• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:06
CEST 06:06
KST 13:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!14Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)83Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!18
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" [D] Wireframe Casting Removed
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
Animated Gateway BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion HORROR STARCRAFT MOVIE How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8256 users

The Dunning-Kruger Effect - Page 2

Blogs > Clbull
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
December 19 2012 08:47 GMT
#21
Solid macro alone will get you to master's league. It was true two years ago and is still true now.

It's even still true for Broodwar.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
December 19 2012 09:08 GMT
#22
On December 19 2012 16:56 Ghin wrote:
Sure you can play a thousand games, but if you aren't improving that way, why would you play another thousand? If you want to improve, use your head and then use your time better. Maybe you could try listening to people's advice.

Talent is what bad people call hard work, determination and practice. You might think you're practicing, but you aren't. You're just playing a game a lot.


This. This. You aren't actively trying to improve. You aren't tiring out your brain, getting out of bad habits, and improving upon one single aspect every single game. If you did, you would be Masters in 100/200 games. You are bad, and master players are bad. Pro's? Still make macro and micro mistakes, quite a lot actually. I can get 200/200 at minute 14 whilst pressuring the other player with hellions/drops, can you?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
December 19 2012 11:09 GMT
#23
Being a plat player myself (though I don't play SC2 anymore), I know how you feel. There's only one way to fix it though: Stop feeling entitled. You have played a ridiculous amount of games, yet you're still platinum. That doesn't mean you deserve to be in a higher league, it means you definitely deserve to be in platinum, the MMR system is good enough to put you in a proper place in less than 200 games, of course it has put you in the right place after a few thousand.

You feel embaressed by losing to platinum players, so you don't watch your replays for mistakes. The proper course of action would be to start feeling embaressed about being in platinum and THEREFORE watch your replays for mistakes so you can improve.

Don't buy into the delusion that platinum players are actually really good and that macro doesn't work. It does, you just need to set your standards higher. Calculate your SQ over many ladder games and aim for pro levels. Check your workers at specific points in the game and see what is actually possible. Simplify your game and focus on what matters. I'm not saying you should try to win with masslings/zealots, but instead of using complicated compositions and tons of builds, find 1-2 builds you really like and then perfect them.

When I played the most, I was matched against diamonds consistently and I still considered my macro weak. I had better macro than most platinum players, but there was still massive room for improvement. I'm sure you're in the same situation.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
December 19 2012 15:31 GMT
#24
I wouldn't really advice on watching your replays unless you are GM. The mistakes in platinum are pretty fucking clear and you shouldn't need to watch a replay for most of them. It's a waste of time imo.

Don't buy into the delusion that platinum players are actually really good and that macro doesn't work. It does, you just need to set your standards higher. Calculate your SQ over many ladder games and aim for pro levels. Check your workers at specific points in the game and see what is actually possible. Simplify your game and focus on what matters. I'm not saying you should try to win with masslings/zealots, but instead of using complicated compositions and tons of builds, find 1-2 builds you really like and then perfect them.


And this is really good advice.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
December 19 2012 18:01 GMT
#25
I've got to disagree with Recognisable here. Often I've found myself thinking "Okay, I lost because of X" but when I watch the replay, I find a bunch more mistakes, even if I was right that X was my biggest one. There's no need to watch it in-depth, but just going through on x4 and x8 to check your macro is a good use of your time.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft411
RuFF_SC2 161
Nina 83
FoxeR 64
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3631
Leta 232
Snow 118
ZergMaN 43
Bale 34
NaDa 17
Dota 2
febbydoto15
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 742
Trikslyr56
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1250
minikerr59
Other Games
summit1g6451
WinterStarcraft627
ViBE184
Sick117
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1205
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 95
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo965
• Stunt368
Other Games
• Scarra1802
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
5h 55m
Kung Fu Cup
6h 55m
OSC
19h 55m
CrankTV Team League
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-21
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.