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Hi dear TLers,
Just something about my life.
I feel my life is changing. I'm gradually becoming less and less social. I find less joy talking to people and I tend to avoid them as much as possible. Nobody's problems worry me (except my wife's, daughter's, brother's and parents'). I'm not a heartless jerk, I still feel sympathy, kindness and understanding. I will try to help someone struggling, but not talk to him/her. if the person is fine, I'm not gonna interact with him/her whatsoever.
I'm not sure why this is happening. The only people I find joy to talk are elders. They always have something interesting to tell.
As stupid it sounds, but I think young/middle age people are boring (with rare exceptions). The topics they discuss, the things they're interested in, the values they appreciate, all looks so [I don't have a better word for this] shallow? simple?
For instance, I have some close friends, we would stick together for 10 years, but lately I have no interest hanging out with them. boring.
I like talking about history, movies, culture, politics sports. I like deep discussion. With many whys and hows.
"Why people followed Hitler eventhough his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
"Why there are so many swimming disciplines in Olympic games, is it because america wants more free medals?"
Instead, I usually have this.
People just throw something like Real Madrid has bought X player for Y money. And thats their whole conversation. I'd go like, I'm not sure if it was a good purchase, Real already had good candidates for the position. And they'd tell me "are you kidding me, they bought him for 30 milion, he is definitely better than the others". Period. The guy doesn't have his opinion. he concludes that the transfered player is good because the cost is high. And you can't argue with that, he firmly believes in it. Things like this happen in a lot of conversation, I don't mean all guys are stupid like this one. but I couldn't find a better example.
Its seems that most people lost their ability to think.
or maybe I'm an outcast. I don't know.
EDIT: Just a remark.
I don't consider myself superior or smarter in anyway. More like I have different interests. Although I think I'm smart sometimes, but its irrelevant to this topic. Its more about socializing problem.
 
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Yeah I feel the same way.
I'm just generaly untisocial, so that might be my problem tho
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Find people you can have meaningful conversations with and become friends with them. I don't think its unnatural as people mature they get more selective of the people they want to be around with.
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Yeah, society is groomed to think less and less as time goes on. Even though it may seem like a lot of older people nowadays are closed-minded and/or stubborn, there are closed-minded and stubborn people in all age groups. So it doesn't make sense to say that "most of the closed-minded people are old and the younger generations push society forward with new ideas."
The average intelligence/wisdom of an elder is much greater than that of your average 20-40 year old. There are younger people who embrace technology and knowledge/wisdom but they are the few. You will find more elders read. You can even read some 19th century literature and see firsthand how the intelligence of the people has dropped, just by observing the relatively uniform quality of writing among authors of that era.
When it's not cool to be smart, the average person does not want to listen to much of what an intelligent person has to say. I find that the "smarter" you are, the less liked you are by the average person. But there is an area at the higher end of the IQ scale where you can deal with and perhaps even inspire an average person to care more.
There are ways to deal.
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Socializing is overrated. I don't think anyone really genuinely takes the concept seriously. I haven't talked to a person physically beyond one-liners and, at the most, small talk, in over a decade. I step out of the house maybe once a year, and only very briefly. I talk to some people over vent, but our conversations are never in-depth about anything besides how bad the gaming and related industries are.
Embrace the peace of silence for what little time you have it.
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We forgot how to think and read books and take things seriously. the world is just a big game to us now. we have a very anti-intellectual culture
edit: start a book group and read something hard
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Hey friend I've felt similar sometimes. Don't be discouraged, some people are afraid to have heavy conversations. Even people who are willing to discuss things deeper than pop culture and small talk many times don't have the values or insight to say anything interesting. You say you only enjoy talking to elders. I think that you have to be careful about feelings like that. I am an 18 year old American and I commonly discuss topics such as philosophy, socioeconomics, and ethics with my friends and family. Much wisdom comes from older men and women, it cannot be denied. Young people are not generally as matured and learned but they'll never improve if they don't have guidance. In my daily life I see that the average person only appears to care about petty things. They work unfulfilling jobs, spend their money on entertainment with little value. Even the religious folk don't seem to actually grasp meaning behind the words they speak. It is important to not be pessimistic about people. If you can get someone excited about something important, you've done a good thing for the world. People like you and I are not outcasts, we are intellectuals. Something I believe in is loving every person equally. Being kind and generous can build a bridge to someones mind that allows you to plant the seeds of thought. Show compassion to those who have small minds and lead them in the right direction. I think you will feel more joyful about someone when you see them learn from you.
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yea i feel the same way. i like discussing ideas and events but it seems like most people don't do that. even when discussing sports or politics, people can't discuss it as an idea and get too emotionally involved in them so its impossible to "discuss" per se. Well I guess we're the minority and they'll think of us as boring while we think of them as boring as well
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What kind of career do you have? If you channel some of your intellectual energy into your work, you may find that:
(a) you gather colleagues who are excited to talk about what you find exciting
(b) you are tired enough to want to relax with your friends instead of engaging with them intellectually
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On November 01 2012 15:55 Muirhead wrote:
What kind of career do you have? If you channel some of your intellectual energy into your work, you may find that:
(a) you gather colleagues who are excited to talk about what you find exciting
(b) you are tired enough to want to relax with your friends instead of engaging with them intellectually
Thanks. I think this is a good advice. Gotta learn to relax a bit.
But in all honesty I prefer having couple of beers while watching a movie/sport/stream, rather than hanging out with a friend. Because it feels awkward sometimes. We have nothing to say eachother.
I think this why I come on TL. People are great here to talk to.
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On November 01 2012 15:32 IskatuMesk wrote:
Socializing is overrated. I don't think anyone really genuinely takes the concept seriously. I haven't talked to a person physically beyond one-liners and, at the most, small talk, in over a decade. I step out of the house maybe once a year, and only very briefly. I talk to some people over vent, but our conversations are never in-depth about anything besides how bad the gaming and related industries are.
Embrace the peace of silence for what little time you have it.
I feel so much better hearing this since it pretty much describes my life.
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I'm not judging anybody, but what happens in this thread is: other introvert persons will dominate the reply frequency and you will "discuss" these matters of RL and conveniently end up with a biased conclusion that it is normal/acceptable/justifiable to go on living the good life alone behind curtains and in front of your computers.
RL friends and socialization is the best thing about life IMO-
EDIT: nothing unusual about hating the entire topic that is football in any social setting; that's just a motivation to make new friends
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On November 01 2012 15:32 IskatuMesk wrote:
Socializing is overrated. I don't think anyone really genuinely takes the concept seriously. I haven't talked to a person physically beyond one-liners and, at the most, small talk, in over a decade. I step out of the house maybe once a year, and only very briefly. I talk to some people over vent, but our conversations are never in-depth about anything besides how bad the gaming and related industries are.
Embrace the peace of silence for what little time you have it.
You shouldn't underestimate the power of socializing (which is basically talking to people and blending into community). It opens so many doors. While you spend your time hanging out with people, chit-chating and discussing unimportant stuff, you also catch some useful information here and there. New opportunities might arise. Like a nice job openings, some stuff being sold half the price (which you were considering to buy), getting to know that someone you care about is in the trouble and be able to help in time. And much much more. Being in community has far more benefits than being alone, albeit even if you waste your time 'talking'.
Thats why I think my antisocial behavior is kinda of a problem. I don't know how to solve this. My shyness doesn't help either :/
^responding to above. By no means being anti-social is good. I could go as far as to call it a decease and needs treatment.
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On November 01 2012 15:33 sam!zdat wrote:
We forgot how to think and read books and take things seriously. the world is just a big game to us now. we have a very anti-intellectual culture
edit: start a book group and read something hard
The world has always been non-intellectual. Of course if you compare the intellectual elite of the past to the average person now the past looks rosy. But I doubt the average pub conversation in a working class neighbourhood 100 years ago was very deep either.
edit: To post something on topic too, some of the conversations OP suggests are avoided for a reason, except between close friends or anonym forums. Imagine this conversation:
OP: "Can a religious person be rational"
Atheist: "LOL, religion is stupid, faith is the opposite of rationality"
Religious: "Burn in hell, atheist"
OP: "..."
OP: "Why did so many people follow Hitler, despite his terrible ideas"
Crypto-Nazi: "He had some good ideas too, you know"
Host: "Did you hear that Real Madrid fired Murinho?"
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This is my opinion on the matter:
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hypercube has a good point about pubbies imo: just because people don't dress in rags anymore it doesn't really mean they're the full hundred percent :p There are seven billion people on the planet, all of them can't be that bad? Then again, the good ones are scarce, you've got to seek them out. Young people 'don't have time' to think, they're all doing the rat race, it's a very strong system. Infotainment, work, food, hard-resetting parties, getting along with everyone...
Personal mistake I made was that I expected everyone to be perfect, be physically able, love kpop and medieval literature, all while being vegetarian german beer drinkers. Guess how many I found :p Now I do different things with different people: Kpop I get here at TL, although I don't post in the kpop thread because those people are CRAZY scary, vegetarian with some friends and family, talking nonsense still is a bit of a problem in real life, oh and german beer has many fans so that wasn't much of a problem anyway :p Now if only I'd find some people who'd like medieval literature...
Guess you've got to love the struggle ^^
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You're fine, I often feel the same way. Modern society encourages people to be superficial. Watch the movie "God bless America"; it's very well made, and it will probably make you laugh a lot.
Don't wanna spoil it too much, but it's basically the story of a guy feeling like you and goes nuts.
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On November 01 2012 19:10 opsayo wrote:This is my opinion on the matter:
Depends on what you want, I guess...
If you're in a social environment and you want to acquire a lot of power socially, talking about other people is very relevant.
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The door swings both ways. You're boring if you can only small talk or discuss the latest in pop culture, but you're also boring if you can't talk about anything that isn't serious or 'deep'.
I think that it's a case of getting out what you put in. If you expect conversations to flow with no effort at all and in the precise direction you want then you're kidding yourself.
It might just be that socialising isn't your thing (anymore), but don't become one of those people who calls anybody they don't immediately hit it off with boring. If anything that's worse.
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On November 01 2012 14:58 bokeevboke wrote:
I like talking about history, movies, culture, politics sports. I like deep discussion. With many whys and hows.
"Why people followed Hitler eventhough his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
"Why there are so many swimming disciplines in Olympic games, is it because america wants more free medals?"
Maybe it's just your examples that are bad but the impression I get from this is "guy who wants very badly to appear deep to impress the people around him". None of these are remotely dynamics topics. Given that you apparently have a wife and daughter I'd think your priorities would have shifted a long time ago to more practical things.
On November 01 2012 15:31 hp.Shell wrote:
When it's not cool to be smart, the average person does not want to listen to much of what an intelligent person has to say. I find that the "smarter" you are, the less liked you are by the average person. But there is an area at the higher end of the IQ scale where you can deal with and perhaps even inspire an average person to care more.
This has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with how people present themselves. This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit.
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Fellow Singaporean here.
Anyway, from my experiences you can't really expect to have "deep" conversation with our fellow countrymen.
"Why people followed Hitler even though his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
His ideas were "crazy", sure. However, you have to understand that one thing that lead to the overwhelming support of Hitler was the Treaty of Versailles (ToV), which made many Germans angry. The ToV basically took away industrial land from Germany and gave them to the allied powers, forced Germany to pay reparations (6.6 billion), forced Germany to reduce their military to a pathetic size, and most importantly placed the blame of WWI on Germany. The Germans wanted Germany to be great again because they felt humiliated (esp. since it was a diktat, forced peace), so naturally they followed Hitler who promised them what they wanted ala Lenin's "Peace, Land, and Bread)
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
Global warming, NASAs budget, etc.etc. Kinda vague question.
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
Depends on how you choose to define what rational is or isn't.
On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 14:58 bokeevboke wrote:
I like talking about history, movies, culture, politics sports. I like deep discussion. With many whys and hows.
"Why people followed Hitler eventhough his ideas were crazy, what were the factors?"
"How do you think people will live in 50 years, are we going to expand to another planet?"
"Can a rational person be religious, if so what are the reasons to believe in god?"
"Why there are so many swimming disciplines in Olympic games, is it because america wants more free medals?" Maybe it's just your examples that are bad but the impression I get from this is "guy who wants very badly to appear deep to impress the people around him". None of these are remotely dynamics topics. Given that you apparently have a wife and daughter I'd think your priorities would have shifted a long time ago to more practical things.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. The Hitler question seems ridiculous because that shit is taught in secondary school (source: I'm in secondary school).
+ Show Spoiler +This guy sounds like me 5 months ago o.o
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On November 01 2012 15:32 IskatuMesk wrote:
Socializing is overrated. I don't think anyone really genuinely takes the concept seriously. I haven't talked to a person physically beyond one-liners and, at the most, small talk, in over a decade. I step out of the house maybe once a year, and only very briefly. I talk to some people over vent, but our conversations are never in-depth about anything besides how bad the gaming and related industries are.
Embrace the peace of silence for what little time you have it.
This is an extreme example of the root of the issue. You interact to a degree sufficient to have an idea that a person is a shallow boring scrub with maybe less than 20 people a year, and you expect any of them to actual be intelligent and thoughtful individuals? What do you think the chances of that are?
An absolutely massive percentage of people are not fascinating. MASSIVE. If you picked out a HUNDRED random people and spent an hour discussing things with each one, I would say its very likely that NONE of them would be clever and interesting enough to make a relationship rewarding. Lets be way pessimistic and say here that 99.9% of people just suck. Well thats pretty fucking sad. But you know what? There are over 2.2 MILLION people living just in my city. MILLION. Unless you are under some sort of delusion that you are the only thinking human on earth (in which case you are the idiot), that means there is a great chance there are several really extraordinary people living within a few square miles of you, but you'll never fucking meet them if you only exchange one liners with the gas station attendant every Tuesday and sit in your house looking at funny pictures on the internet. To say socializing is overrated from a position where for all intents and purposes you havent even begun to do it is just hilarious and sad at the same time.
If nobody you know cares to, or is capable, of actually having meaningful discussion, then that sucks for you. But it isn't social interaction that is overrated, you're simply surrounded by morons. I can personally understand just how easy it is for such a thing to occur because it happens to me all the time. Finding complex and thoughtful people is fucking difficult, but I can also vouch that when you manage to find one its one of the most rewarding things you can do in life. In all probability it will be completely impossible for you to be a happy human being without it. Humans simply want to be social. This doesn't mean you need to live in a fucking frat house and party every day of the week, but considering that mathematically there are probably thousands of exceptional people living within driving distance of your house, its certainly not undoable to hunt down one or two real friends. If you're like me and are orders of magnitude more picky about who you associate with than the average shmuck, well that's the price you pay for not being a retard, life's not easy.
TLDR:
Yeah, a massive supermajority of humanity are boring as shit. If you want to be happy you'll get your ass out there and find at least one of the millions who aren't. Until then stop complaining.
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guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
On November 01 2012 20:01 Swede wrote:
The door swings both ways. You're boring if you can only small talk or discuss the latest in pop culture, but you're also boring if you can't talk about anything that isn't serious or 'deep'.
I think that it's a case of getting out what you put in. If you expect conversations to flow with no effort at all and in the precise direction you want then you're kidding yourself.
It might just be that socialising isn't your thing (anymore), but don't become one of those people who calls anybody they don't immediately hit it off with boring. If anything that's worse.
Boring is a subjective term. I was talking from my point of view.
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On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion.
Anyway
- United Nations (LOL)
- The influence of big corporations can be easily observed in politics already. Not particularly in Singapore, but abroad.
- 2 hrs a day? Why?
- Marriages going to become rare because of...?
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On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion.
What do you mean? evidence of what?
On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
- United Nations (LOL) - The influence of big corporations can be easily observed in politics already. Not particularly in Singapore, but abroad. - 2 hrs a day? Why? - Marriages going to become rare because of...?
- UN is not an alliance (Maybe they call it that way, but this organization is a joke). European Union is alliance.
- Does microsoft or apple influence youre daily life? Does it cross you rights?
- I assume poeple gonna work 2hrs a day or less, because machines are doing most of the work. ANd new machines gonna be invented.
- Marriages become rare because people alone can sustain their life (mothers can raise children alone) and don't wanna commit into relationships. You can see tendencies these days already. Women making babies with guys, no strings attached.
Most of the above are based on tendencies.
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On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what?
Evidence of whatever statement you make.
Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day?
It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow?
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On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow?
Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you?
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1) moot
2) Look up "big business" or look here
3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars.
4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse
On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you?
I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes.
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Rofl, people will work 2 hours a day because machines will do all the work...its like the 1950's all over again.
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On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you?
The irony of this in relation to your original post is almost unbearable.
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To the people calling me out for the content of my blogs: I understand now.
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On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes.
I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you?
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On November 01 2012 21:03 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? The irony of this in relation to your original post is almost unbearable.
Evidence and reasoning are two different things. When you assume, which I've been doing in my proposed topic (the topic that I actually didn't intent to discuss, but used for the sake of example), you can't have evidence, the thing didn't happen yet, you can give only your reasonings why it should happen. I didn't give reasonings right away, coz like I said, those were just examples, a short snippet of conversation that I would have in imaginary situation.
The guy who is arguing with me is just bashing my example, and tries to develop a new topic of discussion here. Which I think is because people were bashing his blog and he came here to show that there are even worse blogs.
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On November 01 2012 21:14 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes. I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you?
Actually he is trying to spark a discussion, and I suspect what he wants from the other part he is discussing with is the following:
Person#1: Hey, I read a paper on automation within various fields of work that might implicate the way we spend our time in the future, I believe that people might only have to work for 2 hours/day based on what I read, it sounds really interesting.
Person#2: No man, we're not ready for that type of revolution yet, people need to work and earn money else society wont be able to stand on it's own.. insert arguments about earning money, paying tax, "the old ways" etc etc.
Person#1: But imagine being able to use those extra hours doing all kinds of usefull stuff I can't come up with at the moment
All of a sudden there's a discussion with "proof" behind it that you can relate to, instead of a statement with no basis.
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On November 01 2012 21:02 sob3k wrote:
Rofl, people will work 2 hours a day because machines will do all the work...its like the 1950's all over again.
My parents and grandparents used to work 40 hour every week.
My wife doesn't work, and we're not considering she's gonna work in near 1,5-2 years.
Her brother also doesn't work, stays at home and studies part time.
I have 2 friends who own small business each, and spend 2-3 hours a day to do stuff.
I have a friend who is unemployed and does projects from time to time. Most of the time he is free.
All of these guys are between 25-30.
I also have friends who work at regular 40 hours a week. But its not like 10-20 years ago when everyone used to work all day.
Thats the reasoning of my assumption.
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Look, you want a discussion? Here's a discussion.
You write this blog lamenting the fact that you can't help but feel excluded because our countrymen are only capable of talking about football and such while you want to discuss things like politics, literature, and art. You then try to give examples of what you think qualify as interesting conversation, and when people call you out on the examples you say it's just an example, and don't look too much into it. Ok, fine, we can accept that.
So what do you do afterwards? You come back and give us examples that you claim to be what you actually think is interesting! I'll even quote you to prove this:
On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
So when I say that you need evidence to back-up what you say, which is a pre-requisite for conversations involving matters like this, you whine that people are bashing you for your examples.
What is it, exactly,, you want to discuss about?
You want people to agree and say they empathize with you, how you're so smart, you're the top 1% of the population of the world because you hate small talk, you're a precious snow-flake because you just happen to be able to think about pseudo-news?
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On November 01 2012 21:24 Chollx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:14 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes. I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you? Actually he is trying to spark a discussion, and I suspect what he wants from the other part he is discussing with is the following: Person#1: Hey, I read a paper on automation within various fields of work that might implicate the way we spend our time in the future, I believe that people might only have to work for 2 hours/day based on what I read, it sounds really interesting. Person#2: No man, we're not ready for that type of revolution yet, people need to work and earn money else society wont be able to stand on it's own.. insert arguments about earning money, paying tax, "the old ways" etc etc. Person#1: But imagine being able to use those extra hours doing all kinds of usefull stuff I can't come up with at the moment All of a sudden there's a discussion with "proof" behind it that you can relate to, instead of a statement with no basis.
Listen to this person.
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On November 01 2012 21:29 Azera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 21:24 Chollx wrote:On November 01 2012 21:14 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 21:01 Azera wrote:1) moot 2) Look up "big business" or look here3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars. 4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse On November 01 2012 20:57 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:49 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:43 bokeevboke wrote:On November 01 2012 20:38 Azera wrote:On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
Hey man, what you're saying is cool and all but you need to have some shred of evidence to back-up whatever speculations you may have because otherwise nothing good will come from discussion. What do you mean? evidence of what? Evidence of whatever statement you make. Why do you think an alliance will form? Why will business corporations become more powerful? Why will people of the future work 2 hours a day? It's as good as me saying, "ESPORTS will take over Olympics in 2020" without giving any data to prove what I say and then complain about people who don't want to have a conversation with me regarding ESPORTS taking over the Olympics. Ya follow? Do you ask evidence for everything people tell you? I like how you claim to want and talk about "deep" topics and such when you don't realize that it is these topics that requires evidence for discussion, otherwise it quickly devolves into an exchange idiotic speculations based on anecdotes. I have a feeling that you came here only to bash my blog. You don't wanna have a discussion do you? Actually he is trying to spark a discussion, and I suspect what he wants from the other part he is discussing with is the following: Person#1: Hey, I read a paper on automation within various fields of work that might implicate the way we spend our time in the future, I believe that people might only have to work for 2 hours/day based on what I read, it sounds really interesting. Person#2: No man, we're not ready for that type of revolution yet, people need to work and earn money else society wont be able to stand on it's own.. insert arguments about earning money, paying tax, "the old ways" etc etc. Person#1: But imagine being able to use those extra hours doing all kinds of usefull stuff I can't come up with at the moment All of a sudden there's a discussion with "proof" behind it that you can relate to, instead of a statement with no basis. Listen to this person.
As I said. those were just examples. Its not the original topic. If wanted to discuss what happens in 50 years, I would've made another blog entry about it.
You goes want me to break down every example into pieces and thoroughly explain it?
Examples were provided to give a gist. Go back to op and read whole thing. If you wanna discuss what happens in 50 years, fine with me, but pls don't use the bashing tone, instead be more comprehensive.
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On November 01 2012 21:28 Azera wrote:Look, you want a discussion? Here's a discussion. You write this blog lamenting the fact that you can't help but feel excluded because our countrymen are only capable of talking about football and such while you want to discuss things like politics, literature, and art. You then try to give examples of what you think qualify as interesting conversation, and when people call you out on the examples you say it's just an example, and don't look too much into it. Ok, fine, we can accept that. So what do you do afterwards? You come back and give us examples that you claim to be what you actually think is interesting! I'll even quote you to prove this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:33 bokeevboke wrote:
guys, pls don't focus too much on my examples. I just took them from top of my head, just to explain the difference between what I and they want to discuss. Nothing more. Its not like: pick a card! Whats the topic on it? Lets discuss it now! GO!
I for instance was thinking that in 50 years many countries will form alliance, and eventually every country in the world will join it. Every international political decisions will be decided together. Business corporations gonna become more powerful and affect people's live more than politicians, people gonna work 2 hrs a day, or not at all. Marriages gonna be very rare, and only in asian/arabic societies. etc...
So when I say that you need evidence to back-up what you say, which is a pre-requisite for conversations involving matters like this, you whine that people are bashing you for your examples. What is it, exactly,, you want to discuss about? You want people to agree and say they empathize with you, how you're so smart, you're the top 1% of the population of the world because you hate small talk, you're a precious snow-flake because you just happen to be able to think about pseudo-news?
Do you even know what are blogs for?
+ Show Spoiler +its for sharing feelings, opinions and ideas. I can write whatever I want in my blog. And its your choice to agree or disagree
EDIT: Ok. lets discuss it.
1) moot.
2) Look up "big business" or look here
3) will everyone be happily unemployed in the future? maybe. same goes for living on mars.
4) I'd like to read a story where a woman only wants a child and no spouse
1) What do you mean moot?
2) Your article states that business influences government, i meant the actual people. Let me explain a bit here.
What I mean is this. Corporations gonna influence government even more and have some laws changed, so that they can buy some land have their own armed forces in order to protect. Those armed forces can go against people if there are some conditions (like they're being suspicious). Furthermore, those armed force can be hired by governments of other countries to do their errands. Some corporations gonna have more laws and regulations attached to their products. Therefore affecting the rights of regular people.
3) I responded to this in my previous post.
My parents and grandparents used to work 40 hour every week.
My wife doesn't work, and we're not considering she's gonna work in near 1,5-2 years.
Her brother also doesn't work, stays at home and studies part time.
I have 2 friends who own small business each, and spend 2-3 hours a day to do stuff.
I have a friend who is unemployed and does projects from time to time. Most of the time he is free.
All of these guys are between 25-30.
I also have friends who work at regular 40 hours a week. But its not like 10-20 years ago when everyone used to work all day.
Thats the reasoning of my assumption.
4) - http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-22/opinion/coontz.marriage.pew_1_marriage-college-educated-women-higher-plane?_s=PM:OPINION
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/yourlife/sex-relationships/marriage/2010-11-18-1Amarriage18_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me
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Good. And do that everytime you expect to have a conversation with someone on these 'deep' topics.
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Hey Man, OP. THEREs more where you came from. I'm one of you. You seem to have interests that would be considered introverted.
The way i see it, minds have obsessions that excite them. Some are less excitable generally, but most are just excited a lot by what excites them. You may not have the same i nterests as another, but passion is universally interesting. If you can get yourself excited and help others get excited thats the main point. We are trying to prod eachother for fun emotions,not get a nobel prize when we socialize.
If people don'tknow what you're talking about with hitler or w/e, explain it to them so they can understand. Make a more general situation that is like the one that interests you. You'll be surprised by how talented some of the so called "uninteresting people" are when you enable their participation.
Like others have said, you just gotta rough it through for other people sometime. Sometimes i really don't care about this sweet gun my friend found in borderlands 2 but i care about him so i put the effort to let him express his p assion
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Upgrade your social circle. You're behind on upgrades.
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On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 15:31 hp.Shell wrote:
When it's not cool to be smart, the average person does not want to listen to much of what an intelligent person has to say. I find that the "smarter" you are, the less liked you are by the average person. But there is an area at the higher end of the IQ scale where you can deal with and perhaps even inspire an average person to care more. This has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with how people present themselves. This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit.
I agree it has a lot to do with attitude, but it's not necessarily because of people "calling you out of your shit". (Not completely sure what you mean by that, sorry -_-). Beyond a certain point (estimated at around 3 SD in IQ from the norm) it becomes difficult to communicate with the average person because the expected flow of conversation (the speed more so than the subject) is significantly different on either side. The intelligent person will "skip steps" as when solving a familiar math problem, while the average person skips fewer steps in the logical chain or gets stuck, and so the parties engaged in conversation become confused or frustrated and communication breaks down.
Going through life having to explain things repeatedly to people, despite learning how to communicate effectively, is quite a drag. It trains you to become very patient, but there just come points past which you stop being interested in socializing. A person like this doesn't need to be shy or antisocial for any other reason; this alone can do it. The attitude that results of not wanting to socialize or of thinking you are superior certainly does turn people away, so it has to be concealed permanently. So now you're not only averse to socializing, you conceal a part of your personality and suppress the negative emotions associated with it.
Obviously, this is a big issue. If, say, your IQ is 160 (4 SD from the norm) you have difficulty communicating with those below roughly 115 IQ, which precludes 84% of the population. A person like this needs to find a small group of people who he can communicate well with, and that's unfeasible without the internet. Only one out of 30,000 people has an IQ of 160 or higher, for example, so people will typically only ever meet 0-3 such people in person in their entire lives, and due to circumstances of their meeting, they may never even know it.
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On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:
Given that you apparently have a wife and daughter I'd think your priorities would have shifted a long time ago to more practical things.
This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit.
Seriously?
I don't see why he should resign himself to a life of quotidiana just because he has a family. And most people in the world are pretty legitimately not interested in having the kinds of conversations this dude seems to want to have. I think your response is totally unfair.
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On November 01 2012 19:07 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 15:33 sam!zdat wrote:
We forgot how to think and read books and take things seriously. the world is just a big game to us now. we have a very anti-intellectual culture
edit: start a book group and read something hard The world has always been non-intellectual. Of course if you compare the intellectual elite of the past to the average person now the past looks rosy. But I doubt the average pub conversation in a working class neighbourhood 100 years ago was very deep either.
Yes, I understand, but being an intellectual has lost a lot of its cachet even among the upper classes, compared to previous epochs. The overall tenor of society has become much more contemptuous of literacy in general.
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I can relate to the OP I often find myself talking the ear off of uninterested people about things I find fascinating in science or philosophy or the human condition in general... though I can usually gauge their interest pretty well, and it's just about finding the common denominator of our personalities, or not :D
I think demonhunter hit it on the head as well. Most definitely.
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On November 01 2012 15:42 xenogis wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey friend I've felt similar sometimes. Don't be discouraged, some people are afraid to have heavy conversations. Even people who are willing to discuss things deeper than pop culture and small talk many times don't have the values or insight to say anything interesting. You say you only enjoy talking to elders. I think that you have to be careful about feelings like that. I am an 18 year old American and I commonly discuss topics such as philosophy, socioeconomics, and ethics with my friends and family. Much wisdom comes from older men and women, it cannot be denied. Young people are not generally as matured and learned but they'll never improve if they don't have guidance. In my daily life I see that the average person only appears to care about petty things. They work unfulfilling jobs, spend their money on entertainment with little value. Even the religious folk don't seem to actually grasp meaning behind the words they speak. It is important to not be pessimistic about people. If you can get someone excited about something important, you've done a good thing for the world. People like you and I are not outcasts, we are intellectuals. Something I believe in is loving every person equally. Being kind and generous can build a bridge to someones mind that allows you to plant the seeds of thought. Show compassion to those who have small minds and lead them in the right direction. I think you will feel more joyful about someone when you see them learn from you.
On November 02 2012 02:56 Demonhunter04 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 15:31 hp.Shell wrote:
When it's not cool to be smart, the average person does not want to listen to much of what an intelligent person has to say. I find that the "smarter" you are, the less liked you are by the average person. But there is an area at the higher end of the IQ scale where you can deal with and perhaps even inspire an average person to care more. This has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with how people present themselves. This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit. I agree it has a lot to do with attitude, but it's not necessarily because of people "calling you out of your shit". (Not completely sure what you mean by that, sorry -_-). Beyond a certain point (estimated at around 3 SD in IQ from the norm) it becomes difficult to communicate with the average person because the expected flow of conversation (the speed more so than the subject) is significantly different on either side. The intelligent person will "skip steps" as when solving a familiar math problem, while the average person skips fewer steps in the logical chain or gets stuck, and so the parties engaged in conversation become confused or frustrated and communication breaks down. Going through life having to explain things repeatedly to people, despite learning how to communicate effectively, is quite a drag. It trains you to become very patient, but there just come points past which you stop being interested in socializing. A person like this doesn't need to be shy or antisocial for any other reason; this alone can do it. The attitude that results of not wanting to socialize or of thinking you are superior certainly does turn people away, so it has to be concealed permanently. So now you're not only averse to socializing, you conceal a part of your personality and suppress the negative emotions associated with it. Obviously, this is a big issue. If, say, your IQ is 160 (4 SD from the norm) you have difficulty communicating with those below roughly 115 IQ, which precludes 84% of the population. A person like this needs to find a small group of people who he can communicate well with, and that's unfeasible without the internet. Only one out of 30,000 people has an IQ of 160 or higher, for example, so people will typically only ever meet 0-3 such people in person in their entire lives, and due to circumstances of their meeting, they may never even know it.
Nice posts.
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On November 02 2012 02:56 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:On November 01 2012 15:31 hp.Shell wrote:
When it's not cool to be smart, the average person does not want to listen to much of what an intelligent person has to say. I find that the "smarter" you are, the less liked you are by the average person. But there is an area at the higher end of the IQ scale where you can deal with and perhaps even inspire an average person to care more. This has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with how people present themselves. This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit. I agree it has a lot to do with attitude, but it's not necessarily because of people "calling you out of your shit". (Not completely sure what you mean by that, sorry -_-). Beyond a certain point (estimated at around 3 SD in IQ from the norm) it becomes difficult to communicate with the average person because the expected flow of conversation (the speed more so than the subject) is significantly different on either side. The intelligent person will "skip steps" as when solving a familiar math problem, while the average person skips fewer steps in the logical chain or gets stuck, and so the parties engaged in conversation become confused or frustrated and communication breaks down. Going through life having to explain things repeatedly to people, despite learning how to communicate effectively, is quite a drag. It trains you to become very patient, but there just come points past which you stop being interested in socializing. A person like this doesn't need to be shy or antisocial for any other reason; this alone can do it. The attitude that results of not wanting to socialize or of thinking you are superior certainly does turn people away, so it has to be concealed permanently. So now you're not only averse to socializing, you conceal a part of your personality and suppress the negative emotions associated with it. Obviously, this is a big issue. If, say, your IQ is 160 (4 SD from the norm) you have difficulty communicating with those below roughly 115 IQ, which precludes 84% of the population. A person like this needs to find a small group of people who he can communicate well with, and that's unfeasible without the internet. Only one out of 30,000 people has an IQ of 160 or higher, for example, so people will typically only ever meet 0-3 such people in person in their entire lives, and due to circumstances of their meeting, they may never even know it.
I don´t think OP is such a person. He just wants to have ´´intelligent´´ ´´discussions´´. He doesn´t have difficulty communicating with ´lesser´´ mortals he just doesn´t like the talking points ´´they´´ talk about. Other than that, I agree with your post.
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I'd argue you're just getting older, honestly. A generational disconnect of sorts. Ask one of your "elderly" friends about this someday; I wouldn't be surprised to learn they thought the same way about your generation. The topics of interest usually change from parents to kids. For example, I could talk for forever and a day about pro StarCraft to some of my friends, but my parents merely shake their heads and roll their eyes at it.
Granted, that change in interest goes both ways. As much as younger folk find new things to "talk" about, so do older people. You've moved on to profound philosophical and political discourses, whereas younger citizens gear towards superficial movie stars and sports results.
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A lot of people suck, and are either a waste of time or waiting to exploiting you for some personal gain. Not everyone, just enough to ruin your brains.
Being anti-social is pretty easy. If I have the urge to hear myself talk, I have TL and my fiancé and the small handful of people I consider trustworthy. Risk averse!
Those are my reasons. But you just sound a little pretentious. You're a dime a dozen, man. We all are.
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I find the majority of people I interact with don't know how to talk about anything other than what they did on the weekend or summarize the plot of some shitty TV show or book they like. What irks me, is when a group of people who all watched the show still can't do anything other than summarize it. It shows a total lack of value for critical thought. I don't know how to interact with these people zz Trouble is you can't avoid them if you want to have a job.
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Sorry guys, some folks started to bash me and tried to draw me into a 'discussion of some topic that I was interested in', however they weren't interested in discussing those topics. Instead, they were pin pointing every flaw about my statements and tried to make me look like an asshole.
I appreciate that many of you understand and share same feelings. No wonder I hang out in TL too much. Its only place I can discuss matters that I'm interested in.
But enough flattering ourselves. I'm pretty sure being antisocial is some sort of disorder, many people who are interested in deep stuff (scientists, artists, politicians, analytic people) are actually good at talking to anybody (kids, elders, youngsters), and they could talk about anything. That makes me think that I should broaden my interests and be more relaxed, simpler sometimes. I gotta stop overloading my brain and getting 'too much into'.
Or else, I'm risking to fall into category of those 'weirdos' who make strange humour and comments 
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never give up never surrender
edit: don't take life advice from me
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I don't get some of these people posting here, but it's some pretty dangerous advice. Humans are social creatures, that's why you're on this message board, and why everyone else who replied is on this message board. There's lots of people in this world and around you who have similar interests, you just need to find them. You'd be surprised if you tried to get to know people. It may not be obvious at first, but they may very well share some interests with you. It's okay to be alone sometimes, but not all the time.
If you have a particular interest but don't have people around you in your social circle who share them, then go look for them. TL is a good example of that and how you've done something similar already, but the difference is you just need to apply it to real life.
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Just went to cafeteria with my colleague, and got introduced to a guy and girl. We sat together and had a snack, I felt a little uncomfortable. The girl was talking a lot, her friend making a good business, and she was wishing she could do the business too. I was silent. I've been thinking about some start ups lately, so I took all my courage and voiced my opinion at some point. I actually forced myself to talk. In the end we had a good chat and made a little debate on career vs startup, which ended up quite interesting.
I think I'm doing well getting back to socialization, I have to practice, coz obviously i can't do it naturally.
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I like your mental approach already ^^.
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On November 02 2012 03:05 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 19:07 hypercube wrote:On November 01 2012 15:33 sam!zdat wrote:
We forgot how to think and read books and take things seriously. the world is just a big game to us now. we have a very anti-intellectual culture
edit: start a book group and read something hard The world has always been non-intellectual. Of course if you compare the intellectual elite of the past to the average person now the past looks rosy. But I doubt the average pub conversation in a working class neighbourhood 100 years ago was very deep either. Yes, I understand, but being an intellectual has lost a lot of its cachet even among the upper classes, compared to previous epochs. The overall tenor of society has become much more contemptuous of literacy in general.
I honestly don't see it. Even ignoring the fact that 95% of what passed as intellectualism 300 years was basically shit, science, philosophy and arts was never really central to the life of any social class. The only true exception is parts of Ancient Greece and a short period at the height of the Enlightenment.
A lot of the so called "intellectualism" of the elites of the Renaissance was much more about prestige and power than any real appriciation of the content itself.
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On November 02 2012 17:03 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:05 sam!zdat wrote:On November 01 2012 19:07 hypercube wrote:On November 01 2012 15:33 sam!zdat wrote:
We forgot how to think and read books and take things seriously. the world is just a big game to us now. we have a very anti-intellectual culture
edit: start a book group and read something hard The world has always been non-intellectual. Of course if you compare the intellectual elite of the past to the average person now the past looks rosy. But I doubt the average pub conversation in a working class neighbourhood 100 years ago was very deep either. Yes, I understand, but being an intellectual has lost a lot of its cachet even among the upper classes, compared to previous epochs. The overall tenor of society has become much more contemptuous of literacy in general. I honestly don't see it. Even ignoring the fact that 95% of what passed as intellectualism 300 years was basically shit,
I feel like this just demonstrates your ignorance.
science, philosophy and arts was never really central to the life of any social class. The only true exception is parts of Ancient Greece and a short period at the height of the Enlightenment.
It's not about centrality to the life of a social class, it's about its place in the cultural imaginary. At least in America, intellectuals are actively derided. Things may be different in Hungary.
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On November 02 2012 03:05 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 20:01 heyoka wrote:
Given that you apparently have a wife and daughter I'd think your priorities would have shifted a long time ago to more practical things.
Show nested quote +This kind of "oh people dumber than me aren't willing to listen" attitude is born out of people who are full of themselves trying to rationalize why people call them out of their shit. Seriously? I don't see why he should resign himself to a life of quotidiana just because he has a family. And most people in the world are pretty legitimately not interested in having the kinds of conversations this dude seems to want to have. I think your response is totally unfair. edit: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 19:07 hypercube wrote:On November 01 2012 15:33 sam!zdat wrote:
We forgot how to think and read books and take things seriously. the world is just a big game to us now. we have a very anti-intellectual culture
edit: start a book group and read something hard The world has always been non-intellectual. Of course if you compare the intellectual elite of the past to the average person now the past looks rosy. But I doubt the average pub conversation in a working class neighbourhood 100 years ago was very deep either. Yes, I understand, but being an intellectual has lost a lot of its cachet even among the upper classes, compared to previous epochs. The overall tenor of society has become much more contemptuous of literacy in general.
http://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2006/04/study_using_big.php
Where ''normal'' words suffice, use them. Words have their own nuances in language and you should only use a ''big'' word when that particular word conveys the message better than the alternative ''small'' word. Because otherwise you just look like a tool.
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