This post is somewhat lengthy, but it means a lot to me and I am at a crossroad in my life where I need assistance. If you have the time, please read it all. There is no TLDR. Thank you.
EDIT: A lot of helpful information in the comments below by myself and others as well. Also I probably won't do the college hiatus idea, that was just thinking out loud. Thanks for all the feedback most of the stuff written in the first post is basically irrelevant at this point.
it's so hard to stay dedicated to SC when all of your friends play LoL ....
I want a chance. Simple as that, an opportunity. Nothing handed to me, and I want to prove myself.
Right now I'm at a point in my life where things aren't going so well. I'm 20 years old (well 20 Jan 20th) in the wrong college, the wrong situations, and I regret each day that goes by that I am that much farther from my goal.
I want to have a chance at going professional in gaming. I'm Diamond in SC2 right now with all races but specifically Terran. I do not cheese, I play well fought macro games that tend to be somewhat lengthy. I love the game. I don't want to be a pro because it is "flashy" or "looks nice." I want to become one because this is my PASSION. It is what I LOVE.
I live for competition. Before playing Starcraft, I was a top end Pitcher in baseball in my town. I always loved the thrill of striving to become better.
However right now, seeing that I am only Diamond, I can't throw things aside like I want to desperately and find a place to stay that will serve as a solid practice environment. Being part of a respected team is what I want more than anything. I want the team enviornmentI felt in baseball, while performing on an individual level.
I want to take a break from college, perhaps only a year to give myself the respect of having at least a TRY at my goal. Otherwise I feel like I'm going to spend the rest of my life regretting not doing so.
This isn't a plea to the community asking for help. I just want advice.
What is the best way to become recognized in the scene and become a part of a team?
I know I can pull it off. I've gone from the very bottom to Diamond so far in SC2 and that's playing maybe half the time the game has been out. I want to be the best I can be, and in order to do that I need a tangible situation where I can show that all the effort I'm putting in is not useless.
Thanks for the advice, and please be constructive.
Dragonfly
P.S. Remember this? "Hyungjoon Becomes A Progamer"
I'm not fortunate enough to be famous like him, and I don't want a slot handed to me, but I want a chance.
On November 19 2012 11:37 Jeremyy wrote: First off, become a much better player. I'd do that before worrying about other stuff.
I've been playing a lot more lately I took a break because things in school were becoming real rough, and there was the hurricane and everything near me.
Are there any respected lower level teams that may have an establishment that exists for players that are not in their main roster? I'm not even looking for a salary just something/somewhere to maintain the lifestyle required to train.
The Steps IMO Set up a Stream and stream everything you play even if you never get viewers Quantic has a video of how to get a successful stream I don't know where it is Mark from Quantic made it I believe 1. You Ladder like nuts 35-50 or more games a day everyday 7 days a week. 2. Once you get to GM level or High Master you Participate in as Many online Tournaments as you can 3. Be chatty with the players in the Tournaments make friends 4. GET YOU'RE ASS TO MARS I MEAN LANS - get to local lans go to MLGs It does wonders for you look at players like Shew, Illusion, Scarlett that is how they got popular.
On November 19 2012 11:53 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: The Steps IMO Set up a Stream and stream everything you play even if you never get viewers Quantic has a video of how to get a successful stream I don't know where it is Mark from Quantic made it I believe 1. You Ladder like nuts 35-50 or more games a day everyday 7 days a week. 2. Once you get to GM level or High Master you Participate in as Many online Tournaments as you can 3. Be chatty with the players in the Tournaments make friends 4. GET YOU'RE ASS TO MARS I MEAN LANS - get to local lans go to MLGs It does wonders for you look at players like Shew, Illusion, Scarlett that is how they got popular.
Okay thank you. There aren't really any lans near me besides providence when MLG comes around though...
DO NOT GIVE UP COLLEGE. Seriously, it just isn't an option, as eSports isn't as big as everyone may think. If you give up school, and your attempt at becoming a progamer fails, you're going to be screwed.
Join a team that has a 'community' such as xO (and oGaming ofc). You can get tips from the higher players to learn, also, you find good practise partners from that. 99% chance, you will get better at StarCraft. Trust me, being a progamer isn't as glamourous as you make it out to be. Take a look at this article written by Torte. It will help a lot.
If it's just for the sake of being a part of eSports, there are other jobs that aren't playing. Such as editors, producers, sound guys, et cetera.
On November 19 2012 12:00 Ero-Sennin wrote: You want to be a professional, hmmm? You may want to define what that means to you.
Make yourself marketable. What makes you different than everyone else?
Ahh I see you are a member of the Col Academy.
As for what makes myself marketable I'll split it up between 2 categories, personality and gameplay:
Personality:
I am extremely outgoing and quickly conform to groups. I am not loud or noisy or rambunctious. I respect my family and friends and others around me. I have a younger brother that is 2 and a half years younger than me that I do absolutely everything with. We picked up SC2 together and have been playing the game on and off since. We discuss strategies, mechanics, and pretty much everything we enjoy in and out of SC2. (It reminds me of Tasteless and Day9 a bit..)
A few years after he was born I swore to be the best older brother I could ever be. I have kept that promise, have kept my morals high, and have made the right decisions, which makes me an excellent role model for him and also helps us be great friends.
I have the mindset that will allow me to go far. I have an "always moving forward" mindset where even if I suffer a loss, I push it aside and worry about the future and not gloom over the past. This mindset allowed me to become extremely successful in baseball.
Gameplay:
Now you must be wondering "How can a Diamond player stick out?" Well allow me to answer that for you. I play macro games for the most part. When people here the term "macro games" they picture standard gameplay. However, I like to mix things up a bit. I tend to use unit compositions that may not be part of the current meta, and do quite well with them. I also of course, stick to standard play and my mechanics allow me to compete with even some top tier masters players.
I have participated in some of the online tournaments such as the Playhem NA dailies, where I won a King of the Hill back when, which was nice because it allowed me to compete in a tournament environment.
That sums up a lot of it, I don't want to write too much for you to have to read
By the way, Complexity is awesome and I hope you do well in the Academy.
Dragonfly
EDIT: As far as being a professional, to me that means being on a well respected team and preferably having a chance to live in a team house or some sort of team environment that leads to success. I don't need the riches, just a shot.
Also I am reading your blogs right now, they help a lot.
On November 19 2012 12:08 Master of DalK wrote: DO NOT GIVE UP COLLEGE. Seriously, it just isn't an option, as eSports isn't as big as everyone may think. If you give up school, and your attempt at becoming a progamer fails, you're going to be screwed.
Join a team that has a 'community' such as xO (and oGaming ofc). You can get tips from the higher players to learn, also, you find good practise partners from that. 99% chance, you will get better at StarCraft. Trust me, being a progamer isn't as glamourous as you make it out to be. Take a look at this article written by Torte. It will help a lot.
If it's just for the sake of being a part of eSports, there are other jobs that aren't playing. Such as editors, producers, sound guys, et cetera.
I would never sacrifice college. However I would like to do maybe a one year hiatus to give this a shot or just try to become better while still dealing with the struggles of school. I may move out next year in an apartment with my friends so maybe that will help.
Also I want to be a player specifically, other things are nice but I am very competitive.
On November 19 2012 12:08 Master of DalK wrote: DO NOT GIVE UP COLLEGE. Seriously, it just isn't an option, as eSports isn't as big as everyone may think. If you give up school, and your attempt at becoming a progamer fails, you're going to be screwed.
Join a team that has a 'community' such as xO (and oGaming ofc). You can get tips from the higher players to learn, also, you find good practise partners from that. 99% chance, you will get better at StarCraft. Trust me, being a progamer isn't as glamourous as you make it out to be. Take a look at this article written by Torte. It will help a lot.
If it's just for the sake of being a part of eSports, there are other jobs that aren't playing. Such as editors, producers, sound guys, et cetera.
I would never sacrifice college. However I would like to do maybe a one year hiatus to give this a shot or just try to become better while still dealing with the struggles of school. I may move out next year in an apartment with my friends so maybe that will help.
Also I want to be a player specifically, other things are nice but I am very competitive.
Getting a seperate place with friends... If they won't bother you during practise sessions, go for it! But don't take a year off school. It just puts you out of place, especially if you're going into a more requiring program (such as engineering). As Ero-Sennin said, try to market yourselves well, the earlier post you had, basically just copy paste that onto applications to a teams 'community'.
On November 19 2012 12:08 Master of DalK wrote: DO NOT GIVE UP COLLEGE. Seriously, it just isn't an option, as eSports isn't as big as everyone may think. If you give up school, and your attempt at becoming a progamer fails, you're going to be screwed.
Join a team that has a 'community' such as xO (and oGaming ofc). You can get tips from the higher players to learn, also, you find good practise partners from that. 99% chance, you will get better at StarCraft. Trust me, being a progamer isn't as glamourous as you make it out to be. Take a look at this article written by Torte. It will help a lot.
If it's just for the sake of being a part of eSports, there are other jobs that aren't playing. Such as editors, producers, sound guys, et cetera.
I would never sacrifice college. However I would like to do maybe a one year hiatus to give this a shot or just try to become better while still dealing with the struggles of school. I may move out next year in an apartment with my friends so maybe that will help.
Also I want to be a player specifically, other things are nice but I am very competitive.
Getting a seperate place with friends... If they won't bother you during practise sessions, go for it! But don't take a year off school. It just puts you out of place, especially if you're going into a more requiring program (such as engineering). As Ero-Sennin said, try to market yourselves well, the earlier post you had, basically just copy paste that onto applications to a teams 'community'.
Okay thanks.
My friends don't really play SC2 but they respect it enough to give me my own practice time when need be.
On November 19 2012 11:53 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: The Steps IMO Set up a Stream and stream everything you play even if you never get viewers Quantic has a video of how to get a successful stream I don't know where it is Mark from Quantic made it I believe 1. You Ladder like nuts 35-50 or more games a day everyday 7 days a week. 2. Once you get to GM level or High Master you Participate in as Many online Tournaments as you can 3. Be chatty with the players in the Tournaments make friends 4. GET YOU'RE ASS TO MARS I MEAN LANS - get to local lans go to MLGs It does wonders for you look at players like Shew, Illusion, Scarlett that is how they got popular.
Okay thank you. There aren't really any lans near me besides providence when MLG comes around though...
You have to look around Call all the Internet cafes and stuff in the area you would be surprised about how many tournaments you are missing
On November 19 2012 11:53 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: The Steps IMO Set up a Stream and stream everything you play even if you never get viewers Quantic has a video of how to get a successful stream I don't know where it is Mark from Quantic made it I believe 1. You Ladder like nuts 35-50 or more games a day everyday 7 days a week. 2. Once you get to GM level or High Master you Participate in as Many online Tournaments as you can 3. Be chatty with the players in the Tournaments make friends 4. GET YOU'RE ASS TO MARS I MEAN LANS - get to local lans go to MLGs It does wonders for you look at players like Shew, Illusion, Scarlett that is how they got popular.
Okay thank you. There aren't really any lans near me besides providence when MLG comes around though...
You have to look around Call all the Internet cafes and stuff in the area you would be surprised about how many tournaments you are missing
On November 19 2012 12:21 DragonflySC2 wrote: I tweeted this out to some pro players that are still playing and some retired so maybe I can get some of their feedback as well.
On November 19 2012 12:21 DragonflySC2 wrote: I tweeted this out to some pro players that are still playing and some retired so maybe I can get some of their feedback as well.
Well I wouldn't drop out of college. Honestly if you can't get masters while being in college you probably aren't going to ever become a pro.
I for example am in college full time, have a job and I can still play sc2 5 hours a day minimum if I wanted to and am in masters. Before dropping out of college or taking a break or anything you should be masters preferably mid-high before you can think of taking a year off.
Imo I don't think you should take a year off even then as it's really, really hard to get your name out there let alone actually becoming good and joining a good team.
On November 19 2012 12:26 blade55555 wrote: Well I wouldn't drop out of college. Honestly if you can't get masters while being in college you probably aren't going to ever become a pro.
I for example am in college full time, have a job and I can still play sc2 5 hours a day minimum if I wanted to and am in masters. Before dropping out of college or taking a break or anything you should be masters preferably mid-high before you can think of taking a year off.
Imo I don't think you should take a year off even then as it's really, really hard to get your name out there let alone actually becoming good and joining a good team.
Yea I don't think I could ditch college even if I wanted to. My parents really push me to graduate and get my Software Engineering degree.
Just a question, how many games have you played total? Most people who end up at the top make Masters relatively fast and struggle-free from the start even though they take it as a hobby.
Which is why, the advice ''be good before you even start thinking about going pro'' is valid. You are Diamond, and you've been playing this game for at least a year if I understood correctly. That isn't reassuring the least.
It's something I've noticed about many players. Some people simply just ''have it'' and some people don't. You can see people in Gold league with over a thousand games and their still stuck there, while some few other players can learn the game at a Master level in less a than few hundred games (including me) and some are even more insane like that German kid in BW. (Forgot his name, sorry.) Yet some of those gold players dream of going pro someday. Betting against it.
In SC2 it is very EASY to become known. How? Go and win. Win more than others. Sign up for those weekly tournies and win. This isn't LoL or Dota where it's about 5 players and individual skill is less important. Here it is everything. The more you win, the tougher opponents you beat, the more recognition you will earn which in return means you will get a following. If you beat high caliber opponents, teams will contact you. Simple as that.
Your still Diamond. If you can't make it to Masters without a team or a coach even after playing for a long time, you just don't have it. This game isn't that hard. I guarantee that a massive majority of the people in GM or high Masters are simply people playing from their bedrooms after school or work. If you can't even get to Masters without a ''proper environment' then I would bet against you making it pro.
Personality, how marketable you are etc, are not important at all at the moment. You draw attention to yourself because of your skill, the rest follows automatically. People like Scarlett got popular not because they went to lans, but because they beat people.
Not trying to be mean but a dose of reality is always good when thinking about stuff like this.
On November 19 2012 12:39 NonFactor wrote: Just a question, how many games have you played total? Most people who end up at the top make Masters relatively fast and struggle-free from the start even though they take it as a hobby.
Which is why, the advice ''be good before you even start thinking about going pro'' is valid. You are Diamond, and you've been playing this game for at least a year if I understood correctly. That isn't reassuring the least.
It's something I've noticed about many players. Some people simply just ''have it'' and some people don't. You can see people in Gold league with over a thousand games and their still stuck there, while some few other players can learn the game at a Master level in less a than few hundred games (including me) and some are even more insane like that German kid in BW. (Forgot his name, sorry.) Yet some of those gold players dream of going pro someday. Betting against it.
In SC2 it is very EASY to become known. How? Go and win. Win more than others. Sign up for those weekly tournies and win. This isn't LoL or Dota where it's about 5 players and individual skill is less important. Here it is everything. The more you win, the tougher opponents you beat, the more recognition you will earn which in return means you will get a following. If you beat high caliber opponents, teams will contact you. Simple as that.
Your still Diamond. If you can't make it to Masters without a team or a coach even after playing for a long time, you just don't have it. This game isn't that hard. I guarantee that a massive majority of the people in GM or high Masters are simply people playing from their bedrooms after school or work. If you can't even get to Masters without a ''proper environment' then I would bet against you making it pro.
Personality, how marketable you are etc, are not important at all at the moment. You draw attention to yourself because of your skill, the rest follows automatically. People like Scarlett got popular not because they went to lans, but because they beat people.
Not trying to be mean but a dose of reality is always good when thinking about stuff like this.
I just posted this now to get feedback from people, I know I can't be picked up onto a team as a Diamond league player. I have multiple accounts I started off as Protoss, went to Zerg, and settled with Terran. I have played around probably 600 - 700 games total and have gone from Bronze to Diamond in about half the time spand the game has been out.
On the contrary, I believe while natural skill is important, people who show vast improvement also have a place in the pro scene if they can reach the top.
Thanks for the advice
EDIT: I'm shooting for Masters for before HotS comes out.
EDIT2: Also my brother started in silver and climbed to Master's so I think I can do it
Don't take a break from college, a whole year for something that's unproductive (and even if you do become a professional or part of a professional team, you'll be earning less than minimum wage a month).
There are plenty of people who are doing school and playing professionally such as Ostojiy and Suppy. They did not take a break from school and they didn't "drop everything" to give it a shot. It's all gradual and it all comes with putting what time you have towards getting better.
You're Diamond, whatever ladder games you're playing now is sufficient until you reach Masters. When you hit masters, try Playhem tournaments and other smaller tournaments that give out daily/weekly prizes. You'll be playing against some of the best both in EU, NA and Korea as all pros play there.
Come back here and tell us about your progress then. Teams like players with achievements, academies like those who have the ability to be amongst the best and have some minor achievements. If you have neither of those, you shouldn't try for it exclusively.
Believe me, I've managed several teams ranging from smaller groups to more professional teams and your sense of "professional training" is a bit off-field. Players practice, but there's a lot of individual training on ladder and analysis. Things you can do on your own.
Bottom-line is: don't be an idiot, keep going to school. If you like competition, you have the avenues to reach Masters or even GM.
seriously.
eing part of a respected team is what I want more than anything. I want the team enviornmentI felt in baseball, while performing on an individual level.
You won't get this on the vast majority of teams.
I want to take a break from college, perhaps only a year to give myself the respect of having at least a TRY at my goal. Otherwise I feel like I'm going to spend the rest of my life regretting not doing so.
You're gonna regret it if you do it.
If you think I'm shitting on you and trying to be your conscience, think again. You're not being realistic and you're not really rationalizing this out, you're just thinking out loud.
On November 19 2012 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote: Don't take a break from college, a whole year for something that's unproductive (and even if you do become a professional or part of a professional team, you'll be earning less than minimum wage a month).
There are plenty of people who are doing school and playing professionally such as Ostojiy and Suppy. They did not take a break from school and they didn't "drop everything" to give it a shot. It's all gradual and it all comes with putting what time you have towards getting better.
You're Diamond, whatever ladder games you're playing now is sufficient until you reach Masters. When you hit masters, try Playhem tournaments and other smaller tournaments that give out daily/weekly prizes. You'll be playing against some of the best both in EU, NA and Korea as all pros play there.
Come back here and tell us about your progress then. Teams like players with achievements, academies like those who have the ability to be amongst the best and have some minor achievements. If you have neither of those, you shouldn't try for it exclusively.
Believe me, I've managed several teams ranging from smaller groups to more professional teams and your sense of "professional training" is a bit off-field. Players practice, but there's a lot of individual training on ladder and analysis. Things you can do on your own.
Bottom-line is: don't be an idiot, keep going to school. If you like competition, you have the avenues to reach Masters or even GM.
eing part of a respected team is what I want more than anything. I want the team enviornmentI felt in baseball, while performing on an individual level.
I want to take a break from college, perhaps only a year to give myself the respect of having at least a TRY at my goal. Otherwise I feel like I'm going to spend the rest of my life regretting not doing so.
You're gonna regret it if you do it.
If you think I'm shitting on you and trying to be your conscience, think again. You're not being realistic and you're not really rationalizing this out, you're just thinking out loud.
In regards to quitting college, it's not the worst thing in the world to take a year off. Probably the best thing you can do is start applying for jobs. If you get a part-time job at a restaurant or coffee shop or something then you can afford to play SC2 with the rest of your time. Wannabe novelists, actors, etc. do this, so no reason why aspiring progamers can't do the same. Plus, having a part-time job can really help when you go back to college. Of course it's not a great idea for people who know exactly what they want to do and can focus on their studies, but if you want to explore your options it gives you some money to work with.
I probably won't be considering the college hiatus idea much because my family really wants me to finish within the 4 year time period for my Software Engineering degree.
OP wants to quit college to play video games? Think McFly think! Seriously dude the way SC2 proscene is going it will be dead in a year, just keep doing college and play games as a hobby.
On November 19 2012 13:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: OP wants to quit college to play video games? Think McFly think! Seriously dude the way SC2 proscene is going it will be dead in a year, just keep doing college and play games as a hobby.
the sc2 proscene won't be dead in a year, I could bet you anything it won't be lol.
On November 19 2012 13:23 Glurkenspurk wrote: I've been a high master player for quite a while now, and I've had no such luck. Good luck though, it's a lot harder than you think.
I would do anything to be a pro but it's so incredibly hard to stay motivated after years of no luck.
Thanks for the GL.
I know what you mean about the motivation part, I hit a bit of a wall after I first reached Diamond but I started climbing again.
Good luck man, fight for your dreams if you want to!
just play in tournaments and do well. that's really all it takes. Make friends on teams or at least notoriety by beating well known players in events. Stream consistently to attract fans and perform consistently. It's possible to do a lot while still in school - there are a number of players who did or currently are in school while progaming.
On November 19 2012 14:20 qxc wrote: just play in tournaments and do well. that's really all it takes. Make friends on teams or at least notoriety by beating well known players in events. Stream consistently to attract fans and perform consistently. It's possible to do a lot while still in school - there are a number of players who did or currently are in school while progaming.
glhf
Thanks for taking time to respond QXC I really appreciate it
It means a lot hearing from someone that graduated from college and currently is a progamer. It's hard to get viewers as a new streamer but I'll stream daily and see if I can get some number of consistent viewers.
Thanks again and gl with everything you do.
Dragonfly
EDIT:
P.S. You're basically the reason I switched to terran lol. We hung out a while at MLG Raleigh 2 summers ago with some kid from the crowd and my brother. So thanks again man.
On November 19 2012 14:20 qxc wrote: just play in tournaments and do well. that's really all it takes. Make friends on teams or at least notoriety by beating well known players in events. Stream consistently to attract fans and perform consistently. It's possible to do a lot while still in school - there are a number of players who did or currently are in school while progaming.
glhf
It's hard now though, especially when even the $20 tournaments are going to have korean pros in them.
Until you're high masters, there's really no point in asking for a chance because even if you got one, it wouldn't last. Hyeong Jun got "a chance" as a big TV project because he was popular as hell back then, and BW was popular as hell, so it was an amazing idea for a TV show. Should be noted that he never got really good at the game or anything and from a competitive standpoint, it was obviously a pretty useless measure. Even if you suddenly got a stream and 4000 people gave you a chance and watched it, none of them would stay, which is sad but true, there's so many people streaming, a ton of them grandmaster and a ton of them really funny, there's no space for someone who isn't good enough to impress.
Don't ask for a chance, just keep working towards your goal, try to become better at the game. When you're good enough to impress, people will come, and you will get your chance.
face the truth. you're diamond after 1 year of playing sc2. if you keep working hard, you can have your shot in 3 or 4 years maybe. but right now you're diamond. other people made it from scrub to grandmaster in 1 year.
On November 19 2012 11:37 Jeremyy wrote: First off, become a much better player. I'd do that before worrying about other stuff.
I've been playing a lot more lately I took a break because things in school were becoming real rough, and there was the hurricane and everything near me.
Are there any respected lower level teams that may have an establishment that exists for players that are not in their main roster? I'm not even looking for a salary just something/somewhere to maintain the lifestyle required to train.
Please just get to High Master/GM before even considering going pro. You aren't nearly good enough. Frankly you are quite terrible. After all this time still diamond? Awful. Excuse my rudeness. Don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. You aren't even good enough to understand how terrible you are. I was high master, hell even got into GM one season when I played, on average 2 hours a day. This is when I understood how terrible I truly was and that I atleast had to put in 6+ hours a day to have a chance at going pro.
On November 19 2012 11:37 Jeremyy wrote: First off, become a much better player. I'd do that before worrying about other stuff.
I've been playing a lot more lately I took a break because things in school were becoming real rough, and there was the hurricane and everything near me.
Are there any respected lower level teams that may have an establishment that exists for players that are not in their main roster? I'm not even looking for a salary just something/somewhere to maintain the lifestyle required to train.
Please just get to High Master/GM before even considering going pro. You aren't nearly good enough. Frankly you are quite terrible. After all this time still diamond? Awful. Excuse my rudeness. Don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. You aren't even good enough to understand how terrible you are. I was high master, hell even got into GM one season when I played, on average 2 hours a day. This is when I understood how terrible I truly was and that I atleast had to put in 6+ hours a day to have a chance at going pro.
On November 19 2012 11:37 Jeremyy wrote: First off, become a much better player. I'd do that before worrying about other stuff.
I've been playing a lot more lately I took a break because things in school were becoming real rough, and there was the hurricane and everything near me.
Are there any respected lower level teams that may have an establishment that exists for players that are not in their main roster? I'm not even looking for a salary just something/somewhere to maintain the lifestyle required to train.
Please just get to High Master/GM before even considering going pro. You aren't nearly good enough. Frankly you are quite terrible. After all this time still diamond? Awful. Excuse my rudeness. Don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. You aren't even good enough to understand how terrible you are. I was high master, hell even got into GM one season when I played, on average 2 hours a day. This is when I understood how terrible I truly was and that I atleast had to put in 6+ hours a day to have a chance at going pro.
I'll be sure to message you after my success.
See you then.
You are delusional. I will post in again in this blog in a year. You really don't understand how terrible you are. Going from Bronze to Diamond is a completely different beast than going from low Master to high Master, not to mention going from your regular GM player to pro.
On November 19 2012 11:37 Jeremyy wrote: First off, become a much better player. I'd do that before worrying about other stuff.
I've been playing a lot more lately I took a break because things in school were becoming real rough, and there was the hurricane and everything near me.
Are there any respected lower level teams that may have an establishment that exists for players that are not in their main roster? I'm not even looking for a salary just something/somewhere to maintain the lifestyle required to train.
Please just get to High Master/GM before even considering going pro. You aren't nearly good enough. Frankly you are quite terrible. After all this time still diamond? Awful. Excuse my rudeness. Don't waste your life chasing an impossible dream. You aren't even good enough to understand how terrible you are. I was high master, hell even got into GM one season when I played, on average 2 hours a day. This is when I understood how terrible I truly was and that I atleast had to put in 6+ hours a day to have a chance at going pro.
I'll be sure to message you after my success.
See you then.
You are delusional. I will post in again in this blog in a year. You really don't understand how terrible you are. Going from Bronze to Diamond is a completely different beast than going from low Master to high Master, not to mention going from your regular GM player to pro.
See you in a year. That's if you don't see me first.
My good friend cEngyn may be someone who could potentially consider going pro and keep in mind everything he has accomplished is while taking an engineering degree at university. Even with the tournaments he has won, consistently being in top 50 GM and recently placing in loser's round 7 of MLG I would never recommend him to drop his engineering degree to try and become a pro gamer.
In pro gaming, at the grand majority of tournaments (Not including WCS finals where each player made atleast 2k) you get absolutely nothing even if you place in the top 16 or 32 aside from recognition. Im pretty sure suppy, the highest placing American in the last MLG, essentially received 0$ from his placement.
I would stay in school, and if you can hit high gm's while being successful in your courses, maybe consider progaming.
On November 20 2012 06:55 KingDime wrote: My good friend cEngyn may be someone who could potentially consider going pro and keep in mind everything he has accomplished is while taking an engineering degree at university. Even with the tournaments he has won, consistently being in top 50 GM and recently placing in loser's round 7 of MLG I would never recommend him to drop his engineering degree to try and become a pro gamer.
In pro gaming, at the grand majority of tournaments (Not including WCS finals where each player made atleast 2k) you get absolutely nothing even if you place in the top 16 or 32 aside from recognition. Im pretty sure suppy, the highest placing American in the last MLG, essentially received 0$ from his placement.
I would stay in school, and if you can hit high gm's while being successful in your courses, maybe consider progaming.
Don't listen to anyone in this thread! You hit Diamond League, which is no joke. That's actually really, really good. You have great potential to be one of the best in the world, so if you quit college to pursue your dream, I would be behind you 1000%. I believe you have the motivation and drive to achieve your dream, so you need to go for it!
On November 20 2012 07:10 ninazerg wrote: Don't listen to anyone in this thread! You hit Diamond League, which is no joke. That's actually really, really good. You have great potential to be one of the best in the world, so if you quit college to pursue your dream, I would be behind you 1000%. I believe you have the motivation and drive to achieve your dream, so you need to go for it!
So you've played less than 10 games a week since the game launched, or about 15 if you started playing a year ago. It doesn't seem that you're very passionate at all, I have friends that right now that study full-time, have a part time job, and still manage over 150 games a week playing in high masters-gm.
From my own experience, race doesn't really matter. I've been in high masters(diamond at launch) since day 1 as toss and when I decided to switch to T I pretty much lost a few games but was right on track again. If you practice correctly, on any level below pro, the mechanics carry over between the races, there is no "switch" to make, so just be sure to not overdo your "race practice" before you hit high masters and focus on your mechanics.
Also, you have to understand and use sc2ranks.com.
I cant really speak for US but here in EU its like this.
High masters EU players perspective:
Bronze-Diamond: I can't even tell the difference between these players, you get away with anything against these guys. You are here.
Low masters(rank 10000+ masters on sc2ranks): These people execute decent buildorders, but are generally pushovers.
Mid masters(rank 5000-10000): This is where you can start seing some nice executions of builds from time to time, but you can STILL generally do anything you want as long as its not 4 base on 1 gate.
Mid-high masters(rank 1000-5000): You'll find ok practice from these players and they are generally the one trying to improve to get into higher ranks, so you see much more solid play and generally well-executed openers and reactions and these players can take a game from anyone in the world.
High masters(rank 1-1000) & GM: The difference between these players and GM's is pretty much non-existant, remember that GM is top 200 from the first days of a season. You get good practice and if you can hold a 55%+ winrate here you'll be eligible for GM in the upcoming season as long as you try and stay in top 1000(lots of people are inactive but sit on huge mmrs here). Here is where you go beyond build orders and actual skill starts to matter, and you need to start practicing not only your mechanics but getting "that extra edge".
Pro players: You need to be able to treat mid-high masters like they treat bronze-diamonds. I dont even know what it takes to get here since Im still on the last step and will probably be forever since i play ~10 games a week. But if you cant reach high masters while holding something down fulltime, especially something as easy as college and a part-time job to support yourself, then its my opinion you have no chance.
Its one hell of a journey, and if you get to mid-high masters in one year I'll be might impressed, best of luck!
On November 20 2012 07:43 Nihilnovi wrote: So you've played less than 10 games a week since the game launched, or about 15 if you started playing a year ago. It doesn't seem that you're very passionate at all, I have friends that right now that study full-time, have a part time job, and still manage over 150 games a week playing in high masters-gm.
From my own experience, race doesn't really matter. I've been in high masters(diamond at launch) since day 1 as toss and when I decided to switch to T I pretty much lost a few games but was right on track again. If you practice correctly, on any level below pro, the mechanics carry over between the races, there is no "switch" to make, so just be sure to not overdo your "race practice" before you hit high masters and focus on your mechanics.
Also, you have to understand and use sc2ranks.com.
I cant really speak for US but here in EU its like this.
High masters EU players perspective:
Bronze-Diamond: I can't even tell the difference between these players, you get away with anything against these guys. You are here.
Low masters(rank 10000+ masters on sc2ranks): These people execute decent buildorders, but are generally pushovers.
Mid masters(rank 5000-10000): This is where you can start seing some nice executions of builds from time to time, but you can STILL generally do anything you want as long as its not 4 base on 1 gate.
Mid-high masters(rank 1000-5000): You'll find ok practice from these players and they are generally the one trying to improve to get into higher ranks, so you see much more solid play and generally well-executed openers and reactions and these players can take a game from anyone in the world.
High masters(rank 1-1000) & GM: The difference between these players and GM's is pretty much non-existant, remember that GM is top 200 from the first days of a season. You get good practice and if you can hold a 55%+ winrate here you'll be eligible for GM in the upcoming season as long as you try and stay in top 1000(lots of people are inactive but sit on huge mmrs here). Here is where you go beyond build orders and actual skill starts to matter, and you need to start practicing not only your mechanics but getting "that extra edge".
Pro players: You need to be able to treat mid-high masters like they treat bronze-diamonds. I dont even know what it takes to get here since Im still on the last step and will probably be forever since i play ~10 games a week. But if you cant reach high masters while holding something down fulltime, especially something as easy as college and a part-time job to support yourself, then its my opinion you have no chance.
Its one hell of a journey, and if you get to mid-high masters in one year I'll be might impressed, best of luck!
Thanks buddy
I really enjoy reading the perspectives. Hopefully I'll get master's soon to start that entire journey.
On November 20 2012 07:10 ninazerg wrote: Don't listen to anyone in this thread! You hit Diamond League, which is no joke. That's actually really, really good. You have great potential to be one of the best in the world, so if you quit college to pursue your dream, I would be behind you 1000%. I believe you have the motivation and drive to achieve your dream, so you need to go for it!
I think I'll just get better while in college and see what happens afterward lol thanks though man.
Don't take that person seriously, I can gaurantee it nina is just messing around as nina is a huge sc2 hater, considering most posts I see are of hatred of sc2 and not one that it's even decent, just pure hatred ^^.
On November 20 2012 07:10 ninazerg wrote: Don't listen to anyone in this thread! You hit Diamond League, which is no joke. That's actually really, really good. You have great potential to be one of the best in the world, so if you quit college to pursue your dream, I would be behind you 1000%. I believe you have the motivation and drive to achieve your dream, so you need to go for it!
I think I'll just get better while in college and see what happens afterward lol thanks though man.
Don't take that person seriously, I can gaurantee it nina is just messing around as nina is a huge sc2 hater, considering most posts I see are of hatred of sc2 and not one that it's even decent, just pure hatred ^^.
On November 20 2012 07:10 ninazerg wrote: Don't listen to anyone in this thread! You hit Diamond League, which is no joke. That's actually really, really good. You have great potential to be one of the best in the world, so if you quit college to pursue your dream, I would be behind you 1000%. I believe you have the motivation and drive to achieve your dream, so you need to go for it!
I think I'll just get better while in college and see what happens afterward lol thanks though man.
Don't take that person seriously, I can gaurantee it nina is just messing around as nina is a huge sc2 hater, considering most posts I see are of hatred of sc2 and not one that it's even decent, just pure hatred ^^.
Good guy blade ^^
Btw DragonFly, glad to see that you're trying to accomplish your goal! You can make it to masters <3
On November 20 2012 07:10 ninazerg wrote: Don't listen to anyone in this thread! You hit Diamond League, which is no joke. That's actually really, really good. You have great potential to be one of the best in the world, so if you quit college to pursue your dream, I would be behind you 1000%. I believe you have the motivation and drive to achieve your dream, so you need to go for it!
I think I'll just get better while in college and see what happens afterward lol thanks though man.
Don't take that person seriously, I can gaurantee it nina is just messing around as nina is a huge sc2 hater, considering most posts I see are of hatred of sc2 and not one that it's even decent, just pure hatred ^^.
Good guy blade ^^
Btw DragonFly, glad to see that you're trying to accomplish your goal! You can make it to masters <3
Thanks bud
I'll post in here whenever I get promoted. I feel like masters by HotS release is an achievable thing. I'm starting to get back into the game slowly, playing 6-12 games a day right now because of school. Come tomorrow I can play much more since I have Thanksgiving break.
No offense but there are people out there who play Starcraft less than 5 hours a week, don't watch vods and still manage to be quite comfortably mid masters. I don't know if this is the right choice for you.
On November 21 2012 01:21 QuanticHawk wrote: if you cant get to at least masters playing regularly with other responsibilites you suck and have no chance
I don't think you guys read edit posts lol.
I said I was going to stay in school and get masters by HotS release while playing in the free time I have.
Also for you guys stating I suck because I only play 6-12 games a day, I stated earlier that I play long macro games and the majority of my games are ~25 minutes disregarding holding all ins
On November 21 2012 03:11 DragonflySC2 wrote: Also for you guys stating I suck because I only play 6-12 games a day, I stated earlier that I play long macro games and the majority of my games are ~25 minutes disregarding holding all ins
Sea played 931 games in 2 months.
That's probably low end for what you should be aiming for if you want to stand out.
On November 21 2012 03:11 DragonflySC2 wrote: Also for you guys stating I suck because I only play 6-12 games a day, I stated earlier that I play long macro games and the majority of my games are ~25 minutes disregarding holding all ins
Sea played 931 games in 2 months.
That's probably low end for what you should be aiming for if you want to stand out.
That's because SC is his job, I have obligations such as school work etc
I would say take a 3 week break (maybe winter break) and focus on SC2 like your life depends on it. If you still have that dream and passion after that, then pursue it further.
On November 22 2012 08:16 SuperKiller wrote: I would say take a 3 week break (maybe winter break) and focus on SC2 like your life depends on it. If you still have that dream and passion after that, then pursue it further.
If you're having motivation issues just because your friends play lol, you're not going to be able to go pro.
Get to at least mid master first, then you start laddering 8-10 hours a day, every day, no matter what. If you keep that up for a few months, you'll probably get to GM, meaning you're about half way there to being pro level, so just keep laddering like that and participate in daily cups and such until you get noticed by a team.
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