. WC3 had it as well at one point. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On January 12 2013 13:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: From what I've seen most of the "ESPORTS hype" has been forced upon the community from day 1 from the organizations that would most benefit from more money being pumped into competitive gaming. . Well said, this is exactly what I was trying to say. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On January 12 2013 12:10 CPTBadAss wrote: You read the book too?? That's awesome. And I agree...they're such characters. Can you tell me the name of the names of the Tetris and Missile Command movies and the books you've read? I'd love to read/watch them as well. The Tetris doc is Ecstasy of Order (I watched it on Hulu, maybe you can too since you're in America) and the Missile Command movie is called High Score. I also enjoy Chasing Ghosts (follows the same people as King of Kong but more broad info), Beyond The Game (WCG thing on Grubby and Sky in WC3), Frag (about FPS games and CPL - this one is particularly hilarious as it has a lot of now current SC2 commentators in their earlier days), the StarCraft WCG 2005 National Geographic piece (follows Xellos in a WCG run - done by Storyteller, a member of TL), and I Got Next (about fighting games). I even have a copy of MTV True Life - I'm a Gamer on an old hard drive which is amusing enough to watch every so often but it's largely about guys who don't compete. There is a Mike Ross documentary too that is good but I don't remember the name of. The books I've read off the top of my head are Master of Doom, Dungeons and Dreamers, and I'm currently reading Raising the Stakes. The first two are only tangentially related to competitions but have large sections describing early the early FPS scene but the latter is specifically esports driven. It's good so far but I'm only a few pages in. On January 12 2013 12:54 Qwyn wrote: My issue is this: there's nothing else. There is NO RTS game that can compete with SCII in the current market (except BW). And somewhere down the line, you've got to stop using a 14 year old game as an example in the MODERN DAY gaming market. It is only a TESTAMENT to BW's quality that it is still a shining example of what an RTS game should be even while its successor is trying (and failing) to choke it out. There needs to be competition. But no one is stepping up to the plate. My love is for this genre. I portion only a bit out to this game. The rest is for the players, who work very hard at improving every day. Meanwhile, the developers do a shit job of making this game the PREMIERE competitive game (something that they proclaimed was one of their design goals so long ago). These players deserve so much more than what they have. Most of them sacrifice EVERYTHING to play this game competitively. They are artists...and their canvas is shabby, warped and ragged. Why do you think the deep, profound passion for the game is lacking. Why does it feel forced? Why is it so hard to find? Because this game is so much less than it could be. You can sidestep that fact all you want. It's something that was very, very painful for me to realize (especially since I spent so much of my life in this genre). Why the fuck do you think there are so many complaint threads that have popped up in the past few months? The community hasn't just gone to shit. We're all very passionate people with a love for the complexity of the competitive RTS game. And while some are satisfied with less, those who are complaining openly want this game to be so much more than it could be. Unfortunately, there is nothing else out there right now (with a thriving, vibrant population of players) that can compare with SCII. And that is ONLY because there is NOTHING out there! This genre is a desolate wasteland. And I'm not talking about RTS games in general. I am talking about the competitive RTS genre that was forged by the weight of just one game, whose successor fails to deliver the canvas we have waited to behold for so goddamned long. I've wrestled with this for a while and ultimately while I agree it's weird that there is no real competition in the genre, I still think SC2 is a great game. There are enough people out there who really love it for the weird intricacies that exist within the game to make me a believer that it has many of the qualities we attribute to the greatest of competitive events. On January 12 2013 13:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I disagree The juxtaposition between your post and signature is awesome. Well done. | ||
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
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CutieBK
Sweden227 Posts
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MarcH
United Kingdom362 Posts
For me right now im really looking forward to the next big tournament I can get excited for and I haven't been like this for quite a while not since WCS EU finals and the WCS UK championships. In fact thinking about It those are the only 2 tournaments I have been really excited for in the whole of 2012 and thats a bit sad really. Their were moments that I had a massive amount of enjoyment just watching SC2 but for the most part I was just tiered with it all. Every weekend their was a different tournament and something else to watch and that sounds good but after a while I was exhausted with it all and needed a break from it and thats why those two tournament really stood out for me as their was a decent break between the previous tournament and those ones starting so I was refreshed going in and could really look forward to them as they had a build up and had stories going in and throughout the weekend (well maybe WCS EU did not so much the UK finals but being a brit that tournament was for my hometown players so it was special). Im also really enjoying Pro league aswel now as they can tell a story as well as anyone but they let you enjoy the game for what it is in bite size pieces so not every weekend is eaten up by it, add in the new maps bringing out new styles and stratergies is just making it near perfect for me and has kept me going over winter nicely. | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
We need to make ESPORTS happen was the rally cry of 2010, and set the tone for the community since. After pretty much quitting with SC2 sometime during the first 1-2 seasons this was and still is one of the main issues that's keeping me away from the community. People keep talking about this artificial E-Sports construct, about how you can make it grow and the whole infamous "blabla is destroying ESPORTS"-meme is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to that craze. A big part about what annoys me in some of the more recent popular games (biggest offenders to me personally are SC2 and League) are artificial design choices which seem to leak into the communities attitudes. It starts with "We don't want highground advantage in our game because random things are bad" and ends with "You have to do this or that if you're a fan of this game because otherwise you're not helping us grow esports". For the "good old games" (think BW, Q3, CS 1.6) no one cared about some higher concept during their beginnings, I don't remember people telling you to do this or that for the greater good of your favorite game. Play your favorite game. Communicate with others about it. Try to improve yourself. - That's the basis for a sport right there. There is no need to try and summon some GOD OF ESPORTS into this who will punish or reward your actions according to what you do, no need for a common canon. Can we be nerds again please without worrying about the repercussions? =P | ||
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No0n
United States355 Posts
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LamaMitHut
Germany187 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + aaaaaand: http://imgur.com/a/cPWn2 This is just the tip of an iceberg. The SC2 community could do worse. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On January 12 2013 09:15 mizU wrote: Loud minority, silent majority. I still love SC2 <3 This is how i feel as well, i just love the game man. I love talking about strategies, not balance, i love listening to people who are positive and praising skill, every time i hear some putting players down it turns me off. Late last night i was on skype with someone, and we were playing so SC2 obs matches, just chatting and watching the games, then we played some sc2bw also, and that was fun too. I love this game, and i hope that all the people who have been complaining for the last year leave soon, and even if the scene shrinks a bit, that will be cool, because the people left will be the ones who care. Edit, also: + Show Spoiler + Edit number 2: I have to say that something has been nigling at me since reading this, that the negativity isn't all as bad as people say it is, that really there is a feedback loop that is making it worse than it is, like watching that grubby hype video that someone made the other day is awesome. Or that i can watch sase or grubby or tyler or axslav or incontrol's stream, and know who it is by the builds they are doing, or in the case of tyler and sase just the way they click on things. Their precision is very recognisable to me, thanks to streaming and analysing their replays, it isn't just true of BW, it is true of SC2 too if you really care | ||
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EndOfLineTv
United States741 Posts
I think that everyone should relax, try their own builds, and have fun. Create you own style! | ||
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Celadan
Norway471 Posts
On January 12 2013 07:29 Torte de Lini wrote: Your post reminds me of two entries I had written about. Both the drama and the lack of "personality" within builds and strategies of players. I attributed the lack of personality with builds due to the overabundance of tournaments. If you have to play in the open-brackets of three tournaments within a month (let's say IEM, IPL & MLG), then you are better off practicing your mechanics and endurance to play rather than creating new builds and styles. It's about which net of builds will get you the farthest. The appeal to the GSL is the assumption that it is the highest-level of play, both on a player's mechanics as well as each match, presumably, being the summation of two players' preparation to understand one another and their strengths/weaknesses. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384505 As for the emphasis and drama. More of the scene than the game, I think it's because the community is bored: both with the above issue as well as the fact that there is no proper story-telling or redefining of the players and their uniqueness. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387328 NO, the emphasis on the drama is the reason we dont have a proper "storytelling" in esports. Whining is all over TL and thats the reason i hardly ever post here anymore. I think the game is great and people should stop whining about patchzergs or the latest drama. And the notion that people email teams sponsors JUST to get some consequence for a thing that didnt really matter is ridicolus, I usually dont read replys in posts because they are full of witch-hunting and BM. Theres this drama heavy culture on TL that arised and THATS what is the issue here. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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CPTBadAss
United States594 Posts
On January 12 2013 19:06 heyoka wrote: The Tetris doc is Ecstasy of Order (I watched it on Hulu, maybe you can too since you're in America) and the Missile Command movie is called High Score. I also enjoy Chasing Ghosts (follows the same people as King of Kong but more broad info), Beyond The Game (WCG thing on Grubby and Sky in WC3), Frag (about FPS games and CPL - this one is particularly hilarious as it has a lot of now current SC2 commentators in their earlier days), the StarCraft WCG 2005 National Geographic piece (follows Xellos in a WCG run - done by Storyteller, a member of TL), and I Got Next (about fighting games). I even have a copy of MTV True Life - I'm a Gamer on an old hard drive which is amusing enough to watch every so often but it's largely about guys who don't compete. There is a Mike Ross documentary too that is good but I don't remember the name of. The books I've read off the top of my head are Master of Doom, Dungeons and Dreamers, and I'm currently reading Raising the Stakes. The first two are only tangentially related to competitions but have large sections describing early the early FPS scene but the latter is specifically esports driven. It's good so far but I'm only a few pages in. So just to start off, the Mike Ross documentary was called Focus and was originally shown on G4 I think. If anyone is interested, the link can be found here. I definitely watched Frag, the Xellos piece, and the MTV episode. I've also read the Masters of Doom book, which was awesome. Thanks for the names of everything else. Like you, it's fascinating to see that other communities love their respective games as much as the BW and SC2 scenes love their games....or hopefully do love the games. | ||
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Thrill
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Tsubbi
Germany7972 Posts
also one thing id like to add is that i really dislike reddit as it tends to emphasize the worst parts of the community, of the 25 front posts there is like 1 post per week about actaal ingame content while the rest is about controversial or generally negative stuff | ||
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SiyaenSokol
South Africa16 Posts
Starcraft is such a massive game, and it just keeps on growing. Mistakes I made in the past was playing the game for the sake of winning, rather than enjoying the game. | ||
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