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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
December 19 2012 08:47 GMT
#21
Solid macro alone will get you to master's league. It was true two years ago and is still true now.

It's even still true for Broodwar.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
December 19 2012 09:08 GMT
#22
On December 19 2012 16:56 Ghin wrote:
Sure you can play a thousand games, but if you aren't improving that way, why would you play another thousand? If you want to improve, use your head and then use your time better. Maybe you could try listening to people's advice.

Talent is what bad people call hard work, determination and practice. You might think you're practicing, but you aren't. You're just playing a game a lot.


This. This. You aren't actively trying to improve. You aren't tiring out your brain, getting out of bad habits, and improving upon one single aspect every single game. If you did, you would be Masters in 100/200 games. You are bad, and master players are bad. Pro's? Still make macro and micro mistakes, quite a lot actually. I can get 200/200 at minute 14 whilst pressuring the other player with hellions/drops, can you?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
December 19 2012 11:09 GMT
#23
Being a plat player myself (though I don't play SC2 anymore), I know how you feel. There's only one way to fix it though: Stop feeling entitled. You have played a ridiculous amount of games, yet you're still platinum. That doesn't mean you deserve to be in a higher league, it means you definitely deserve to be in platinum, the MMR system is good enough to put you in a proper place in less than 200 games, of course it has put you in the right place after a few thousand.

You feel embaressed by losing to platinum players, so you don't watch your replays for mistakes. The proper course of action would be to start feeling embaressed about being in platinum and THEREFORE watch your replays for mistakes so you can improve.

Don't buy into the delusion that platinum players are actually really good and that macro doesn't work. It does, you just need to set your standards higher. Calculate your SQ over many ladder games and aim for pro levels. Check your workers at specific points in the game and see what is actually possible. Simplify your game and focus on what matters. I'm not saying you should try to win with masslings/zealots, but instead of using complicated compositions and tons of builds, find 1-2 builds you really like and then perfect them.

When I played the most, I was matched against diamonds consistently and I still considered my macro weak. I had better macro than most platinum players, but there was still massive room for improvement. I'm sure you're in the same situation.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
December 19 2012 15:31 GMT
#24
I wouldn't really advice on watching your replays unless you are GM. The mistakes in platinum are pretty fucking clear and you shouldn't need to watch a replay for most of them. It's a waste of time imo.

Don't buy into the delusion that platinum players are actually really good and that macro doesn't work. It does, you just need to set your standards higher. Calculate your SQ over many ladder games and aim for pro levels. Check your workers at specific points in the game and see what is actually possible. Simplify your game and focus on what matters. I'm not saying you should try to win with masslings/zealots, but instead of using complicated compositions and tons of builds, find 1-2 builds you really like and then perfect them.


And this is really good advice.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
December 19 2012 18:01 GMT
#25
I've got to disagree with Recognisable here. Often I've found myself thinking "Okay, I lost because of X" but when I watch the replay, I find a bunch more mistakes, even if I was right that X was my biggest one. There's no need to watch it in-depth, but just going through on x4 and x8 to check your macro is a good use of your time.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
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