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Don't fix the game, overhaul it.

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thegeek574
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States29 Posts
November 16 2012 01:30 GMT
#1
I was watching QXC's Vlog about fixing units, and his thoughts made me really think. What if we no longer worry about lower level players? Brood war was, in part, as successful as it was because it was so hard. What if we made SC2 the same way? For example, the shredder, while not a very good unit in itself, was interesting, and they probably would have been able to make it pretty interesting. However, one of the biggest complaints was that it would be too strong against lower level players that weren't as accustomed to looking at the mini-map, and that it would be too strong as far as parking in mineral lines goes. However, the Lurker and the Reaver drop both fulfilled the same purpose, and no-one ever complained.
Now, before we go any farther, I never got into BW. It was too complex for me at the time. When I did play it I maxed out on stupid stuff over about 30 minutes, couldn't figure out why I couldn't build more than 200 supply of units, built about 50 more pylons trying to figure it out, and then got killed by a easy Zerg AI who had taken the entire map. To put it simply, I sucked. However, I watched some WCG content and other stuff, so I have a foggy idea of what is going on.
Back to units. I agreed with a lot of QXC's premises. I for example, have pretty much stopped watching any matchup involving the Zerg race because I am beyond tired of watching 20 broodlords and an army of infested terrans roflstomp everyone in sight. I have so many games I see where I just say to myself, "well, if the Zerg had done that right, he wouldn't have to have controlled his units. At all." The roach, infestor, broodlord, thor, reaper, marine, corruptor, raven (so far), BC, and the void ray are all units I would love to see overhauled. All of them are either units that are just really boring to watch or are far too good in most situations. There are exceptions, like the raven, which I think has the potential to be incredible, but it just hasn't been "discovered" yet. The standouts in this group are the VR, the corruptor, the infestor, and the BC.
The VR is just horrible as far as having fun goes. Getting VR rushed sucks balls, and they ar generally pretty useless other than that. I would think an interesting ability would be to make it so that charge was a castable spell that drained mana and, instead of increasing damage, each level of charge bounced the attack to another unit. So, for example, 12 broodlords are attacking your base and you attack with the void rays, they bounce attacks off the BL pack and kill them very quickly. The attack wouldn't be very good against large numbers of small units, because it could only target a few. We can't forget mineral lines, though, and so I would suggest lowering the damage and then giving it a large bump back up the original strength in bonus damage to massive.
The corruptor is boring. The attack is incredibly boring, the spell is not worthless, but really doesn't seem that useful, and really doesn't seem all that good. My suggestion would be to remove them from the game and find a way to make mutas more viable. Just a thought.
The Brood lord sucks. There is really no other way to put it. it is just a bit too strong. Something serious needs to happen, like making them stand still while spawning broodlings or something drastic like that. They are just too good and really hard to make exciting.
The BC is the ultimate overkill unit. The main attack puts the beatdown on tier one units, and yamato cannon just destroys everything. It is big, clunky, slow, and somewhat worthless. Thought: make yamato cannon do less damage and fire faster. maybe a missile barrage like in the campaign. Something that makes the unit something everyone is afraid of, not a joke.

If you think I'm wrong, that is beyond fine. I have no problem with you telling me how wrong I am. It's fine. What do you think? I am just thinking out loud.

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fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
November 16 2012 01:37 GMT
#2
You need to format this first. No one could read this. Put some indents or paragraphs or something. Right now it's just a wall of text.

Also most of these abilities would be ridiculously OP. I don't think anyone would endorse most of these changes as they would fundamentally break the game. Other than your statement about infestor broodlord being OP and boring I don't really agree with anything in this post.
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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
November 16 2012 01:54 GMT
#3
My thought is that while some things balance wise are going to eventually need to be dealt with as players get fundamentally better, a lot of the complaining is from people that genuinely are having trouble coping with the game they have. SC2 is SC2 is SC2.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
November 16 2012 02:02 GMT
#4
Having read too many balance threads, and gone through the process of feeling like I need to complain about balance through to the other side, I have one suggestion. Don't make it your personal job to balance the game and think about how you could change it. There are people who have that job. You will be happier if you leave it to them.
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Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 05:22:25
November 16 2012 05:20 GMT
#5
Sounds like you have passion for the game, direct it toward something you can actually make a difference doing, and you'll help make the game better then you ever could by talking about changes that'll never happen.

edit: should note, this isn't directed just at you personally, but how I feel about many people who post similar blogs/threads, and I'm a bit irritable tonight so decided to voice it for once lol
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Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 08:08:32
November 16 2012 08:08 GMT
#6
should be in the sc2 section so us BW elitists dont see it. I have to resist the feeling to type how much i hate sc2. but basically I agree blizzard's trying to reach too wide an audience. Wish some companies would make some nerd games. something indepth and complicated. A game you dont just pick up and smash casual players in, something you get slaughtered in alll week then have that * OH* moment... man i love video games.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
November 16 2012 14:47 GMT
#7
The game is fundamentally flawed and a few new units/tweaks won't change this unfortunately. It really does need an overhaul.
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