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Katowice25012 Posts
On November 01 2012 14:58 bokeevboke wrote:
I like talking about history, movies, culture, politics sports. I like deep discussion. With many whys and hows.
"Why people followed Hitler eventhough his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
"Why there are so many swimming disciplines in Olympic games, is it because america wants more free medals?"
Maybe it's just your examples that are bad but the impression I get from this is "guy who wants very badly to appear deep to impress the people around him". None of these are remotely dynamics topics. Given that you apparently have a wife and daughter I'd think your priorities would have shifted a long time ago to more practical things.
On November 01 2012 15:31 hp.Shell wrote:
When it's not cool to be smart, the average person does not want to listen to much of what an intelligent person has to say. I find that the "smarter" you are, the less liked you are by the average person. But there is an area at the higher end of the IQ scale where you can deal with and perhaps even inspire an average person to care more.
This has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with how people present themselves. This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit.
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Fellow Singaporean here.
Anyway, from my experiences you can't really expect to have "deep" conversation with our fellow countrymen.
"Why people followed Hitler even though his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
His ideas were "crazy", sure. However, you have to understand that one thing that lead to the overwhelming support of Hitler was the Treaty of Versailles (ToV), which made many Germans angry. The ToV basically took away industrial land from Germany and gave them to the allied powers, forced Germany to pay reparations (6.6 billion), forced Germany to reduce their military to a pathetic size, and most importantly placed the blame of WWI on Germany. The Germans wanted Germany to be great again because they felt humiliated (esp. since it was a diktat, forced peace), so naturally they followed Hitler who promised them what they wanted ala Lenin's "Peace, Land, and Bread)
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
Global warming, NASAs budget, etc.etc. Kinda vague question.
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
Depends on how you choose to define what rational is or isn't.
On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 14:58 bokeevboke wrote:
I like talking about history, movies, culture, politics sports. I like deep discussion. With many whys and hows.
"Why people followed Hitler eventhough his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
"Why there are so many swimming disciplines in Olympic games, is it because america wants more free medals?" Maybe it's just your examples that are bad but the impression I get from this is "guy who wants very badly to appear deep to impress the people around him". None of these are remotely dynamics topics. Given that you apparently have a wife and daughter I'd think your priorities would have shifted a long time ago to more practical things.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. The Hitler question seems ridiculous because that shit is taught in secondary school (source: I'm in secondary school).
+ Show Spoiler +This guy sounds like me 5 months ago o.o
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On November 01 2012 15:32 IskatuMesk wrote:
Socializing is overrated. I don't think anyone really genuinely takes the concept seriously. I haven't talked to a person physically beyond one-liners and, at the most, small talk, in over a decade. I step out of the house maybe once a year, and only very briefly. I talk to some people over vent, but our conversations are never in-depth about anything besides how bad the gaming and related industries are.
Embrace the peace of silence for what little time you have it.
This is an extreme example of the root of the issue. You interact to a degree sufficient to have an idea that a person is a shallow boring scrub with maybe less than 20 people a year, and you expect any of them to actual be intelligent and thoughtful individuals? What do you think the chances of that are?
An absolutely massive percentage of people are not fascinating. MASSIVE. If you picked out a HUNDRED random people and spent an hour discussing things with each one, I would say its very likely that NONE of them would be clever and interesting enough to make a relationship rewarding. Lets be way pessimistic and say here that 99.9% of people just suck. Well thats pretty fucking sad. But you know what? There are over 2.2 MILLION people living just in my city. MILLION. Unless you are under some sort of delusion that you are the only thinking human on earth (in which case you are the idiot), that means there is a great chance there are several really extraordinary people living within a few square miles of you, but you'll never fucking meet them if you only exchange one liners with the gas station attendant every Tuesday and sit in your house looking at funny pictures on the internet. To say socializing is overrated from a position where for all intents and purposes you havent even begun to do it is just hilarious and sad at the same time.
If nobody you know cares to, or is capable, of actually having meaningful discussion, then that sucks for you. But it isn't social interaction that is overrated, you're simply surrounded by morons. I can personally understand just how easy it is for such a thing to occur because it happens to me all the time. Finding complex and thoughtful people is fucking difficult, but I can also vouch that when you manage to find one its one of the most rewarding things you can do in life. In all probability it will be completely impossible for you to be a happy human being without it. Humans simply want to be social. This doesn't mean you need to live in a fucking frat house and party every day of the week, but considering that mathematically there are probably thousands of exceptional people living within driving distance of your house, its certainly not undoable to hunt down one or two real friends. If you're like me and are orders of magnitude more picky about who you associate with than the average shmuck, well that's the price you pay for not being a retard, life's not easy.
TLDR:
Yeah, a massive supermajority of humanity are boring as shit. If you want to be happy you'll get your ass out there and find at least one of the millions who aren't. Until then stop complaining.
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guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
On November 01 2012 20:01 Swede wrote:
The door swings both ways. You're boring if you can only small talk or discuss the latest in pop culture, but you're also boring if you can't talk about anything that isn't serious or 'deep'.
I think that it's a case of getting out what you put in. If you expect conversations to flow with no effort at all and in the precise direction you want then you're kidding yourself.
It might just be that socialising isn't your thing (anymore), but don't become one of those people who calls anybody they don't immediately hit it off with boring. If anything that's worse.
Boring is a subjective term. I was talking from my point of view.
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On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion.
Anyway
- United Nations (LOL)
- The influence of big corporations can be easily observed in politics already. Not particularly in Singapore, but abroad.
- 2 hrs a day? Why?
- Marriages going to become rare because of...?
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On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion.
What do you mean? evidence of what?
On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
- United Nations (LOL) - The influence of big corporations can be easily observed in politics already. Not particularly in Singapore, but abroad. - 2 hrs a day? Why? - Marriages going to become rare because of...?
- UN is not an alliance (Maybe they call it that way, but this organization is a joke). European Union is alliance.
- Does microsoft or apple influence youre daily life? Does it cross you rights?
- I assume poeple gonna work 2hrs a day or less, because machines are doing most of the work. ANd new machines gonna be invented.
- Marriages become rare because people alone can sustain their life (mothers can raise children alone) and don't wanna commit into relationships. You can see tendencies these days already. Women making babies with guys, no strings attached.
Most of the above are based on tendencies.
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On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what?
Evidence of whatever statement you make.
Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day?
It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow?
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On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow?
Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you?
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1) moot
2) Look up "big business" or look here
3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars.
4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse
On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you?
I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes.
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Rofl, people will work 2 hours a day because machines will do all the work...its like the 1950's all over again.
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On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you?
The irony of this in relation to your original post is almost unbearable.
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To the people calling me out for the content of my blogs: I understand now.
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On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes.
I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you?
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On November 01 2012 21:03 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? The irony of this in relation to your original post is almost unbearable.
Evidence and reasoning are two different things. When you assume, which I've been doing in my proposed topic (the topic that I actually didn't intent to discuss, but used for the sake of example), you can't have evidence, the thing didn't happen yet, you can give only your reasonings why it should happen. I didn't give reasonings right away, coz like I said, those were just examples, a short snippet of conversation that I would have in imaginary situation.
The guy who is arguing with me is just bashing my example, and tries to develop a new topic of discussion here. Which I think is because people were bashing his blog and he came here to show that there are even worse blogs.
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On November 01 2012 21:14 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes. I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you?
Actually he is trying to spark a discussion, and I suspect what he wants from the other part he is discussing with is the following:
Person#1: Hey, I read a paper on automation within various fields of work that might implicate the way we spend our time in the future, I believe that people might only have to work for 2 hours/day based on what I read, it sounds really interesting.
Person#2: No man, we're not ready for that type of revolution yet, people need to work and earn money else society wont be able to stand on it's own.. insert arguments about earning money, paying tax, "the old ways" etc etc.
Person#1: But imagine being able to use those extra hours doing all kinds of usefull stuff I can't come up with at the moment
All of a sudden there's a discussion with "proof" behind it that you can relate to, instead of a statement with no basis.
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On November 01 2012 21:02 sob3k wrote:
Rofl, people will work 2 hours a day because machines will do all the work...its like the 1950's all over again.
My parents and grandparents used to work 40 hour every week.
My wife doesn't work, and we're not considering she's gonna work in near 1,5-2 years.
Her brother also doesn't work, stays at home and studies part time.
I have 2 friends who own small business each, and spend 2-3 hours a day to do stuff.
I have a friend who is unemployed and does projects from time to time. Most of the time he is free.
All of these guys are between 25-30.
I also have friends who work at regular 40 hours a week. But its not like 10-20 years ago when everyone used to work all day.
Thats the reasoning of my assumption.
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Look, you want a discussion? Here's a discussion.
You write this blog lamenting the fact that you can't help but feel excluded because our countrymen are only capable of talking about football and such while you want to discuss things like politics, literature, and art. You then try to give examples of what you think qualify as interesting conversation, and when people call you out on the examples you say it's just an example, and don't look too much into it. Ok, fine, we can accept that.
So what do you do afterwards? You come back and give us examples that you claim to be what you actually think is interesting! I'll even quote you to prove this:
On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
So when I say that you need evidence to back-up what you say, which is a pre-requisite for conversations involving matters like this, you whine that people are bashing you for your examples.
What is it, exactly,, you want to discuss about?
You want people to agree and say they empathize with you, how you're so smart, you're the top 1% of the population of the world because you hate small talk, you're a precious snow-flake because you just happen to be able to think about pseudo-news?
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On November 01 2012 21:24 Chollx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:14 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes. I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you? Actually he is trying to spark a discussion, and I suspect what he wants from the other part he is discussing with is the following: Person#1: Hey, I read a paper on automation within various fields of work that might implicate the way we spend our time in the future, I believe that people might only have to work for 2 hours/day based on what I read, it sounds really interesting. Person#2: No man, we're not ready for that type of revolution yet, people need to work and earn money else society wont be able to stand on it's own.. insert arguments about earning money, paying tax, "the old ways" etc etc. Person#1: But imagine being able to use those extra hours doing all kinds of usefull stuff I can't come up with at the moment All of a sudden there's a discussion with "proof" behind it that you can relate to, instead of a statement with no basis.
Listen to this person.
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On November 01 2012 21:29 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:24 Chollx wrote:On November 01 2012 21:14 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes. I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you? Actually he is trying to spark a discussion, and I suspect what he wants from the other part he is discussing with is the following: Person#1: Hey, I read a paper on automation within various fields of work that might implicate the way we spend our time in the future, I believe that people might only have to work for 2 hours/day based on what I read, it sounds really interesting. Person#2: No man, we're not ready for that type of revolution yet, people need to work and earn money else society wont be able to stand on it's own.. insert arguments about earning money, paying tax, "the old ways" etc etc. Person#1: But imagine being able to use those extra hours doing all kinds of usefull stuff I can't come up with at the moment All of a sudden there's a discussion with "proof" behind it that you can relate to, instead of a statement with no basis. Listen to this person.
As I said. those were just examples. Its not the original topic. If wanted to discuss what happens in 50 years, I would've made another blog entry about it.
You goes want me to break down every example into pieces and thoroughly explain it?
Examples were provided to give a gist. Go back to op and read whole thing. If you wanna discuss what happens in 50 years, fine with me, but pls don't use the bashing tone, instead be more comprehensive.
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On November 01 2012 21:28 Azera wrote:Look, you want a discussion? Here's a discussion. You write this blog lamenting the fact that you can't help but feel excluded because our countrymen are only capable of talking about football and such while you want to discuss things like politics, literature, and art. You then try to give examples of what you think qualify as interesting conversation, and when people call you out on the examples you say it's just an example, and don't look too much into it. Ok, fine, we can accept that. So what do you do afterwards? You come back and give us examples that you claim to be what you actually think is interesting! I'll even quote you to prove this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
So when I say that you need evidence to back-up what you say, which is a pre-requisite for conversations involving matters like this, you whine that people are bashing you for your examples. What is it, exactly,, you want to discuss about? You want people to agree and say they empathize with you, how you're so smart, you're the top 1% of the population of the world because you hate small talk, you're a precious snow-flake because you just happen to be able to think about pseudo-news?
Do you even know what are blogs for?
+ Show Spoiler +its for sharing feelings, opinions and ideas. I can write whatever I want in my blog. And its your choice to agree or disagree
EDIT: Ok. lets discuss it.
1) moot.
2) Look up "big business" or look here
3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars.
4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse
1) What do you mean moot?
2) Your article states that business influences government, i meant the actual people. Let me explain a bit here.
What I mean is this. Corporations gonna influence government even more and have some laws changed, so that they can buy some land have their own armed forces in order to protect. Those armed forces can go against people if there are some conditions (like they're being suspicious). Furthermore, those armed force can be hired by governments of other countries to do their errands. Some corporations gonna have more laws and regulations attached to their products. Therefore affecting the rights of regular people.
3) I responded to this in my previous post.
My parents and grandparents used to work 40 hour every week.
My wife doesn't work, and we're not considering she's gonna work in near 1,5-2 years.
Her brother also doesn't work, stays at home and studies part time.
I have 2 friends who own small business each, and spend 2-3 hours a day to do stuff.
I have a friend who is unemployed and does projects from time to time. Most of the time he is free.
All of these guys are between 25-30.
I also have friends who work at regular 40 hours a week. But its not like 10-20 years ago when everyone used to work all day.
Thats the reasoning of my assumption.
4) - http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-22/opinion/coontz.marriage.pew_1_marriage-college-educated-women-higher-plane?_s=PM:OPINION
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/yourlife/sex-relationships/marriage/2010-11-18-1Amarriage18_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me
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