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Due to some shocking posts from some posters and I do not wish to write a long essay on this shitty game:
1.This is a 'whine' blog that I intended to release the BS i got in my games. If you dont have time to watch the replay and wanted to jugde/talk shit on my from merely from a score screen, please don't post. And fyi, thats the score of a hard support look like in a loss game (it wont be much difference in a won game either).
2.This is my CM profile:
https://dotabuff.com/players/34176943
CM Games played: 51 Win rate: 66.67% K/D/A: 2.76
As you can see from my profile i mostly solo queued in my 2k+ games. So please no 'oh your mate carry you'.
If you are not a good support player/never experienced good support nor have decent understanding on meepo, dont post either. This line is directly aimed at some 'veteran' dota players who almost never play support and talked shit on me.
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Decided to write this shit out since i have no friends irl play doto (not around me atm anyway) -_- need a place to release!!!
'wake up, fcking noob'
Match ID: 79751648
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Long story short: Slardar decided that he needed to farm more than Naix. I whined so hard in game and told the team why exactly we needed to finish this game asap but i get was:
Slardar: 'because everything you said is wrong'.
I nearly typed an essay in the game but in short, I said: 'We will see what exactly happen at 45mins'. I said that 30mins before that end game screen shot.
Opponent team was playing very safe and tried so hard to dragging the game out because we had huge advantage in early, free farm Naix, Slardar got his PT+Armlet+Helm before 15mins and WR owned mid. We needed to kill them couple of time in team fights and take T3 to seal the deal but our slardar decided to farm. Even the game went the 'correct' way, furion will still be a huge problem when the game dragging late (we have no pushers/lack of pushing power). But no, slardar said: 'I am doing fine with my 5-1-3', at 20mins. I said: 'you could have gotten 20-1-99 if you come with us'.
Ya, i wish these people without brains go to hell. No, i mean, people without brains (zombies) would still be better if they would listen to you.
Did everything for your team. Play for your team. Retard throws game.
Well, at least he couldn't say a word when the game ended exactly at 45min.
Do i feel good? Do i feel like myself is a better man of 'whining' in a game? Nope. I play for the team and want the best for my team. When i see a player like that i just want to win the game and gtfo to next game.
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You know what guys, you CLEARLY did not watch that game and talk shit in my face for 'a hardsupport can really do something in that game'.
From the guy who wrote that 'how to play support' guide for TL. I am strongly disappointed at some posters. Don't post if you dont know shit. Please.
I am so damn lazy to type a long essay for that game to explain to you guys why/how etc but ya, you just look at the score screen and judge everything on that lol.
 
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Your teamfight participation is very lacking. Based on what I've seen in your support guide and this screenshot, it says to me that you lack the knowledge to play support well in the early to midgame phase. Even if Slardar refused to participate, there are 1-3 other heroes you can help to get easy kills. Your items aren't very useful either, what good is Sange compared to having a completed Buckler, Force Staff, or Ghost Scepter?
Don't solely blame the Slardar for your game's outcome, you're partially at fault too.
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Why are you playing support in pubs? Just go mid brah. Not worth it to support in pubs.
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Wait, are you Father Pucci? If so it looks like you're the reason your team lost.
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On December 17 2012 07:29 blahz0r wrote:
Your teamfight participation is very lacking. Based on what I've seen in your support guide and this screenshot, it says to me that you lack the knowledge to play support well in the early to midgame phase. Even if Slardar refused to participate, there are 1-3 other heroes you can help to get easy kills. Your items aren't very useful either, what good is Sange compared to having a completed Buckler, Force Staff, or Ghost Scepter?
Don't solely blame the Slardar for your game's outcome, you're partially at fault too.
what this p00pz0r said
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You have the better late game... As long as your locking down that prophet I dont see how you lose. Also, why do you a senge instead of a ghost scepter? The slardar's HoD should of been a vlads but other than that his build seems fine.
With a slardar on your team and from what I can read, an early game advantage, try to ward rosh and get your team to take it once or twice. It also helps because with aegis it makes them WANT to push rather than it being a huge hassle.
O and personally, blink > mek on CM. ^^
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Lol.. ironic that you wrote a guide on support...
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On December 17 2012 07:29 blahz0r wrote:
Your teamfight participation is very lacking. Based on what I've seen in your support guide and this screenshot, it says to me that you lack the knowledge to play support well in the early to midgame phase. Even if Slardar refused to participate, there are 1-3 other heroes you can help to get easy kills. Your items aren't very useful either, what good is Sange compared to having a completed Buckler, Force Staff, or Ghost Scepter?
Don't solely blame the Slardar for your game's outcome, you're partially at fault too.
hahahaha blahzor.
try to run a CM in any game with an opponent meepo.
And no, there is absolutely nothing i can do in that game. How is a the fault of a hardsupport in that game??? That game is not in very high level and this slardar just decided not to capatalize our early advantage and derping around in the jungle (the whole team wanted to end this asap but no slardar said: 'we won'.).
Like, how can u reply like that when you didnt even watch the replay? My items? The headress was for pipe because you should see this guy how go suicided against a meepo - he has no clue meepo deals HUGE magic damage but at that point seriously NOTHING can help this team.
This game needed to finish before 30mins because NOTHING can deal with that oppo team combo with our line up. Almost 0 AoE and 0 pushing power and YA, a CM can be so helpful - even i got heart+50 armor I still die to Furi in 5hits.
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Why the hell did you get a sange? I mean, yeah, talk about throw.
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On December 17 2012 08:06 WarSame wrote:
Wait, are you Father Pucci? If so it looks like you're the reason your team lost.
On December 17 2012 08:15 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 07:29 blahz0r wrote:
Your teamfight participation is very lacking. Based on what I've seen in your support guide and this screenshot, it says to me that you lack the knowledge to play support well in the early to midgame phase. Even if Slardar refused to participate, there are 1-3 other heroes you can help to get easy kills. Your items aren't very useful either, what good is Sange compared to having a completed Buckler, Force Staff, or Ghost Scepter?
Don't solely blame the Slardar for your game's outcome, you're partially at fault too. what this p00pz0r said
This is not a very high skill game (may be like very skill-ish) and these players have no clue how to capitalize the early advantage. And please, ya, i am bad, by merely looking at the score screen you know how exactly bad i am and i whined here because i caused my team lost. Ya.
People like you are the reasons why that is not worth to play support in pub. That's exactly how a hardsupport's score looks like.
My head hurts on blahzor's 'Even if Slardar refused to participate, there are 1-3 other heroes you can help to get easy kills. '.
Invisible = invincible in pub. I bought sentry/dust like MAD which is why i had NOTHING. We needed Slardar to join fights so badly. That sange was the last minute purchase to allow myself to survive 1 second more in the last (chance) team fight to be something useful.
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On December 17 2012 15:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why the hell did you get a sange? I mean, yeah, talk about throw.
That sange was the last minute purchase to allow myself to survive 1 second more in the last (chance) team fight to be something useful.
I was technically afk in base because I CANT get out of the base. and that 2k gold wouldnt matter what to get for the team, guys, do you guys really want me to explain out everything in the opponent team:
Meepo deals huge magic damage and we didnt have enough aoe/nuker. if the team focused on him, meepos act as a tanky heroes group - team kill him and get raped by the rest; if the team focused on the rest (which will get kited so hard by them and getting damage from meepo), if the team managed to kill the rest of the team, meepo poof will take away all of us.
Not even a pipe can fcking help them because nothing matters at that point.
this blahzor guy and rabidh are the veteran posters on dota2 forum and they knew that i am proud of myself to play support. So ya, i'd rather they dont say anything on it rather than 'wow you so bad please dont play support'.
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On December 17 2012 10:28 Entertaining wrote:
You have the better late game... As long as your locking down that prophet I dont see how you lose. Also, why do you a senge instead of a ghost scepter? The slardar's HoD should of been a vlads but other than that his build seems fine.
With a slardar on your team and from what I can read, an early game advantage, try to ward rosh and get your team to take it once or twice. It also helps because with aegis it makes them WANT to push rather than it being a huge hassle.
O and personally, blink > mek on CM. ^^
Ghost when they have massive magic/aoe damage or Sange for hp buff (and maybe halberd if the game dragged out), it doesnt matter at point. I am poor as fck all game because I have 0 income throughout the game.
Watch the game if you must. Laning phase I gave everything to Slardar (getting sentry at min0, just to make sure you know that how tryhard i was).
All the lanes were fcked up big time because the oppo KNEW they had this by using furion constantly putting pressure on lane and slowly taking back the advantage.
And try blink vs line up like that. Trust me your score will be like, 3-30-5.
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Playing support doesn't mean be a useless ward machine. You participated in 7 kills. The game was essentially 4v5 after 3 minutes, of course you're gonna lose. The fact that you only had 3 deaths with no items and being lvl 11 means you did absolutely nothing. You can argue you did nothing wrong, but you literally did nothing.
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On December 17 2012 15:41 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:28 Entertaining wrote:
You have the better late game... As long as your locking down that prophet I dont see how you lose. Also, why do you a senge instead of a ghost scepter? The slardar's HoD should of been a vlads but other than that his build seems fine.
With a slardar on your team and from what I can read, an early game advantage, try to ward rosh and get your team to take it once or twice. It also helps because with aegis it makes them WANT to push rather than it being a huge hassle.
O and personally, blink > mek on CM. ^^ Ghost when they have massive magic/aoe damage or Sange for hp buff (and maybe halberd if the game dragged out), it doesnt matter at point. I am poor as fck all game because I have 0 income throughout the game. Watch the game if you must. Laning phase I gave everything to Slardar (getting sentry at min0, just to make sure you know that how tryhard i was). All the lanes were fcked up big time because the oppo KNEW they had this by using furion constantly putting pressure on lane and slowly taking back the advantage. And try blink vs line up like that. Trust me your score will be like, 3-30-5.
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic on the blink>mek part...hopefully.
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You know what guys, you CLEARLY did not watch that game and talk shit in my face for 'a hardsupport can really do something in that game'.
From the guy who wrote that 'how to play support' guide for TL. I am strongly disappointed at some posters. Don't post if you dont know shit. Please.
I am so damn lazy to type a long essay for that game to explain to you guys why/how etc but ya, you just look at the score screen and judge everything on that lol.
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On December 17 2012 15:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Playing support doesn't mean be a useless ward machine. You participated in 7 kills. The game was essentially 4v5 after 3 minutes, of course you're gonna lose. The fact that you only had 3 deaths with no items and being lvl 11 means you did absolutely nothing. You can argue you did nothing wrong, but you literally did nothing.
Did you play tlih and i hope you know what you are talking here.
Basically, i dont want go out my base because team wasn't going to team fight, we never cross the river before 30mins. And why? Slardar back to farming in our jungle.
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On December 17 2012 15:43 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 15:41 BurningSera wrote:On December 17 2012 10:28 Entertaining wrote:
You have the better late game... As long as your locking down that prophet I dont see how you lose. Also, why do you a senge instead of a ghost scepter? The slardar's HoD should of been a vlads but other than that his build seems fine.
With a slardar on your team and from what I can read, an early game advantage, try to ward rosh and get your team to take it once or twice. It also helps because with aegis it makes them WANT to push rather than it being a huge hassle.
O and personally, blink > mek on CM. ^^ Ghost when they have massive magic/aoe damage or Sange for hp buff (and maybe halberd if the game dragged out), it doesnt matter at point. I am poor as fck all game because I have 0 income throughout the game. Watch the game if you must. Laning phase I gave everything to Slardar (getting sentry at min0, just to make sure you know that how tryhard i was). All the lanes were fcked up big time because the oppo KNEW they had this by using furion constantly putting pressure on lane and slowly taking back the advantage. And try blink vs line up like that. Trust me your score will be like, 3-30-5. I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic on the blink>mek part...hopefully.
He said we had better late game. Ya sure. On paper?
Do people know how exactly meepo can be played late game?
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So what you're saying is, because you warded and bought sentries/dust but did absolutely nothing productive with them you should expect your team to win 4v5 after you go afk in base. Good support guide.
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On December 17 2012 15:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So what you're saying is, because you warded and bought sentries/dust but did absolutely nothing productive with them you should expect your team to win 4v5 after you go afk in base. Good support guide.
I said and will repeat again, i fcking want to finish the game asap and i immediately went to help mid/bot after i gave slardar pretty much free farm for 12+mins top, so from 12+mins on i was running around to help (in team fights) BUT we couldn't get any kills because Slardar decided to keep farming in forest!!! He is fighting the jungle/farm with naix so we were 3v5 or 4v5(even naix joined) most of the time. We simply cannot go pass the river because we COULDN'T. The only way to break that is we team wipe them with the HELP of slardar.
Look, you can all talk down on me etc etc but I did what i could for the game. Slardar had SICK farm and thats because this fcking CM invested everything on him.
I guess it is very hard for people to understand that how a dedicated support supposed to work. Every click i made was for my team. Every click on my mouse.
Must be really hard to imagine why I was so mad at Slardar because you never experience a good support before.
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Did anyone even watch the replay? Commenting without watching replays is bannable on the SC2 strategy forum.. it's funny.
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Alright I'm watching it now, you are seriously fucking annoying. You just died to save Slardar and you bitch at him anyway in all chat? What?
You also waste alot of time walking back to base or to towers instead of just using a TP which you carry.
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On December 17 2012 16:02 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 15:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So what you're saying is, because you warded and bought sentries/dust but did absolutely nothing productive with them you should expect your team to win 4v5 after you go afk in base. Good support guide. I said and will repeat again, i fcking want to finish the game asap and i immediately went to help mid/bot after i gave slardar pretty much free farm for 12+mins top, so from 12+mins on i was running around to help (in team fights) BUT we couldn't get any kills because Slardar decided to keep farming in forest!!! He is fighting the jungle/farm with naix so we were 3v5 or 4v5(even naix joined) most of the time. We simply cannot go pass the river because we COULDN'T. The only way to break that is we team wipe them with the HELP of slardar. Look, you can all talk down on me etc etc but I did what i could for the game. Slardar had SICK farm and thats because this fcking CM invested everything on him. I guess it is very hard for people to understand that how a dedicated support supposed to work. Every click i made was for my team. Every click on my mouse. Must be really hard to imagine why I was so mad at Slardar because you never experience a good support before.
You were doing mad clicking in circles in your base past 25 minutes.
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Meh, let him whine guys everyone needs to vent. As someone who picks hard support +90% of the time and still is 50 games above 50% 600 games into playing my first 5v5 man rts besides 1 month of LoL before I got my key, you fully have my support to whine about annoying people who think they are l33t carries and then decide they want to fuck up the game because they always know best. We all have our bad moments (as teammates in chat) and ofc none of us are perfect players. Its really annoying as a hard support when you feel like someone on your team is throwing because they think they know better and you have been trying to explain to them a better strategy almost the entire game. It happens and it sucks.
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On December 17 2012 18:27 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Meh, let him whine guys everyone needs to vent. As someone who picks hard support +90% of the time and still is 50 games above 50% 600 games into playing my first 5v5 man rts besides 1 month of LoL before I got my key, you fully have my support to whine about annoying people who think they are l33t carries and then decide they want to fuck up the game because they always know best. We all have our bad moments (as teammates in chat) and ofc none of us are perfect players. Its really annoying as a hard support when you feel like someone on your team is throwing because they think they know better and you have been trying to explain to them a better strategy almost the entire game. It happens and it sucks.
If you feel like you have to make a blog about your shitty game instead of posting it in the QQ thread expect to get criticized.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 18:29 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 18:27 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Meh, let him whine guys everyone needs to vent. As someone who picks hard support +90% of the time and still is 50 games above 50% 600 games into playing my first 5v5 man rts besides 1 month of LoL before I got my key, you fully have my support to whine about annoying people who think they are l33t carries and then decide they want to fuck up the game because they always know best. We all have our bad moments (as teammates in chat) and ofc none of us are perfect players. Its really annoying as a hard support when you feel like someone on your team is throwing because they think they know better and you have been trying to explain to them a better strategy almost the entire game. It happens and it sucks. If you feel like you have to make a blog about your shitty game instead of posting it in the QQ thread expect to get criticized.
Well yes you're right, blogs are fair game (I always feel like I can say whatever I want in blogs and the worst I have to expect is the blogger to be mad at me). But I do sympathize with him whether he is right or wrong about this particular game.
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When you're playing Dota2 and you're feeling down... Just remember: at least you're better than mizu.
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I play support like 90% of my games but I almost never play solo pub - I try to have a buddy or two so that at least a couple of us are coordinated throughout the whole game. Solo is scary.
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rough rough game. I mean you're playing CM and the game didn't end in 30 minutes so you should get used to not being very useful outside of your items anyway... which you didn't have any.
I'd say overall you were just as big a part of this loss as some of the others on your team. not the worst though. lol
Still... you have amplify to use on a meepo with a grand armor buff of a vlads and chainmail vs weaver/na'ix... how can you complain about meepo in the late-game when the only problem was your entire team (including yourself) decided to wear their pants on their heads.
I also have to add... if you are such a great support... why the fuck did you make sange instead of two bracers. "I wanted to survive longer" 60% the cost and it gives you 38 more hp than the sange... plus extra mana... you need to read somebody elses guide.
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On December 17 2012 06:09 BurningSera wrote:Due to some shocking posts from some posters and I do not wish to write a long essay on this shitty game:
1.This is a 'whine' blog that I intended to release the BS i got in my games. If you dont have time to watch the replay and wanted to jugde/talk shit on my from merely from a score screen, please don't post. And fyi, thats the score of a hard support look like in a loss game (it wont be much difference in a won game either). 2.This is my CM profile: https://dotabuff.com/players/34176943CM Games played: 51 Win rate: 66.67% K/D/A: 2.76 As you can see from my profile i mostly solo queued in my 2k+ games. So please no 'oh your mate carry you'. If you are not a good support player/never experienced good support nor have decent understanding on meepo, dont post either. This line is directly aimed at some 'veteran' dota players who almost never play support and talked shit on me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Decided to write this shit out since i have no friends irl play doto (not around me atm anyway) -_- need a place to release!!! 'wake up, fcking noob' Match ID: 79751648 Long story short: Slardar decided that he needed to farm more than Naix. I whined so hard in game and told the team why exactly we needed to finish this game asap but i get was: Slardar: 'because everything you said is wrong'. I nearly typed an essay in the game but in short, I said: 'We will see what exactly happen at 45mins'. I said that 30mins before that end game screen shot. Opponent team was playing very safe and tried so hard to dragging the game out because we had huge advantage in early, free farm Naix, Slardar got his PT+Armlet+Helm before 15mins and WR owned mid. We needed to kill them couple of time in team fights and take T3 to seal the deal but our slardar decided to farm. Even the game went the 'correct' way, furion will still be a huge problem when the game dragging late (we have no pushers/lack of pushing power). But no, slardar said: 'I am doing fine with my 5-1-3', at 20mins. I said: 'you could have gotten 20-1-99 if you come with us'. Ya, i wish these people without brains go to hell. No, i mean, people without brains (zombies) would still be better if they would listen to you. Did everything for your team. Play for your team. Retard throws game. Well, at least he couldn't say a word when the game ended exactly at 45min. Do i feel good? Do i feel like myself is a better man of 'whining' in a game? Nope. I play for the team and want the best for my team. When i see a player like that i just want to win the game and gtfo to next game. EDIT: You know what guys, you CLEARLY did not watch that game and talk shit in my face for 'a hardsupport can really do something in that game'. From the guy who wrote that 'how to play support' guide for TL. I am strongly disappointed at some posters. Don't post if you dont know shit. Please. I am so damn lazy to type a long essay for that game to explain to you guys why/how etc but ya, you just look at the score screen and judge everything on that lol.
Nice edits. =x
Just because you created a "How To Support" guide on TL doesn't mean you're very knowledgeable in that field. Instead of accepting the obviously better suggestions, you would rather be stubborn and blame others for your loss while saying everything you did was in the right. Anyone who has played this game beyond your MMR level can easily see that there were idle times where you did absolutely nothing towards the benefit of your team. Supporting goes well beyond just wards and courier. I guess establishing and holding map control as well as denying your opponents farm is clearly out of your league.
I like the jabs at us telling us that none of us know how to play support. Last I recalled, there was a funny joke going around about the time you published your guide and you put a Sentry Ward blocking your own pull. So again... tell me how is it you're able to pull off this simple mistake when you're the all knowing How to Support guru again?
Please wake up and just admit that you were part of the loss. Denying so is the reason why you cannot become a better player.
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nm this shits from the 17th lol
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